Have you ever had one of those days where you can't get a topic out of your head? I'm having one today. I woke up this morning thinking about something to write about and I keep coming up with PUDs. It just seems to me that there must be something a little more interesting that I could write about than this. I mean come on, PUDs. Boooooooring!!!! But I can't get it out of my head. "Yes, I would like the sirloin, medium rare and a PUD." "Hey, PUD how are you?" It's driving me crazy! So I surrender. This post is about PUDs. I got to get it out of my head!

For those who may not know, PUD, stands for Planned Unit Development. My market, Poinciana, Fl., happens to be the second fastest growing PUD in the country second to "The Villages" which is also in Central Florida. A PUD is a planned mixed use community. As an example, Poinciana is a 65,000 acre, self contained mix of residential, commercial, green space, parks, schools, churches and light industrial. It is also very common for PUDs to control the utilities and the roads. It is also normal for there to be a Home owners association with an annual or monthly fee.

One of the major advantages for a developer, is that by forming a PUD, they have more control over growth and can work outside of local zoning laws. They can be more flexible with setbacks and are encouraged to be more creative and imaginative when it comes to land development. PUDs are usually a more desirable place to live since they are built around the residential aspect of the development. The residential side takes precedence over the commercial. Commercial areas are normally set back from the main roads and have parking lots as opposed to street parking. PUDs generally have more open spaces and recreational areas than a town or city would have.

A PUD has one developer. This is not to be confused with a Master Planned Community that usually has more than one developer. Poinciana was developed in the early 70s by a company named General Development Corporation. The oldest homes were built in 1973. These were mainly retirement homes and were built around an 18 hole golf course. Back then the only commercial buildings were a farm store, a Real Estate Company and a hardware store. Back in the early days even though there were only several hundred homes, all of the infrastructure was already in place. There were miles and miles of paved roads with no homes in sight. I think there was an incentive, from the 2 counties involved (Polk, Osceola), for the developer to maintain roads even though they weren't being used. Also, in the mid 70s they started selling off lots to individuals. They sold thousands of these at prices from $10,000 to $15,000 mostly to folks out of State. Residential development came to a standstill in the late 70s and Poinciana became a sleeping Giant. I believe it was in the late 80s that General Development Corporation went bankrupt and got into all kinds of legal problems related to land scams in Florida (Poinciana, Sarasota, Cape Coral, Lehigh Acres). Avatar, the current developer of Poinciana, came out of this bankruptcy.

When I started selling Real Estate in Poinciana, in 1993, the population was roughly 7,000 people. During this period there were several mom and pop builders that started building homes in Poinciana. It was easy. They would build a model home and if someone bought a house they would then purchase a lot from a private owner to build the house on. It was a great deal for a small builder because the infrastructure was already in and they only had to buy a lot if the house was already sold. They could buy lots for as low as $3,000. You could buy a pretty decent 1500 sq ft home for about $70,000 on a 70x100 lot. Since Poinciana was considered rural, the 100% financing USDA "Farmer's Home" loan was the mortgage product of choice in the 90's. So we had a little bit of a boom period. By the year 2000 Poinciana had grown to 16,000 people. During this period we also got a Winn Dixie supermarket and a Burger King. Woohoo!! We are booming now!

Also, about this time, Avatar decided to seriously get into building homes. They got very aggressive and started building a little more upscale homes in several walled communities through out Poinciana. Poinciana was taking off. It was during the period starting in about 2001 until the present that Poinciana became the second fastest growing PUD in the country. Today, we have over 63,000 people and many restaurants, banks, 2 supermarkets, a Super Wal-mart and about 50-60 other small businesses. We also have Solivita a world class active adult community with 2 championship golf courses. Lots now sell for $50,000 to $80,000. Houses can be bought for $170,000 up to about $400,000. There are currently about 1,000 houses under construction and 1,600 homes for sale in the MLS. And most excitingly for me, we still have room for about 180,000 more people.

Folks, being the number 1 listing agent, in the second fastest growing PUD in the Country, that is just now starting to take off, is a pretty good position to be in. I love my job.

So that's it. Broker Bryant's crash course on PUDs and a little historical synopsis of Poinciana, Fl. Man, I'm glad to get that out of my head. You can wake up now, I'm done.

