At our Tuesday morning business meeting, a colleague raised a situation that comes up fairly often.  Here's the scenario:

An offer came in on a condo listing, where the buyer waived the home inspection contingency.  The sellers thought, "Oh!  Goody!"

At the walk-thru the day before settlement, the buyer brought an inspector who went over all of the appliances and systems (heating, plumbing, electrical, etc.).  And that evening, they sent an email with an attached list of everything the buyers wanted repaired before settlement the next morning.  In lieu of repairs, they would accept a credit from the sellers, or they would ask the seller to escrow a good bit more than the repairs might actually cost, and anything not spent would be released to the seller.

The agents relayed the 2-page list of some real and some nit pick items.  The sellers thought, "Yikes!  Can they do that?"

So, during the discussion, another colleague said she always insists that a contract without an inspection clause must also include an "As Is" clause.  

"But wait a minute!"  I pipe up.  "Without an inspection, how do you know what 'As Is' actually IS?"

Without an "As Is" clause, the sellers were required to do any repairs that were covered by the property condition paragraph, and in this area, that means systems and appliances have to work.  And in our current market, you really don't have to fore-go an inspection to get an offer accepted.

So, this was the final consensus:

If you're dealing with no inspection and an "as is" clause, you probably have to use the property disclosure information as a benchmark for the condition of the house or condo as of the contract ratification date, and we all know that there can be problems that the sellers are unaware of. 

Then we decided that if an offer comes in on one of our listings with no inspection contingency, ask the other agent to include one with a fairly short life span, say five days.  (I've been known to counter an offer by adding an inspection.)

Even with the second option, the buyers could find a new issue at the walk-thru.  It's just that there probably won't be a lot of issues, and they will be easier to resolve one or two leaking faucets than an entire last-minute laundry list.

 

20 Comments on Skipping the Home Inspection?

OCT
09
2007
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How long did the buyers have for their inspection contingency?  We have the buyer sign a disclousre stating that they are waiving the home inspection.  If they want an inspection, time is of the essence.
2:17pm • #1
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I have had a few people opt of inspections or perform them myself.  I shutter, but they insist.  I beg and beg and then have them sign a "CYA - Chris told you better, Form".
2:26pm • #2
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Jeff, the buyers opted out - they had no inspection contingency at all.  That, however, didn't stop them from bringing a professional to the walk thru to check the property condition items. 

And Chris, the CYA is a good idea.  I'm starting to use my own in sort of "Run, Spot! Run!" English, you know, "My agent, Pat Kennedy told me that not having a home inspection is incredibly stupid, and I acknowledge that she tried to bully me into having one and I just flat out refused." 

6:14pm • #3
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Patricia - I did not yet have a contract without an inspection. All our contracts have the "AS IS" condition (I even had a post on it). What "as is" usually means, that the seller is not obligated to fix anything, and if the items are "material", the buyer can choose to cancel the contract. I can't imagine how you can address serious things that come up during the walkthrough. There isn't even time to get the estimates.
7:40pm • #4
OCT
10
2007
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Hi Patricia,

I always advise my buyer clients to write a home inspection contingency clause. However, there have been one or two times where I have heard of a buyer "nit picking" some of the smaller issues trying to make them out to be more than the $5 cost to repair the problem. I think some buyers need to realize that when a home is 20+ years old...it's not in NEW condition.

-Keith

 

12:01am • #5
Everyone NEEDS to get a inpection!!
12:01am • #6
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Faina, take another look at your property condition clause.  It most likely says something like as is as of the time of contract ratification, and with appliances and systems (plumbing, heating/AC and electrical) in working order.  This means the sellers are contractually obligated to repair only things in those categories but not structural things, like the roof or foundation problems.  Of course, the buyers can always ask for structural repairs, and if the seller refuses they can walk away from the contract.  But I've never heard of any jurisdictions with flat out "as is" clauses in the boiler plate that cover the whole house.  Usually the buyers or sellers would have to add that to the standard language.
3:49am • #7
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Keith,  in this market, I think it's probably a good idea for the sellers to fix the small stuff.  And some listing agents have accused me of nit picking repairs that wound up costing the sellers thousands of dollars and really needed to be done.

And Sherri -   Du-uh!   You are so right!  You must have read The Irreverent Guide to Real Estate!

3:52am • #8
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Great point you raise.  Funny thing happened last week when I was out of town with regards to Home Inspections.  In fact I was starting to blog about it this morning.  Look for it later today.

