Glenn Beck, The Birthers, and Now Osama: It's Been a Great Week!

This post is so pathetic I had to leave a comment. 

What's that saying? No fool like an educated fool? Don't let commons sense, or the truth get in your way when your trying to spin something. 

You say you haven't posted "opinions", that everything is a Fact, and cannot be disputed.  Well, let's just take the "invaded the wrong country" one.  If Afghanistan was the "WRONG COUNTRY" why did Obama say it was a "just" war.  If you are referring to the invasion of Iraq, you are very confused about why we invaded, and I invite/suggest you take a look at some of the Congressional record regarding the authorization of that invasion. 

Actually, your "logic and knowledge" reminds me of another old saying: "Teenagers, move out now while you still have all the answers!"

Also, I'm not a big Glenn Beck fan, but before you talk about what he has, or has not read, I would suggest picking up one or two of those books that he has quoted from on his shows to find out if his portrayal is accurate.  Wait, never mind, I'm sure you will find it easier to tune into MSNBC for 20 minutes, and just run with that.

Hey, one more thing.  Since you're bashing the "birthers" over the birth certificate issue.  Maybe you can explain the existence of kerning in the typed portions of the document.  It may be from before your time, but I also suggest you do some research on why Dan Rather was dismissed from CBS over a similar detail exposing forgery.

Facts can really be a *****

Our military and intelligence agents should get the credit.  Fortunately, Obama allowed the BUSH doctrines to continue * including GITMO and rendition.

Obama, Reid and Pelosi need to APOLOGIZE to the Bush Administration * they laid the groundwork for this capture and Obama, Reid and Pelosi wanted to DISMANTLE it 2 years ago.

Had CLINTON take UBL when he was offered him to us, perhaps 911 WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.

Thanks for your reply.

Maybe you don't like the delivery style of Glenn Beck but I wouldn't discount the message just because you don't like the messenger.

What historical facts is Glenn Beck making up?  Most of these guys like Glenn Beck, Neil Boortz and Rush Limbaugh usually welcome people to go and learn more about this stuff themselves.  That's what I like about them.  They challenge you to do your own research and verify everything that they say, especially Beck.  They'll suggest sources to check out for yourself.  Many times something sounds crazy and different from what you have been led to believe throughout your school years and then when you go to research it yourself, you find that things aren't what you thought they were. Every history book is written by someone with a personal bias.  Just because something is repeated over and over doesn't mean that it's correct. Sometimes it is, but sometimes it's been twisted a bit to fit a certain storyline.  I think it's good to have an open mind and not shut things out just because of a dislike of a personality. 

Glenn Beck is on a journey of discovery similar to mine.  I admit that I don't know all of the answers but I'm on a mission to understand as much as I can about what really is behind our system of government and our financial system.  I applaud Glenn Beck for covering things that others are too afraid to touch.  I respect someone who isn't afraid to admit that he was wrong and has changed his viewpoint after learning some new information.  I don't care for much of his delivery and I think he's uninformed on some of his viewpoints, but he is far from being stupid. 

Calling someone stupid is easy.  Pointing out misspellings and such is petty.  If Glenn Beck is wrong about some issue or is misleading people about something that is important, then why don't you point out the problem and educate us all on what you believe to be correct.  Then we can have an educated discussion and maybe learn something instead of getting into a name calling contest. 

To your last point, I believe that the best government is the least government.  I don't believe in or trust government to do the right thing.  Government is a necessary evil that we all agree on in order for it to protect our individual liberties.  That's what the Constitution is all about.  Limited powers and checks and balances on the government.   I believe in freedom.  I trust that free people making individual choices will ultimately result in the best for all.  I believe that liberty is what brings Americans together, not some belief in government. 

One last point.  Have things really changed under Obama?  Do we still have the Patriot Act?  Are we still  fighting wars with soldiers dying?  How many innocent people have been killed by the drone attacks on Pakistan?  Do we still  have Guantanamo Bay up and running?  Do we still  have a President who does signing statements?  Are bills still signed off on in a rush before the public has a chance to know what's in them?  Do we still have a president who takes a ton of vacations and plays a lot of golf?  To me, the new boss is the same as the old boss.  I think we got fooled again.

Too deep for me.... though I respect the passion you have.  And silly me, I still don't "get" why fox spells the name with a "U".

Look at Maitski with a subtle "Who" reference.

Lovely debate, really. 

"I don't believe in or trust government to do the right thing."  Well Tim, I guess I'm the same in many ways.  And that makes us cynical gentlemen not only towards the government, but the very people who elect them.  I've become a bit less cynical over the years, but still identify with that statement.  My ultimate cynicism resides not in Politics, but in Money.  It seems most of us believe in that, the latter.  And that is not too deep at all.   That's reality and why many of us are hoping for a more secure place when this place no longer exists for us.