 

44 Comments on I've got to get this out of my head!!

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"The Lovely Wife Here"

Boy am glad you got this out of your head!

I am really tired of hearing about it ya' know. :0)

I liked your post hunnee. Can I wake up now too?

TLW "The Lovely Wife"...Oh. It Was Just A Dream Had Me Worried There...ROAR!

6:19pm • #1
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Had to get this on here. I've never been able to post a comment on your post until like a gazillion people have already beat me to the punch. I haven't even read the thing yet!
6:20pm • #2
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I'm still awake.  PUDS are not available here so I found it interesting.  What are the annual/monthly fees like and what specifically do they pay for?
6:20pm • #3
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Out here in Washington, a PUD is a Public Utility District. Sounds like you're in the right place at the right time!
6:24pm • #4
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Linda, the fees in Poinciana are $229 per year. They are basically used for the maintaining of parks and recreation areas, of which there are many. We also have our own security force. Poinciana is a very clean well kept community.  
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ah oh Rich - I see a hijack coming.
6:30pm • #6
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PUD, Planned Unit Development. The nice thing about PUDs is that you get to use a diverse group of zoning classifications without the headache of individually applying for approval.
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Bryant, I hope you took some pills for that : - )    Call me a nut, but I perked right up when you used the PUD word....then again this post was 450 times more interesting than mine on Eminent Domain...I'm sure people are awake!

Haven't even thought about PUDs since I moved out of Rockville Maryland and spent way too much time listening to and working with the City Planning Commission. I'm going to go google it now, but was Reston Virginia, James Rouse's first 'foot in' planned communities, was that a PUD or a Master Planned ....hmmm I will have to go look.  Want desperately to call him the Father of PUD  :-)

7:17pm • #8
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Do you sell just in Poinciana? Or do you venture beyond? Our market up here is comprised of several towns...basically in southern NH and we usully will travel up to 30 to 45 minutes in either direction to show homes. In our local board of REALTORS we have roughly 1,000 agents servicing our market area...just curious how many agents work in your market/board?  Fascinating reading! Oh Yeah when I saw what your topic was about...I went what PUDs he is out if his mind...but I kept reading!

7:20pm • #9
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OK, now you have piqued my interest, thanks a lot, I will be reading a lot more. But no, PUDs existed a long time before Rouse got going; he is however the father of the enclosed shopping mall. . 
7:30pm • #10
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Hi Carole, happy it didn't put you to sleep. I feel asleep twice just writing it. But I don't remember ever reading about PUDs on AR so thought the topic had possibilities.

Monika, I only work in Poinciana. I think 65,000 people encompassing 2 counties is enough. It actually takes about 30 minutes to go from one side to the other. We have hundreds of Realtors that work Poinciana. But very few that are based in Poinciana. Just to give you an idea, I am the top Lister(and sold listings), by a pretty good margin, and have been for years. However my market share is less than 3%. But I'm comparing myself to individual Realtors not companies. Obviously I can't compete, numbers wise, with a company that has over a 100 Realtors. But I don't think any company has as much as 10% market share.

7:36pm • #11
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I've had 2 clients in the last year move to The Villages.  I just thought it was a master planned community.  The Villages seems to appeal to retirees from Michigan (and other northern climes, I presume).  Is Poinciana mostly retirees?
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We have a wonderful planned community by Rouse in Maryland.  Columbia offers everything anyone could want in a community.    http://www.real-estate-columbia.com/

I love PUDs.  Much better value than unmanaged construction.  The economy of scale has provided some wonderful suburban homes for families in my area.

 

 

7:38pm • #13
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Maureen, The Villages is one of the largest retirement communities in the World. Much larger than Poinciana. Poinciana used to be mostly retirees but now is more first time homebuyers and families. 50% Hispanic with 50% of the population under 18.
7:41pm • #14
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The best way to get something out of your head is to not allow it access in the first place!  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!
7:42pm • #15
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Lenn I agree with you on PUDs. Poinciana is very well planned and really built around residential. Parks and rec areas everywhere. And it's all affordable housing. Larger lots as well. Minimum lot size is 70x100.
7:44pm • #16
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Bryant.... great post. I think PUDs are boring.... at least a boring topic. You have such a way with making something so bleak, sound like the tropical islands. Okay, well, not the islands, but better than just an average trip into the city.