The small stuff SHOULD be fixed before it hits the market - but it is possible that any buyer could pull this stunt at walk-through.  The question is what does "normal working order" mean and what does it include?  It seems pretty clear right?

Yes - if the garbage disposal doesn't turn on - we have an issue.  But what if this 'inspector' finds something more detailed in the walk-through?  Say a small crack in a window?  Does the window "work"?  What about the way the kitchen sink sprayer is hooked up (is not to code) - but does it "work"?

Good topic for more conversation.

 

5:09am • #9
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James, what arguments I've had over what's working order!  And until they changed the contract, a windows could arguably be considered a "mechanical" system.  And small crack?  Structural, but was it there at contract ratification or did it develop after that?  And the inspectors who throw "code" around drive me nuts!  What code?  The one in effect when the plumbing was installed in 1915?  With no upgrades, that is what rules!  Show it to me! 

Thanks for the comments! 

5:29am • #10
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I'm working on a contract now with a buyer where the seller is a relocation company.  They have already done an inspection so we have a pretty good idea of what the issues are going to be.  We have already let them know that all of the walk-through items on their list MUST be taken care of and we have detailed which items we determined were walk-through.

We are going to have our own inspection on top of the one already done so that we can see if any of the home inspection items are bigger than they appear.  I think it is a great way to start the negotations-knowing what the issues are-instead of waiting until afterwards.  I'm starting a new "certified pre-owned" program with my sellers.

2:59pm • #11
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Cindy,  I haven't checked your blog this afternoon, but I think that "Certified Pre-Owned" is a great idea - hope you write about the details.
3:03pm • #12
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Starting this year - every one of my listings has been pre-inspected by FARO Home Inspections ( a well known inspection company in the area) before being put on the market and entered into MLS.  It costs my sellers $500-600 upfront and not one of them has had a problem doing this, in fact they welcomed it and were all very glad they did it.  The sellers make any repairs suggested by FARO.  I provide a copy of the inspection to agents and their buyers online. 

So Far, this year,"knock on wood" there have been NO problems with home inspections or walk thru items, no asking for credits and very smooth transactions.  I believe this has saved my sellers many, many, many dollars (in repair credits) and a lot of time, trying to negotiate over home inspection items.  Some buyers did their own inspection too, but none have had any big problems or asked for any money. 

I am SOLD on pre-listing home inspections! 

6:37pm • #13
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Patricia- It continues to amaze me how different things are in different states. We have the home inspection built right into the contract. If it is not filled in than the buyer has 10 days from the effective date of the contract to get the inspection done. If he does not do in within the time frame he loses his right to repairs. The walk through we have is just to confirm the repairs previously agreed to have been completed. Our AS IS contract specifically spells out WITH RIGHT TO INSPECTION. Katerina
7:04pm • #14
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Debbie, one of the FARO guys is a total lunatic!  I'm sure you use one of the other ones.  But I think  having a listing pre-inspected is a great idea.  Brilliant, in fact.

And Katerina, your way of doing it sounds a lot saner.  Here, buyers keep getting another bite at the apple.  Of course, if I'm representing the buyer, you know, bite away!

7:11pm • #15
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11
2007
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Patricia - our contracts are AS IS with the inspection contingency clause. The contract specifies the date of the inspection and the dates of the sellers response, which is usually 10 days after the attorney review. The buyer can back out of the contract if "significant" or "material" deficiencies were found and the seller refused to remediate. Of course, what is "material" to the buyer is never the same as for the seller. I counsel both buyers and sellers that usually it means: structural, mechanical, electrical, environmental, and safety issues. Cracked windows don't fall into this category. Surprise, surprise -the buyers always want those windows fixed.
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Hi Patricia, it seems that D.C. needs to revamp thier contracts.
7:12am • #17
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Patricia,

I know which home inspector you are talking about!  

A lot of agents in the DC area know who it is, and NO, NO, NO - I don't use him. 

8:13am • #18
OCT
12
2007
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Something I never thought of but talk about putting the seller in a situation that is almost considered black mail at this point. I think you should have gotten 5 stars for this one including and extra one for a featured post. This isn't something that comes up often, but when it does, this would be something good to know.

12:11am • #19
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19
2007
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Makes me think it is a wise idea to put an inspection addendum in and waive the inspection,
1:53pm • #20

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