I think that was a very astute and pretty damn good comment on this post, Tim.  To your last point, Obama isn't different on many factors ... much of which you laid out in your comment.  And he's still riding in the same system that we have, not a perfect system, but one where it is extremely hard to please the masses.  In fact, if he did, I wouldn't be looking for his Birth Certificate, I'd be looking for the 666 on his inevitable bald spot while being the most scrutinized person we've ever elected.  Irony is kind of cool.  Things like Facebook helped his cause to get elected and also are the same realms where he is bashed quite regularly.

I'd vote for him again.  And probably will ...

Wow!  You really just don't get it do you?  You have just been caught as the Pot calling the Kettle Black!

Where in my responses did I ever mention anything about any mis-spellings?

I simply challenged you to do a little research for yourself (as several others have).  The invasion of Iraq was authorized by Congress, it was not a unilateral action taken by the President.  This is in stark contrast to the recent bombing of Libya by our current Commander-in-Chief.  Perhaps you were not quite self aware when the actual debate was going on, but the President does not actually go out in the field to gather information, he relies on career intelligence agents to provide that information. (By the way, Saddam Hussein has been proven to have been very proactive in perpetuating the lie that he did have WMDs) A very tiny amount of research on your part would lead you to the FACT that our current Secretary of State is on the congressional record with regard to WMD in Iraq as having "independently" verified that with her (and presumably her ex-President husband's) own sources.  If you continue to challenge facts like this because you "got my information from the man who ordered it: George Bush" I will be happy to provide you with several link to reputable sources where you can read the actual quotes.

Another minor detail I would like to point out is that the CIA has nothing to do with background checks for any Americans other than those who are applying for a position with the agency, and the NSA has a similar mandate.  Perhaps you meant to say the FBI, but just thought it was cooler to say CIA, and NSA?

As for the issue of kerning, did you even bother to look it up?  Way back before computers, we all used these things called typewriters.  Typewriters cannot predict the next letter to be typed so there is equal spacing for each and every letter.  I never claimed to be a forensic expert at any of this, I just invited you to do some research for yourself, and then explain to the rest of us poor uninformed fools how something kerned could appear in a document created in 1961?

Here's one more chance to show us all that you are capable of reading all the words in a reply.  This link shows a Congressional record for a vote taken on a resolution establishing someones eligibility to run for President as a "natural born Citizen."   http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=sr110-511

Can you find one for our current President?

PS - you're right in that your mortgage company does a better background check.  However, if Obama did have to go through the full application process for FBI employment, he would not be approved.  This would not be due to citizenship issues though.  He would simply fail the background check due to known associations with confessed terrorists. (Yes, this is yet another invitation for you to do the research to see who I'm referring to)

Hey, one last thing.  The person that alerted me to the kerning issue is a former associate who voted for Obama, and hates GW.  :)

My opinion is that both democratic and republican party have become two sides of the same coin.

The goal of corporate America is to keep us all divided so they can rip the benefits. I had a privilege to be born in this country but I was raised in former Yugoslavia and Germany so i feel fortunate to have friends living in different parts of Europe and to be getting more balanced view of how we are perceived by the world.

I will not disclose my political affiliation since my political affiliation or lack of it is not an extension of who I am.

I have friends that I love very much who are both republicans and democrats and who are wonderful, decent people but who search for their own truth by accessing different news channels. 

Hatred only leads to more hatred. "All we need is love, la, la, la. All we need is Love oh yes love is all we need."

Natalie Arndt BS MA

Albuquerque NM

jason.sardi@gmail.com

Glad you are busy, man.  Talk soon:)

Did you happen to look at the caption beneath the picture of Bush?  It says "Former president commends his successor and the military on 'this momentous achievement'".

If you had read that story, you would have found that Bush was giving credit where credit was due.  I saw an interview with Dick Cheney, in which he had nothing but praise for the way Obama handled the operation, gongratulating him on a job well done.

I have heard a pretty strong chorus of conservatives congratulating Obama on a job well done, and little criticism.  This blog is the most contentious I have seen since the event, using perceived slights on Fox News to club your idealogical opponents with belittling insults.  It does nothing to persuade me to agree with you.

Michael:

That picture with the caption about the birth certificate is very funny. Had to stop by and chuckle. Have a great weekend.

There is just too much hypocrisy to make much of a comment. Other than I won't waste my time on someone who can't get his facts straight and sits on his brain.

Had to come back because I liked "some" of the discussion on this post.  Gotta love Politics!