In either case... I need to print this out for some of my loan officers. I can't tell you how many don't know the difference between this, condos, and townhouses. Good job...  I am awake. Gee... I haven't even left AR for half of the day. Outta here...

7:58pm • #17
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Interesting to hear what PUD's are like in the big world. Here in Honolulu, I think of them as being five to ten acre townhouse developments. The developer uses the PUD to build units in clusters and allow for more grassy areas, thus not having to build to normal set back rules and so on. Usually the homes are attached or zero lot line structures. 

I also have a rental unit in Houston and for that property the PUD is one of the many annual taxes as mentioned by Rich Jacobson.

7:59pm • #18
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Bryant, In my area we have a mixture of PUD's and PRD's (Planned Residential Developements) most were PRD's and they were built in the late 70's and early 80's, but they did not contain the commercial element to them. Most of the lots are 5000 sq. ft. lota with a lot of green space. Only one of the PRD's was really developed in the mannor the PRD's were meant to. As a result there have been very few developed since then. Happy to see that they did a much better job with them where you are, if the same had happened here, maybe we would of had more as well.
8:11pm • #19

Your blogs are great! I'm still a rookie blogger getting my toes wet...

In Vancouver, BC, Canada, we have some similar style developments going on http://www.parklane.com/communities/ but they seem quite different than a pud or mpc. Actually, probably closer to an mpc.

I look forward to reading your future blogs.

Ryan

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65,000 in your market area is alot. My county is  277,359-/+ but I don't work the entire county...too big.  Southern NH is a highly populated area becasue it is so close to Massachuesttes. Great topic.

 

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Lenn: Thank you, Columbia is what I was thinking of, not Reston. Columbia is a magnificent example. When you look up PUDs, they mention that even Levittown, NY is a PUD.  That surprised me, but then I always thought it as just a residential community. Apparently I was wrong.PUDs offer so much value to even smaller scale places thus the areas Michael is referring to. I love Cleveland, but PUDs seem to be beyond most of the development creative bubble here, which is too bad.  Bryant, this is an EXCITING topic!  Still, I hope you took that pill.
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I'm w/ Jeff... How did you succeed in making PUD's so interesting?! I actually read more than just the bold words! (hee! hee! j/k!)

We have tons o' PUD's in Colorado Springs,as well as tons o' MPC's There are a lot of benefits to them- esp. w/ some zoning issues.

What we do not have is really ANY retirement communities. I guess when it is time to retire, no one wants to live in the mountains with little to no oxygen and a lot of snow!!

Great post! ...again! 

9:31pm • #23
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Mariana..... what are MPC's?  SOunds like a military weapon.... lol  Like, RPG's.... rocket propelled grenades. 

9:33pm • #24
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zzzzzzzzzz.... whoooo - now there is a topic PUD's!!!

What could be more exciting?!!! No one could possibly make that exciting, unless of course your the masterful blogger Broker Bryant. Thanks for the post and history of Poinciana. Sounds ike a cool place, so I decided to Google Earth it!

Poinciana, FL

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MPC is a Master Planned Community, not a Military Prison Camp... lol!
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Carl - that Google shot of Poinciana is old and only a small portion of the entire area.  I lived there from 1995-2000.  I have always been amazed by driving around the area, seeing paved street after paved street, ending in cul-de-sacs or loops, with no house in sight! 

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I bet your head feels so much better now. Love the picture! Well written as usual! I bet your clients left you alone after that great letter you wrote. How was your weekend?

www.HomeRome.com

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1:34am • #28
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Good Post Byrant!  In 1995 you could still buy a NEW home in Poinciana for 50K. Gee that sounds like "Affordable Housing" doesn't it?  You are on MY must read list as well-LOL Now if I can just get that stupid Solivita jingle out of my head.... Aaaaarg!

 

5:20am • #29
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We have some PUDs in St. Pete but generally they don't include commercial - but then they're MUCH smaller PUDs.

In Tampa many of the PUDs have CDDs (there's another post for you, Bryant - talk about Community Development Districts). This is where the developer borrows for the infrastructure and then the buyers pay over the next 30 years or so - it's added to their tax bill. Is Poinciana a CDD, or was it developed before the developers starting shifting costs? 

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Thanks for all the comments everyone.

Carl the satellite photo is showing the front part of poinciana. 2 Villages out of 10. Does give you an idea of how large Poinciana is. Thanks for posting it.

