Townhouse/Condo living can be great easy living for homeowners that want a low maintenance courtyard and maintenance fees that take care of the bulk of insurance/repairs for the common elements of the structure, water, sewer, trash and parking. (at least this is in my Association and others may include electricity)

For me (in my mid years) it was good to downsize and not have the added stress of yardwork and a big house to maintain. I also love the peace and quiet in our community.

 

Just remember that if you have someone above or below you and you incur a bathroom (or any location i.e. kitchen, laundry etc) leak to be sure to:

  • Call the resident manager and your maintenance company immediately to inform them of the situation, especially if you have a unit above you and you don't know where it's coming from.
  • Call a LICENSED plumber IMMEDIATELY so you can eliminate the possibilities of where the leak is coming from and remedy the situation. If it is from your unit you certainly do not want the water leak going into other units because YOU will be responsible. If you are not the cause your resident manager and maintenance company will start the process of elimation by contacting all unit owners around you.
  • Do not let it go on and on because you are subjecting your home to severe damage and it becomes a health hazard when mildew and mold start occuring.
  • Make sure you have condo/townhouse insurance (it's minimal cost per year and will cover damage to others units and if it's your unit it may cover water damage to carpet walls and other damaged parts of the home that do not fall under the Association insurance for the inside your unit.
  • Make sure you don't accuse your neighbors to their face until you really find out who the culprit is. (I kept accusing them to my husband. I'm so glad I was pleasant to the neighbors....whew.)

The following is my own personal experience so please take heed because it could happen to anyone! With my assumptions I not only made a fool of myself but those assumptions also proved me WRONG! Two weeks ago I was sitting on my toilet and in front of me on the bottom of the baseboard I noticed a really tiny puddle of water. I sopped it up and it went away until a few days later I saw it again. I pulled the baseboard up and lo and behold it was wet and I ran into my room and felt the carpet next to the wall that backs the bathroom and lo and behold it was wet too!

I immediately assumed it was the unit above us because I heard the toddler in the bathroom and getting out and running around. In any event the following is what transpired:

  •  Called the Association and the Resident Manager who in turn contacted the owner (there is a tenant above us). The owner showed up an hour later and told us that the tenants had a stopped drain and had rootered in the overflow pipe. Geez. That's what it is!
  • The owner came that evening and assured us he fixed the overflow and we should not be receiving any more trouble.
  • We decided to call the plumber when we discovered the puddle in the closet getting bigger because we could not figure out why or where it was coming from.
  • Plumber came and cut two holes in our closet (picture to right is in between the two walls from my closet to the bathroom) and exposed the bathtub area. GIANT puddle, some mildew and starting of mold in a couple of spots. Great. He said the leak was coming from upstairs and we even asked the tenant if the plumber could look. The overflow was NOT changed and couldn't have been changed because they would have had to cut through our ceiling to do it. The tenant told the plumber the landlord (owner) caulked it and that was it.
  • Leaking continues although we start monitoring during the night and next morning only to find out it was US! No one home upstairs and my husband jumped in the shower with me in the closet shining the mag light into the holes. Yup. It was us.
  • Called the plumber in the morning when we did the "experiment" again and it leaked...with no one home upstairs (they're at work) He came yesterday afternoon and I informed him that the tub faucet started leaking, I found a crack on the bottom of the cheap fiberglass tub this townhouse came with and through the hole in the closet saw that the back side of the tub's frame wasn't even on the floor.

 So, the plumber replaced the mixer valve and basically told us we need a new bathtub and until someone comes in we can get waterproof tape to hold out the water. So after he left my husband went and got heavy duty waterproof tape and "crazy glue" and glued and taped the crack and a couple of fractures. We took showers and though it's not leaking from the bottom of the tub...there is STILL a leak only when running the shower. (the plumber said it was dry back there).

