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No Closing Costs Loan!! Why Don't I pay your Mortgage Payments Too!!!

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Mortgage and Lending with Thomas R. Weiss

Where did this come From??? I just had a Client call me, and she said, I know you worked hard fixing my Credit for me, and I do appreciate it, But I just got a letter from a Lender saying he can give me a No Closing Costs Loan... and thats what I want, I am still Shocked. I am a Highly Refered Mortgage Broker in Palm Beach County Florida, and yet I still have to convince people that this is your Life, and your family's life, Not just a Mortgage on your Home. Do you really want to Gamble?

 

Where in life do we learn that people work for Free, or think you can get something for Free, I remember getting something for Nothing once, and it was worth exactly what I paid for it! So if your Looking for a Mortgage, Try thinking realistically, Your not only wasting your time, and your Realtors, and/or Mortgage Brokers time, but you dancing in unchartered waters. I remember when things got tough, and you could get a $200 T.V. with your Closing, and it only costs you $3000 in Fees, But hey you knew that!! Didn't you?

 

What is a No Closing Cost Loan?  It's when a Lender or a broker offers No costs, as a Leader, yes I said it! Leader, to get you in the door to get your Loan, and when you are offered a No costs loan it is Costing you, sometimes More than if you had Just paid them yourself.

Where does it cost me then? If you are sold on a No cost Loan, then expect for a Fact to be paying it in the Rate, and sometimes even in your new Loan Amount, even with all of the Laws the are supposed to protect the Consumers out there, Companies, and private individuals still come up with a clever way to sell you better than the next Guy.

What Costs are covered in a No cost Loan? Well for one, don't think that you will not have to pay Points, Because you are!! First off, if you get the Zero Fees loan! then you will just be the Victim of a increased Loan amount Covering your Closing Costs, and you will hardly know the difference, because you will think you just got a great deal. Now a true No cost loan is when you will pay for it in your Rate, but there are still charges that you will still be paying up front, but the Very Fine print is too! small and you just can't read it. Expect to pay Per Diem Interest: which is Interest from the day of closing to first of the following Month,and then of course expect to pay your Escrows up front: Taxes and Insurance for your new loan, also you have to pay your insurance up front if it's due for renewal, and any Taxes with the new loan.

What is Closing Costs? and whats Not? If you ever look at your Good Faith Estimate, then you will see the line that says Closing Costs, and another Line that says Prepaids, These two are Different. Closing Costs which is what your trying to save, usually are about $2,500- $3,500 Everything else is Prepaids, those are typically $2,500- $10,000 maybe higher, so no matter what you will be paying Closing Costs, I think you will pay more, in the long Run.

 

So if you want to save Money doing a Loan, call me and I will pay your Mortgage Payments Too!!! Sadly if you believe this, then you are a bad Mortgage Brokers Best Client! Don't Gamble with your Home, and your Family's Home, One mistake is all it takes, and all because you wanted to save a few Bucks.

 

Keep yourself educated, and remember, a great Mortgage Broker will be your Choice forever!!

 

This wasn't meant to answer all of your Questions, but just as an Eye Opener!

 

 

Thomas R. Weiss

tom@provagio.com

Office 561-968-6683

Cellular 561-310-0315

Suzanne Sands
Pavao Real Estate - Somerset, MA
Somerset MA Real Estate

Tom,

You do a great job educating consumers and your honesty is what makes people trust you, they will learn and then they will be back. :)

Oct 01, 2007 07:59 AM
Robert Spaight
Homestar Mortgage - Barrington, RI
I'm with you on this one Tom.  But sadly people believe what they want to hear.  The only thing you can do in these situations is stay in touch with the client as they attempt to get this "no cost" loan.  When they are informed of the higher rate, you can run the numbers and show them the long term difference between paying the closing costs and paying a higher monthly pmt.  They will hopefully realize that it is a wiser financial decision to pay the closing costs.  Some unfortunately never see the light.  Great post.
Oct 01, 2007 09:25 AM
Synergy Real Estate Solutions
Synergy Real Estate Solutions, LLC - Pittsburgh, PA

Truthfully. right now, that is all of the television marketing you see on mortgages. No closing cost loans. Some are in circulation in Pittsburgh from Ditech, Countrywide (no one can do what Countrywide can) I think is their slogan, E-Loan and other lenders that survived the subprime collapse. Obviously, when the borrowers read their disclosures (which they usually don't understand) or take the time to read thoroughly, they'd find that most likely, their program isn't free plus it is not the program that is best for them or their family. Great post!!!

