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141 Comments on The Fabled Tankless Water Heater
Doug - those calculations were for me and what I selected! As to any tax credit, remember, what saves me costs somebody else...
Eric - try to figure it out for yourself, based on your needs and what you would select to try to satisfy them!
Jay, I love your post! I have heard the same information that you have and that you have summarized the information! In my opinion, the only reason to go tankless is if you are building a new property and can afford it, or you need the closet/space that houses the existing water heater and can afford the expense.
Hahahaha. A pan or other diverter does not work when your tank is spouting like a water fountain. That is what happened to me a few years back and we where away from the house for a few hours No pan, or diverter in the world would have saved us from that mess.
There are a lot of good reasons to have one Sharon, but to me it only makes sense if it is financially beneficial!
Yikes Lori! That's why I tell people that the drip pans "theoretically" capture water leaks!
Jay, Your post is interesting -- but, I installed a Takagi T-K3 tankless water heater in my mom's house and it not only supplies plenty of hot water but heats over 4500 sq. ft. in temperatures as low as 35 below zero. It is shown on line for sale at $751.
It looks like a good unit Gary. I am wondering why they recommend lining up four of them to gain a 21 gpm flow. I am not sure if one would supply the gpm we would need, but it looks like a good unit.
I've been complaining, more or less to myself, about these for a while. Clients always ask me my opinion on them and they seem to think they are the best thing since sliced bread. Of course when you put things into perspective for them the appeal tends to diminish slightly.
Cute avatar Mr. Vince! Perty! I think people need to investigate what is available to them and what their costs are, product and utility, and try to determine for themselves!
Jay, Thank you for the information. This is consideration in my own home, along with one of my clients. Carol
You are welcome Carol. Be sure to do the research where you are!
Great post, Jay. I ran the numbers myself back in 2005, and I came up with similar figures. The break-even point was completely unrealistic. Couple that with the hot water / cold water sandwich effect... and forget it.
Reuben - there were a couple of posts here where people had installed what were very inexpensive units. In those cases I am sure there is a better break even, but the trade off is that you get a cheap unit. The units I looked at were not cheap. The other issue is water hardness too. Seems to do the units in quickly.
I don't understand your sandwich effect. What do you mean?
Jay, I would even add that installing a heater blanket and pipe insulation will help with the gas savings on the standard heater. But the biggest years adder is draining the tank to remove the sediment on a regular basis. Especially in hard water areas. Thanks for doing the math for me too.
Jay, I just re-blogged your post...thanks for providing us with your perspective of the tankless water heaters! We have contemplated installing one in the last custom home we built, but decided against it due to cost and the fact that there was not a space issue. :)
Here's a good explanation of the cold water sandwich effect - http://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-heater/faq/#question-21
I agree with that Scott! And our water here is pretty hard. We don't have too much exposed copper to be able to wrap, but what we have wrapped is good.
Thanks Leilani. The cost seems to be a big issue, along with hard water and what the Reuben proposed!
Thanks Reubs! I like their little mention there which says, "the cold water sandwich effect cannot be removed completely from tankless style water heaters." That has GOT to be comfy in Minnesoooota when the water coming in to the house is 38 degrees!
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The only time I will consider a tankless water heater because of its expense is when the water heater is located in an attic. I just don't want to go through the labor of draining and replacing from the attic, or risk a leak.
I see heaters in the attic from time to time Mike and never like to see them there! Even with a drip pan!
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