Bottom line. I have someone coming this afternoon to give me an estimate on the tub replacement and when they rip it out we'll surely find that other leak that is finding it's way to the backside of the wall of the tub and dripping down the beam...that is getting soaked and dried...soaked and dried. I'm living with two holes in my closet that I need to keep open so I can keep drying it out under there and keep an eye on things. (I have since been wiping down the inside with clorox cleaner and spraying Lysol...and will call someone in to do it the correct way before the walls are sealed again)

I think I'll remodel my whole bathroom at this point with a nice heavy duty tub and solid surface walls, and new floors, toilet and cabinets and.....and....    my husband isn't laughing at me anymore for "assuming" it was the neighbors. lol!

How much did you say?

 

 

 

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32 Comments on Condo/Townhouse Living in Hawaii..........and A Water Leak

OCT
04
2007
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Boy what a pain in the a_ _ ! but you're right it would have been awful if you had jumped all over the neighbors! Words, unfortunately, can't be unsaid.

Good you spoted it whe you did...could have been a major Yuck!!

6:31pm • #1
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Sally.. I live in a small condo complex and fortunately we are all good about taking responsibility for problems.. but it can be a real mess if an owner lets item go
6:32pm • #2
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Hi Sally - wow, what a mess and what a pain, too!  But the good news is you've found out what it is and are taking steps to fix it all.  And you get a BRAND NEW bathroom out of it, too! 

Ann

6:39pm • #3
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Woo Hoo Sally...

So much for assumptions. LOL.

Hey. Look at the way I would...You get a whole new bathroom :)

TLW...ROAR!

6:42pm • #4
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Joan:  It still is a major yuk...but will be nice pleasant bathroom with a wonderful stable bathtub....whoever came up with these cheapy things is off their rocker.....especially when my husband gained almost 50lbs. and I gained almost 20lbs. 

Kaye:  Fortunately, the owner for the unit upstairs was good about it...at one point he told us to hire a plumber to change out the overflow and pipe (would have been 6-700 dollar job) and we told him to hold off because we have a plumber coming. 

Ann:  Yes!  Brand new bathroom...see what Gary gets for laughing at me :)

TLW:  I remember that story you wrote....assumptions. Ass u me ...oops the spaces got in between. Anyway, I really wanted a new bathtub...I hated that thin thing. I just knew one day it was going to give out.

6:46pm • #5
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Goodness Sally.  What a mess.  But, the good news is, it's a perfect time to remodel the bathroom. 
6:59pm • #6
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Gee Sally, what an adventure you've been having...the kind of adventure you'd prefer not to have.

The mold picture is pretty gruesome.....

Jo 

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Lenn: Oh...the perfect time....blogging (a must) in between calling for appointments (some of these bath remodeling places think I want to spend 20k on a itty bitty bathroom) Fun.

Jo: Yeah...and to think...this is MY house!!!!!  I hate it...I hate it....I'll have a new bathroom soon....

7:12pm • #8
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Hi Sally,

What a mess, sorry you have to deal with this. But there is a light at the end of the tunnel...speaking of lights they have some really nice fixtures at Lowes!!! :)

7:23pm • #9
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Suzanne:  I'm going to Home Depot and Lowe's on Saturday ....going to get the whole thing done already....got two bath remodelers coming for estimates....

 

7:42pm • #10
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Sally- That's terrible for you.  I have a funny condo/water story.  I had a friend, who lived in a condo on the 2nd floor.  There was a condo under him and then an underground garage.  My friend was running water in his tub, when his doorbell rang, and it was a friend who wanted to take him out.  So he left.  Hours later, he returned home to find that there was water pouring down through the garage.  It wasn't raining outside, so where was the water coming from?  You guessed it, he left the water running.  Needless to say, there were a lot of people upset with him, including the insurance company!
9:31pm • #11
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Sally, looks like you have a little mess on your hands.  Water leaks can be tough to find sometime, and the damage that they can cause until you find them can be pretty high.

On another note did you ever consider that it might not have been the neighbors toddler that had created the water problem, but that you might have missed the toilet ...... LOL 

9:46pm • #12
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Great information Sally! I can relate to the whole yardwork thing right now...my lawnmower has quit. blah. :)
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Roberta: One estimator just left...I really need to get this done. And wow...left the water on....wonder how come the people under him didn't get the water shut off!