 Jason Sheppard

Oct 01, 2007 09:29 AM
Ted Lyons
www.nosurpriseloans.com - Livonia, MI

I always offer my customers both options - with or without costs and where the break-even point is from a time frame perspective.

I agree that the Countrywide, BoA, Lennox Financial etc ads can be a challenge - but I haven't lost a loan to any of them and don't expect to.  Because my rates without costs are lower than their's are and everyone has understood (so far) the old Milton Friedman line about there being no free lunch.

Oct 01, 2007 09:37 AM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Tom, when a Borrower tells me that someone else is giving them a "no closing cost loan" the first words out of my mouth is, have they given you a Good Faith Estimate.  99% of the time the answer is no.  So the second thing out of my mouth is, have them give you one and I will give you one, and let's compare them side by side. I they refuse to do that, I then ask them what are they going to do when they get to the closing and there are costs that they were not expecting?  I usually do not get an answer to that.

I tell them that every "no closing cost loan" that I have seen usually means that the Lender is claiming that there are no Appraisal Fees, or Application Fees, but that these fees are then incorporated in the rate, or in some other misc. fee. No costs DOES NOT mean no Pre-Paid Interst, No Title Ins., No Homeowners Ins., No Escrowed Taxes, No Attorney Fees, No Recording Fees, and then of course their Misc. Fees.  I tell them that if we put our Good Faiths side by side and we are talking the same rate that the other Lenders bottom line once these costs are taken into consideration, that theirs will be higher than mine. So how then is their "no cost loan" a better deal than my Closing Cost Loan, if it is going to cost them more in the end.  Again I usually do not get an answer, but I get something better, a Borrower.

Great Job Tom in bring this light.  Keep on exposing them for what they are!!! 

Oct 01, 2007 11:13 AM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

Good that you get this out there to remind everyone ...  but just wondering...what did you tell the client...and did the client stay with you too?

Oct 01, 2007 12:20 PM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Tom....  Jason did get you there.....  Money for nothing, but grants for free...   ;o)   But I do know where you are coming from. And the longer that I am in this business, the easier that it is to explain this to people...   there are more examples out there and easier ways to find this out....  just keep your cool when talking to people, educate them, and you will have a client for life....  this does work...  

In any case, this  post is good education for those that might think differently. Unfortunately, they sometimes need to find this out themselves. This is something that I have come to grips with.

jeff belonger

Oct 01, 2007 04:19 PM
Thomas Weiss
Thomas R. Weiss - West Palm Beach, FL

Jason- I know you were Kidding, :0) I was just messing with you, I hope you know that... Good keeping me on my Toes.

Suzanne- Thank you very Much, You really are Great!!!

Rob- I am glad you stopped in, I was only concerened, Because People are falling for it, and if I am being Honest, then I want in Too!!

Jason- Thats just it, Your right, if people read their Disclosures, and understood them as well, then it would be different.

Ted- I am sure in some way there might be a possible benefit, but I only see that if there is Short term in the Eqasion..

George- Thank you, I am trying to just be myself. I don't find it very Comforting, when someone falls for a sales pitch that is obviously Not good for them. I am honest and thats it!! Thank you Geroge :0)

Sally- God Questions, as always, Yes I told the client it was a Sham, and she is still dealing with me.. So Honesty prevails :0)

Jeff- Hey it's great to hear from you, Wow! I was a little worried, if your not around who is going to catch me on my Mistakes.. Jason is pretty good though! I am trying to Educate as you say, because it is needed right now.

