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On September 26, 2007, The House Committee on Ways and Means unanimously approved H.R. 3648, the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007.  For more information, please see THIS ARTICLE.  This is good news for the clients of ours that go through a short sale of their home.  Under current law, the homeowner would receive a Form 1099-C in the amount of the forgiven debt, being responsible for income tax on the amount of debt written off.  This is adding insult to injury in many cases, and should be stopped to help our economy get trhough this horrible foreclosure market we are seeing.

We urge you to write to your congress person to let them know you want them to SUPPORT this bill when comes around for vote.  To read a summary of the contents of the bill, click here:  Summary of the H.R. 3648, the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007.

If you are interested in seeing other letters of support on this issue from the National Association of Realtors, National Association of Home Builders, and Mortgage Bankers Association, please CLICK HERE.

It is difficult to tell someone that they will avoid the foreclosure but be responsible for several thousand dollars worth of taxes because of it; like a double edged sword in many cases. There are ways around the tax liability, but not everyone qualifies for these exemptions.  They are listed here: (reprinted from the IRS website, for the full page of FAQ on Mortgage Debt Cancellation form the IRS, please follow THIS LINK):

Is Cancellation of Debt income always taxable?

Not always. There are some exceptions. The most common situations when cancellation of debt income is not taxable involve:

  • Bankruptcy: Debts discharged through bankruptcy are not considered taxable income.
  • Insolvency: If you are insolvent when the debt is cancelled, some or all of the cancelled debt may not be taxable to you.You are insolvent when your total debts are more than the fair market value of your total assets.Insolvency can be fairly complex to determine and the assistance of a tax professional is recommended if you believe you qualify for this exception.
  • Certain farm debts:If you incurred the debt directly in operation of a farm, more than half your income from the prior three years was from farming, and the loan was owed to a person or agency regularly engaged in lending, your cancelled debt is generally not considered taxable income.The rules applicable to farmers are complex and the assistance of a tax professional is recommended if you believe you qualify for this exception.
  • Non-recourse loans:A non-recourse loan is a loan for which the lender's only remedy in case of default is to repossess the property being financed or used as collateral.That is, the lender cannot pursue you personally in case of default.Forgiveness of a non-recourse loan resulting from a foreclosure does not result in cancellation of debt income.However, it may result in other tax consequences, as discussed in Question 3 below.

I hope this helps answer some of the questions I have been receiving.  Please help pass this bill along into law as it would certainly be a bold first step in helping to get our downturned economy back in check.

Any comments on this are welcome.

 
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19 Comments on Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Bill passes through Ways and Means Committee

About debt forgiveness... IF you are a speculator or flipper and have just made bad decisions ( but pocketed some money on others) why should you get off of the hook tax wise?

The average homeowner that goes through foreclosure will probably end up in bankruptcy court and so they can very easily demonstrate insolvency (in most cases). I think this is just another case of the politicios playing to the chior.

10/07/2007 09:15 PM by Perrin Cornell, ABR (Windermere RE/NCW)


John, I posted a blog about this a week ago and boy did  catch some flack for it!  It is a very controversial topic, many don't think that the "Sellers" should get a break and many do.  I think there are pros and cons to both sides of the topic.  Thanks for helping to pass the word!

10/07/2007 09:19 PM by The All Pro Team (EXIT Realty Leaders)


Flack is not always a bad thing to catch!  All I know is that I have gone out on several loss mitigation cases in the past month, and several short sale prospects - a total of about 30 in the past month or so, and only one of them was a true scam trying to rape the system by putting all of their money (which was in excess of the amount owed on the home) in a business LLC that she owned, but had under another name - needles to say, I walked away form that one.

Anyway, most of these people had true hardship cases - ARM loans going up and up and up - from homeowners, not investors.  Health crisis, or accidents leaving them unable to work, or a spouse simply walk out.  I had one lady who lost her husband to cancer, only to collapse at his funeral to wake up later and find out that she had cancer and the bank hung up on us with an offer that was netting them $3000 under what was owed!

I agree that some people take advantage of the system but not all do and in today's market there are a lot of people who need our help without us trying to stick it to the scam makers.

Good feedback though!

10/07/2007 09:51 PM by John Youker (SW Ohio Realty Group / Keller Williams Advantange)


You (or me) want to purchase a home.  As individuals, we know our payment capability now.  We decide (incorrectly) that our capability will cover the "better" house that we want, because our income will increase. right along with the house value.  It doesn't, and the "better" house becomes burdensome financially.  Why didn't we get the little house that was appropriate to our situation?  But, give me a break that will befall taxpayers that used better judgement.  Sounds fair to me...but not really.

10/07/2007 09:53 PM by Options Realty


I am not trying to forgive those who take advantage of the situation, as a matter of fact, I hate to see this happen, but it is a fact of life.  There are, however, many people out there that need our help, and want our help but do not know where to turn for it.  Selling the property short is a great solution for the right person, but that is up to the real estate agent to morally and ethically choose which people they can help and which people they can't help.