George: I  just want to hurry and find it instead of crawling in the hole to sop stuff up. I have a little plastic bowl right now catching the majority of it.  Funny but hey...it did cross my mind....not me but the hubby hahaha.

Pamela: I tell you what...I wouldn't mind mowing the lawn right now if the leak would go away!

10:20pm • #14
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Sally, Believe me I can sympathize!  My initial leak I thought was handled correctly by calling a plumber and a water damage company and everyone who came kept telling me I didn't have mold.  Thank goodness I put off having it redone as of course it showed up.  I, too, have decided to redo the whole bathroom (Lowe's was nicer then Home Depot :).  Good luck and I'm so glad you found it and corrected it!
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Carole: Oh...I think Saturday is excursion day.
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It is never a good time to have to remodel. It is likely to be a real pain and inconvenient as best. Wouldn't it be nice if the days of the old cast-iron tub, toilets that flush with one push of the handle and walls made of lath and plaster instead of paper could be resurrected? When my neighbors place flooded, it has taken 3 full months in restoration and it still isn't finished. I empathize !

11:06pm • #17
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Sally-

My my....yes it's good you were nice to the neighbors :)  I can just picture you now..."no honey, don't tape it yet, I need a picture for my Blog, hold the flashlight...no over there, yea get the mold....good blog photo." :) :)Soon......it'll all be done soon.

11:20pm • #18
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Sally-In my story above, the reason the people under him did not get the water shut off, they weren't home!  It did get shut off after it started going into the garage.
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Sally- How funny that you should post that today. We just had an issue like this in a condo we just put an offer in on for a buyer! 

Well, for your health please borrow an air purifier from someone until you get it fixed. I have an Ecoquest Air Purifier and it will kill the the mold spores as soon as they are airborn. Please make sure that you open your doors and windows before applying Clorox. It is one of the most deadly poisons there is and you should never ever breathe it into your lungs.

To get rid of mold you can use straight vinegar and hot water and let it soak. Also, lemon juice works good on getting rid of mold.

Great info about responsibilities in condo ownership. Katerina

11:33pm • #20
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05
2007
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Oh what a pain - but at least you know and it is being fixed - great tips for those in similar positions
2:34am • #21
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I see mold every day...wel almost every day...mabye it will be a good thread for me to write about. :)
6:41am • #22
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Sally,

That looks awful, I am sorry for that. I know that it is not an easy Fix!! Good points, but the longer waited the worst it gets!!

Tom Weiss

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Sally--I feel for you....Our tile was incorrectly installed during construction as well as no proper overflow drains. We had about 2-3 years of figuring where the leak was coming from in our two-story home. No neighbors to blame but still a mess...Enjoy your new bathroom when complete! :)
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William: It's a good time when things are looking damaged...that's all I know...gotta fix before it turns into a gutted unit.

Kathy: Funny....he wouldn't dare help with this....I had my flashlight propped...mirror to get the angle for my camera....and voila!

Roberta:  Oh, goodness!  Better late than later..ugh.

Katerina: Thanks for the tips...I will do that!

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Thesa: Thanks....need to warn people like me...lol!

Neal:  Will look forward to that!

Tom:  I need this done quick....

Teri:  I sure will....it'll be a two day job...good thing it's only around the bathtub area....and caught and opened in time.

11:57am • #26
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06
2007
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What a great post - loved the title all the way through.  
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Thanks for dropping by Cyndee...I'll be happy when it's over.
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A heavy duty tub?  I see those old GORGEOUS claw foot tubs thrown in front yards for sale every weekend here- how about THAT for a cool tub!
8:08pm • #29
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Laurie: They sell those here for 2500k!  I'm talking more heavy duty than the cheap fiberglass one that our unit came with.....we should have changed out a long time ago...like before we moved in.
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08
2007
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Always enjoy your posts. Thanks for sharing.
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Bob/Carolin: Thanks for coming by to comment.

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