What is a stated loan designed for? It was intended for a self employed borrower that didn't claim all of his income. For example Bob Jones opens a new store. The first few years he barely pays himself a salary. By the 4th or 5th year,hes has established a well known store and business is great. He still take a modest salary, his perception is that he should leave as much money in the company so that he is able to pay cash for stock and upgrades to the store without extending any credit that is not necessary. I forgot to add that Bob always pays his bills on time or ahead of time.

Bob has a great credit score,money in his business that is his that he can use as he see fit. But he has only paid taxes on a small salary.  Investors offered the Stated program because realistically Bob could and may be making double the salary that he made over the last 2 years. So,they took that into consideration and said ."Since you have such a good credit score and we see you have owned the business for more than 2 years,we are willing to take the risk and loan the money to you on stating a reasonable salary.

Next scenario 

Now this is not how this was supposed to work. But was overlooked and helped push the industry over the edge.

Hourly employee- ratios are too high-has good credit. (lets state his income higher) Gee Whizz. Did you see that, When I increased his income- the ratios went down. I think I can get an approval with that.

The problem with this 2nd scenario is that the buyer still has the same bills that put him over the ratios, when you add the higher payment that he doesn't really qualify for. His ratios are really worse. (Less money available to pay his bills.)

Now there are other scenarios. But this puts this program into perspective.

 

5 Comments on Stated loans - Did you stretch the truth?

OCT
05
2007
You are absolutely right on point with this point Shaun. Shouldn't there be more requirements for stated income to make sure it only applies to whom it should apply. Thanks!
12:52pm • #1

Shaun, as you know and I am sure you practice, the client has to state the income with out any prodding or suggestion from the loan LO or MB.

When the client states a bogus income, the UW department of the lender should be turning over all form and matter of rocks to make sure that the income stated is within reason.

I know they use certain websites for the general numbers but I believe it would be good to totally eliminate the W-2 borrower from qualifying for a stated loan.  It's only a 24 - 48 hour process now to get the IRS information from certain outlets and that would save a lot of the headaches we are hearing about int he news these days.

12:58pm • #2
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A subprime borrower is NOT just a borrower with not so perfect credit including but not limited to: repossession, bankruptcy, and tax-leins.  Subprime borrowers are any borrowers (even a borrower with a 850 credit score) that a loan is extended to where the loan cannot be sold in the primary secondary market.  It is not just restricted to personal credit conditions.  If you have a 760 FICO and are extended a loan where you qualifications rations are outside of Fannie Mae guideline, you have a subprime loan.  If your credit score is 800 and you prefer to state your income instead of prove your income you have a subprime loan.

The purpose of a prepayment penalty on a loan is to guarantee the lender a stable rate of return.  If I make a loan and rates fall significantly as a mortgage you would likely consider refinancing your loan.  When you refinance without a prepayment penalty as the lender my rate of return had decreased.  To maintain and ensure myself a return consistent with my ROI, I add a prepayment penalty as interest in the rears to lock in my return.

In financial terms a subprime loan is a junk loan.  Remember, Michael Robert Milken, the Junk bond financier back in the 1980's.  He laid the cornerstone for subprime loans that exist today.  You can't with integrity call a loan on a homeowner's castle a junk loan, but in essence it is the same thing.  A loan issued for high yield that is below investment grade at time of purchase in the primary-secondary market.  We've altered the language to not infuriate homeowners with the disrespect that the loan denotes and call them subprime.

A junk bond is a junk bond is a junk bond by any name you call it, even if you call it subprime.  A loan made below investment standards and sold to investors on Wall Street.  Lenders who originated subprime loans have not loss money yet or unless...  I'll detail the fact behind that statement in a later blog or posting to this comment.

 

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1:34pm • #3
OCT
15
2007
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Shaun, Great way of laying it out like you did.  I had one client who was ready to close with another lender and called me to shop her loan before she closed.  Her REAL DTI was 97% I told her I am sorry that I cannot approve her and she told me that her other lender did and it was ok because she did not have to prove her income. I took a pass on the loan and she closed with the other lender.  I am sure she is a stat now on the foreclosure problem in South Florida.

5:59am • #4

Matt- What I think is crazy is that the people that put these people in loans either think they are helping the customer or just don't care.

7:06am • #5

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