I have had some really sad cases in th epast month of people that truly need the help.

Anyway, the bill is through the house as of Friday and off to the Senate for approval.  Here is the results of the bill from the House:  CLICK HERE.

Here is the status of the Bill now.

10/07/2007 10:45 PM by John Youker (SW Ohio Realty Group / Keller Williams Advantange)


I handle short sales in Camarillo, CA.  The 1099 waiver is a much needed relief for our NEIGHBORHOODS, more than for the homeowners.  Just imagine what all the new homeless, broke and in debt ex-homeowners would have to contribute to our local economies.  Not much.  At least this way, they can keep their jobs and stay in the community -- while providing a valuable tax base and continue buying goods and services.

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10/07/2007 11:13 PM by Barry Shapiro (Keller Williams Realty)


Not to mention they rent houses!  They have to live somewhere and I can only imagine the rental market is going to get that much better for those who own investment property.  And more money in an investors pocket means they buy more real estate - again adding to the tax base of the COMMUNITY.

It is a true "win-win" for both sides of the situation.  Thanks for you comments!

10/07/2007 11:30 PM by John Youker (SW Ohio Realty Group / Keller Williams Advantange)


H.R. 3648, Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007.

Perfect answer for those going through the short sale. Sure we will see some abuse of the system. However as the bill is focused on the primary residence of the homeowner overall it's a good thing. Nonetheless, The trickle down effects we will experience are those homeowners who have been sitting on the fence considering selling short. Many will, if and when this bill passes, throw in the towel and make the mtg payments someone else's problem. This is going to cause another surge in Inventory increasing supply and driving prices lower causing more homeowners to follow suit.

With damaged credit the-short sale homeowner will be 'on the shelf for a couple or three years before buying back in to homeownership. A run on the rental market will be inevitable driving prices up for investor landlords. Further, creative financing will become common place, expect to see  wrap around mtgs, lease options, land contracts, shared equity deals and the like. Most of them in breach of the lenders condition, 

However with the foreclosure epidemic the Big lenders will be turning a blind eye as long as the debt is being serviced.  Add to this the weakling dollar and falling home prices and creative financing The US Real estate market will be looking very attractive to our foreign friends.

Should the Bill not pass, ever think about this,, the 1099 might just be used by the homeowner to qualify for the next home (wink) 

Chris Giddings

 

10/08/2007 10:46 PM by Chris Giddings (Realty Executives of Nevada)


Hi, I am going through a potential short sale right now. Any update on this bill passing? My husband and I are very concerned about getting hit with the 10099C. Thanks for this very informative blog.

10/15/2007 09:28 AM by Lisa Cosentino


Please go here:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h3648/show

and subscribe to the RSS Feed to stay updated and informed on where this bill stands.  It is currently in the Senate.

I hope this helps!

John Youker

10/15/2007 10:27 AM by John Youker (SW Ohio Realty Group / Keller Williams Advantange)


There are ways to offset the 1099!

12/11/2007 05:41 PM by Trapper acme (acme)


How can you offset the 1099?

Also, if I have a second mortgage company holding up a short sale with the first mortgage company giving them $5000 up front and the seller giving them an unsecured note signed at closing for the balance of the debt ($30,000) and they still refuse to do the short sale, stating that they would rather foreclose, being in the 3rd lien position, (tax lien is first with $25,000, 1st mortgage is second with $111,000, and 2nd mortgage is third with $35,000).  We are paying all the taxes, $87,000 on the first which they are accepting as complete payoff, and $5000 with an unsecured note on the second - the would rather foreclose (the second), receive nothing, then sue for a deficiency judgement and end up with an unsecured note when the client is just going to file BK anyway.  I do not see the login in the second mortgage company to take the $5000 up fornt and the FREE unsecured note, when they will have $1000'sa in legal fees to do it the other way?

Any suggestions?  Please email me at sold@JohnYouker.com

 

12/11/2007 06:10 PM by John Youker


Let me guess, the second mortgage is ASC/Wells Fargo or a small mortgage company?

There are a a couple of unanswered questions.

1) Are they past due on the 2nd mortgage? If so, how many days?

2) What did the BPO come in at? Is the offer close to FMV (Fair Market Value) ?

3) What is the hardship?

Unfortantly, I wouldnt be able to go into great detail about offsetting the 1099. You will need to contact me directly once my company is all set up. It should be the first of next month!

However, I will shed a little light on your current short sale.

12/11/2007 06:38 PM by Trapper acme (acme)


No,  The second mortgage is with Irwin Mortgage and we had a clear to close this Friday.  the the seller, UPON INSTRUCTION from Irwin did not send in the payment that was due on 12/1 as it was to be collected at closing.  Since he missed the payment, as instructed, they cancelled the closing instructions, and sent it off to the legal department.