Margaret, I had an awesome Holiday. I had a couple of sellers call with "emergencies" meaning they needed to ask me a question. But other than that it was very quite.

Sharon, no CDD in Poinciana. Maybe I'll have to study up and see what I can come up with. 

Allison I don't know the Solivita jingle, thank goodness. My head is singing " I can't get you out of my head"

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Candi, fortunately I don't live in Poinciana. Way to crowded for me. I live in a very small town about 15 minutes from Poinciana. Most of the stats I used came out of my head. I know my market inside out. You can Google a town and it will usually have a link to a demographic site for that particular area. The only problem is they are usually uot dated.
8:06am • #32
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Bryant,

Excellent post on PUD's and Poinciana background. The scary part is room for 180,000 more people. Imagine a community of 250,000 +/- people and it not being an Incorporated Municipality. The underlying problem with all this is the infrastructure, being a definite lack thereof. We need a few more ways to get into and out of "Dodge." The solutions are difficult and definitely behind the power curve.  But what else is new, that is somewhat a norm throughout Florida.  Build and they will come. Oops, we need a road network....after they get here.

Bryant, could you possibly envision a time when we would ever transition to an Incorporated Municipality?  I wonder if that has ever happened, anywhere?

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Actually I've always been a bit fascinated by PUD's.  I envision them as the Disney Land of residential living. We need something like that here.  We have a definate lack of senior housing (and more than our fair share of need).
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Shall we even discuss Harmony another PUD-which just now is asking for a 4 year extention to (2029) to finish its 11,300 acre community!
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You know what they say -

the proof is in the PUDding! 

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great post. oh wait, we aren't allowed to make those comments anymore ;). way to make the ordinary to be interesting. isn't that like a talent, or something. >nudge<

the picture is fantastic. I was looking at your photo and then the pic, back and forth. I think you would really look like that if your heading was actually blowing up!. I kid you. i kid you. i know you would never get that crazy. back to topic,.. PUDs. ah yess.. like the smell of the dew in the morning. I love em because once you get the stats and the floorplans measured, you can pop em out like hotcakes (for appraisal work that is). They remind me of Edward Scissor Hands' neighborhood.
Good links by the way. I took a quick look-see to read up. I really see the work into it. so get me that step ladder so you get another pat on the back.a little star for a good post..
We have a mix of different zoning around here (10 mile radius). We have PUD,  condos (thats an understatement), apartments, 1-5 acre homesites and that little thing called the everglades.

 

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We do have PUDs here in the Greater Asheville area...sometimes they also may be referred to as "mixed -use"  or "affordable housing" developments. There ahs been some controversy over PUDs. I will be interested to see how they progress in your area, Bryant. 

edited...and PS..ePUDs..now that is a notion that intrigues me...look for an article on ePUDs 'cause now I can't get this out of my head ;-)

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Over half of my business here on Oahu is in Planned Communities; I like them.

I have had friends ask why would you want to live in a place that won't let you park a boat in your driveway or paint your home any color you want.  I respond because they won't let my neighbor.

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Don't know about PUDs, but I know graphics. Gotta love the exploding head.

Jay Merton 

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I remember when my hometown of Waupaca, WI got it's first stoplight and it's first fast food restaurant (Taco John's - I think the went BK long ago...that's bankrupt folks, not that they became Burger Kings!).  We're up to 5 there I think now (stoplights that is, there are probably more fast food joints than that).  Not the same boom you have had.  Waupaca is up from about 4,000 people to over 6,000, or darn close to that anyway.  Only one PUD though, and that (a golf course community) went BK, too, after being mostly built.  Someone bought it cheap at auction, maybe it was Avatar and Waupaca is in for a boom?!
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Polk County? Wow. My grandmother and a lot of family live in the area (around Haines City).

Anyhow, thanks for the great update on PUDs - there are a few of them that appear to have popped up in the Columbus area. Though, I'm sure they are "true" PUDs or more the developers working together on a commercial site that adjoins a housing development.

Thanks for another great post!

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Hey Toby, I live in  Dundee. 10 miles south of Haines City.
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Thanks, Bryant...I caught the PUD-bugg... and gave credit where credit is due..to you...PUDs & E-PUDS! The Trend Toward Mixed-Use Development
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