Thank you all, this was a great Topic,

 

Tom Weiss

Office 561-968-6683

Oct 02, 2007 01:52 AM
Esko Kiuru
Bethesda, MD

Thomas,

Many consumers don't bother taking the time to educate themselves about some of the basics in the mortgage business. Meaning that they do have to pay for the closing costs somehow. Unfortunately often the originator who has the best spiel will get the loan, not the one with the best deal. Good reminder post. 

Oct 02, 2007 07:07 AM
Thomas Weiss
Thomas R. Weiss - West Palm Beach, FL

Esko- Your right, sadly the uneducated consumer, who knows everything except Mortgages, ends up falling for these Traps..

Thanks for Commenting,

Tom Weiss

Oct 02, 2007 07:09 AM
SHAUN WREN
LICENSE IS NOT PLACED - Lakeland, FL
Tom- I'll take two of those no cost loans. Just kidding. When are people going to learn that nothing in life is free. As long as people think they are getting something for nothing. they will continue to get duped.
Oct 02, 2007 07:30 AM
Thomas Weiss
Thomas R. Weiss - West Palm Beach, FL

Shaun- At least you have a sense of humor!!! if you can tell me how many apples I am holding behind my back, I will give you both of them ;0)

Tom Weiss

Oct 02, 2007 07:36 AM
Matthew Rosov
Amerisave Mortgage Corporation - Laurel, MD
Certified Mortgage Planning Specialist
Thomas - great post!  Of course the American public is at time to dense to realize all of this.  Should send this on to our savvy clients. (though they wouldn't be asking for something for nothing)
Oct 02, 2007 08:28 AM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
Amplify Your Real Estate & Life Dreams!

Tom- What a great post! Sorry it took a while to get to your post, thanks to you for all your referrals I am working with! Keeping my busy and out of trouble :). 

There is nothing free and when it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Wish I had more time to tell some great stories about this subject. But I always tell my clients that they get what they pay for and there are a lot of scams out there. I just wonder how do they think you will pay your bills and feed your kids? I just don't get this entitlement syndrome our country has gotten into.  Katerina

Oct 02, 2007 02:15 PM
Chris Bates
www.ePropertySites.com - Aliso Viejo, CA

I think it is sad that so many people don't consider what an honor it is as Real Estate Professionals to help people.  The hard thing for some to swallow is that helping can mean telling someone

IT IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME FOR YOU TO BUY! 

Oct 02, 2007 03:19 PM
Thomas Weiss
Thomas R. Weiss - West Palm Beach, FL

Matthew- Good idea, Maybe I will send this out to my Clients!!!

Katerina- No worries, You know that.. this applies to Realtors work as well..

Chris- Good Points!!!!! Thanks.

Tom Weiss

Oct 03, 2007 02:07 AM
Lewis Poretz
Apex Home Loans - Annapolis, MD
Business Development Manager

I have never been a fan of junk fees but it sure makes me want to start a new line item            

 

COMMITMENT FEE ________________________$595

 

this has happened too much lately, especially on deals I structured, helped clean up, etc............. 

Oct 03, 2007 03:36 PM
Thomas Weiss
Thomas R. Weiss - West Palm Beach, FL

Lewis- Very Good :0) Isn't that the truth....

Tom Weiss

Oct 04, 2007 02:06 AM
Ron Yarbrough
PrimeLending - Camdenton, MO
Ron Yarbrough

You are correct that there is no such thing as "No Costs" but you are incorrect about having the buyer or seller pay those costs.  I do "No Cost" Purchase and Refinance Loans all the time.  I have built my business on it.  I simply pay the costs out of the premiums (SRP & YSP).  If you are a broker you can simply give a broker credit for the costs.

I may not make as much money on a loan doing this but I retain my client.  As a Mortgage Planner, retention is the most important thing.  I do not have to spend a dime on leads, my phone just rings and rings from referrals.

Ron Yarbrough - Kansas City Mortgage Expert
http://www.RonYarbrough.com

Oct 04, 2007 05:51 AM
Thomas Weiss
Thomas R. Weiss - West Palm Beach, FL

Ronnie- With your Background it's obvious you know the difference, I am glad you stopped in :0)

Tom Weiss

Oct 04, 2007 05:55 AM