 Now we have nothing, except for irwin mortgage calling all 3 of us, lying to everyone about not talking to the other party, trying  to put us all against each other, and trying to get money from each of us.  Everyone has agreed to cut a bit, including the seller who is still going to bring the two back payments to the closing, as instructed, sign an unsecured note for the entire balance, and they are still getting the $5K up front.

I have done several short sales, and have realized with most banks it is not a game, it is a process, and if all looks good, then it will work.  Especially in a case like this where the BPO came in at the EXACT price we have the contract for (which is stil about $40,000 less than what is owed - $35K of which is the second mortgage which the sellers took out off of a mail soliciation from Irwin to do a 125% cash out second).

All is good on this deal, but the second mortgage company legal department is making decsions based on emotions, not logic.  WE expressed our displeasure with her lying to all if us and asked to speak with someone who has some integrity in her company, and now, she is axing the entire thing.  We wonder what her supervisor will say once the sale is dead, when they could have had $5K in hand and an note signed, and now they are going to end up with $20,000 in legal fees, and nothing else!

Advice?

12/11/2007 07:31 PM by John Youker


No,  The second mortgage is with Irwin Mortgage and we had a clear to close this Friday.  the the seller, UPON INSTRUCTION from Irwin did not send in the payment that was due on 12/1 as it was to be collected at closing.  Since he missed the payment, as instructed, they cancelled the closing instructions, and sent it off to the legal department.

 Now we have nothing, except for irwin mortgage calling all 3 of us, lying to everyone about not talking to the other party, trying  to put us all against each other, and trying to get money from each of us.  Everyone has agreed to cut a bit, including the seller who is still going to bring the two back payments to the closing, as instructed, sign an unsecured note for the entire balance, and they are still getting the $5K up front.

I have done several short sales, and have realized with most banks it is not a game, it is a process, and if all looks good, then it will work.  Especially in a case like this where the BPO came in at the EXACT price we have the contract for (which is stil about $40,000 less than what is owed - $35K of which is the second mortgage which the sellers took out off of a mail soliciation from Irwin to do a 125% cash out second).

All is good on this deal, but the second mortgage company legal department is making decsions based on emotions, not logic.  WE expressed our displeasure with her lying to all if us and asked to speak with someone who has some integrity in her company, and now, she is axing the entire thing.  We wonder what her supervisor will say once the sale is dead, when they could have had $5K in hand and an note signed, and now they are going to end up with $20,000 in legal fees, and nothing else!

Advice?

12/11/2007 07:31 PM by John Youker


John,

Mortgage companies hire people to mitigate their lose. They are very skilled in this area (I know, I use to work for the largest bank in the world). It seems that you are well versed with the short sale. If I was in your shoes, I would go up the chain of command @ Irwin. If the manager @ Irwin doesnt help you, then ask for the OVP (operations vice president).  Try to talk to them, many times they are more logical then the loss mitigation reps.

Don't lower your commissions any lower and dont let them get into your head. Your a realtor not a miracle worker! Dont let their problem become yours. Your job is to list the property, market it, and get a buyer. They ask way to much from realtors.  Irwin doesnt have the best people working for them. Like you said, they let their emotions get in the way.  You have a great offer and good buyer (who has waited for the approval). Not all short sales go through. Sometimes mortgage companies play hard ball thinking you might give them more money. Stand your ground and dont give in.  

As I have said earlier, go through the chain of command!  I hope you the best.

 

12/11/2007 09:42 PM by Trapper acme (acme)


Thank you for your feedback, it is much appreciated here.  I know that this can be a technique to stall to try to get more money from someone, but no one has any to give.  I could give commission, but I already gave up $1500 and they laughed at that, so that tells me they are playing a game here.  Earlier on, we threatened to let our 83,000 agents know that the policy of Iriwin was to NEVER allow a short sale, and with that, they gave in and assigned us to a new case worker.  Now they are blaming us for him missing payments, which he was instructed to do.

 

Anyway, I appreciate your insight and advice.  Stay in touch, I would like to talk to you more in the future about your company

12/11/2007 10:13 PM by john Youker


This is all good information. I appreciate the responses. What about the families that bought homes, which they could afford then lost thier jobs only to find the jobs available don't pay the same salary due to recession worries and declining markets? This is a real story, because it's mine.  I'm not a slacker. I am now working harder than ever before after losing my job of 13 years. My employer knew I was buying a house and never disclosed that 15% of the workforce was to be laid off in 3 months. Now I'm forced to take a job with a 20% salary cut. I could use a little help!

01/17/2008 08:55 PM by Ron M.


Ron,

First off, are you in the Dayton area?  If so, then I can help you.  If not, then I can help you find someone who can help you.

Feel free to email me directly at Sold@JohnYouker.com, or visit our pre-foreclosure website with more information:  www.OhioShortSaleSolutions.com

I am also a trained loss mitigation negotiator, so if you need help negotiating with the bank, I can at least put you on the right track!

Thank                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

01/18/2008 11:18 PM by John Youker


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