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When The Ants Come Marching

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Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

Ledger board diagramIn my post yesterday I had a picture of an unsafe deck railing. The railings were the tip of the proverbial iceberg as far as deficiencies with this particular deck. A much more common issue I find is with the ledger board attachment and flashing.

The ledger board is where the deck attaches to the home. It is one of the critical anchoring points of the deck structure. The ledger board and home should be protected with two pieces of flashing as shown. The board should be anchored to the home with lag or through bolts, not nails!

A very important choice which must be made with regard to the flashing is what type. Aluminum can no longer be used with pressure treated wood due to the newer preservative formulations. These new formulations contain a high amount of copper which reacts with the aluminum, degrading it fairly quickly. Copper is the best choice for ledger flashings.

Decayed ledger boardThe ledger on the home I was inspecting had never been flashed. It also appeared it was not pressure treated wood. One section was clearly decaying. The homeowner, either himself or a hired contractor, had attempted to fix the degrading ledger by attaching a new board under the old one. Notice the absence of bolts in any of the boards. I was quite surprised the snows in January hadn't taken this deck down.

As I mentioned the flashing also protects the home from water infiltration. Every time it rains water will seep between the ledger and the home. Without flashing a wood on wood seam is going to decay.

And who loves wet decaying wood?

carpenter antCarpenter ants.

The ceiling on the opposite side of the deck ledger was finished with wooden panels. The panels could be shifted, but not easily moved because radiant heaters were installed on top of them. The panels that were near the ledger were seeping frass. Frass is basically saw dust created by carpenter ants mining tunnels in the wood. When a panel was slightly raised, the frass came raining out of the opening.Frass seeping through wood panels in ceiling

The frass indicated ants were present, which indicates moisture and decay to the unobservable wood structure of the home.

This area was carpenter ant heaven. As I said there were radiant heaters in the ceiling, moist wood and insulation. Everything an ant desires, food, water and a comfy home.

And so the ants came marching.

 

 

James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
2010 - 2011 SNEC-ASHI President
NRSB #8SS0022
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
Former SNEC-ASHI President
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Mr James,

I hope that you confirmed that those bugs did not have a notch on their thoracic dorsums. I is hoping that you did that.

Nutsy

Apr 26, 2011 03:30 AM
Margie Kopp Sorrell
Coldwell Banker Lake Oconee Realty and Lake Country - Greensboro, GA
Lake Oconee Real Estate

James-

the pest control company in my area comes up wtih the catchiest slogans to advertise their business and your post made me think of them. "If they're crawlin', you best be callin'" is one and back in the day when that guy went on American Idol and sang that silly pants on the ground song they came up with t-shirts that said "Ants on the ground, Ants on the ground, lookin' like a fool, when you step on a mound!" Not really informative but silly info to share nonetheless.

Apr 26, 2011 04:17 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jim,

Good post. Always comes back to how moisture can enter the home. From there all the little buddies show up.

Apr 26, 2011 05:15 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Some foods you'll eat raw, but what you really want is a cooked dinner. Ants are no different. For them wet wood tending to rot is a 'cooked dinner' and they can smell when supper's ready.

Apr 26, 2011 06:21 AM
Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

Carpenter ants.  Not much better than that.

Apr 26, 2011 09:05 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

If I see deck flashing on 10% of decks I would be surprised.  And your link to the carpenter ants is great!  One thing leads to another!

Apr 26, 2011 02:16 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Copper, huh.  Sounds expensive.  I've never seen it.

Apr 26, 2011 02:53 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

What I see more often than not (and I hardly ever see deck flashing!) is galvanized.

Apr 27, 2011 12:28 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Nutsy, I do not examine the bugs, that's the exterminators job.

Margie, Like that first slogan, catchy.

Don, Yep. Add some water and you have unwanted friends.

Robert, Wet wood is easier to mine, so why would they want to work harder chewing through dry wood.

Jeremy, This was not too good.

Jay, I would say around here I see flashing on about half the decks. It must be a value added option ;)

Reuben, Really!? Because the wood formulation was changed a few years ago, aluminum can no longer be used. If I see it on a newer deck, I write it up. The same goes for fasteners and hangers. Check this out http://www.ufpi.com/product/ptlumber/fasteners.htm

Jay, That's okay, but copper is much better.

Apr 27, 2011 12:41 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

If you use a 'blue skin' type membrane (an ice and water shield type self adhesive membrane) between the wood and the flashing it won't matter if aluminium is used.

Apr 27, 2011 02:23 AM
Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

I'm in with Reuben, never seen or heard of copper flashing in regular use.  There are no suppliers around here with that on their shelves.

And Robert mentioned the type of product that we've used in that application:  a vinyl adhesive flashing (similar to what they listed with Alum-A-Pole makes) that I've seen going up on new decks around here.

But no copper that I've seen anywhere yet, as I'd bet it's cost prohibitive.

Apr 27, 2011 04:16 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

I know about the change in preservatives and what it will do to aluminum, but 'round here they use painted galvanized steel.  The photo below comes from one of the labels on the product. It's been working well around here for the last eight years.

 

Apr 28, 2011 12:06 AM
Peter Schattenfield
Turning Point Estate Services LLC - Wilton, CT
Estate Dissolution and Preparation (203)388-8092 CT.

James, I worked on a waterfront home in Milford, CT., that had roll down hurricane shutters inproperly installed above each window. With no proper barrier between the home and systen, the moistuer and rot destroyed the headers. They were filled woth huge colonies of carpenter ants. Ther was an ammendment to our proposal after that discovery.

Apr 28, 2011 12:40 AM
Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

Reuben, I'll have to keep my eyes out for the painted galv. steel.  That seems to be the best solution at an affordable cost.

Apr 28, 2011 05:18 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Robert, I would disagree, unless the membrane completely isolates the aluminum from the wood. Even then there will be run off which will over time degrade the aluminum. As advised by the wood manufactures, do no9t use aluminum.

Jeremy, Just goes to show the regional differences. I see copper flashings on newer decks fairly often.

Reuben, Galvinized steel is one of the products that is said to be okay to use with the newer PT wood.

Peter, Sounds like a home I was at in Milford recently except with out the ants.

Apr 29, 2011 01:06 AM