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124 Comments on ActiveRain hiring an Editor
Given the past and recent behavior of certain 'gangs in the rain' a digg system will never work here in the rain. The dishonest up and down ranking of certain groups has run rampant. Nothing has deterred them, they must think that the rest of us do not know who they are, but we do. A digg system will fare no better.
What a digg system will do is to drive more members out of the rain. This will continue to happen until all you have left are the gangs raging in the slums of the rain.
You dig?
I've always thought that it should be more like a Digg style ranking of featuring the posts. The cream will rise to top more often than not when the Mob has the power. I limited group with the power to feature, or not feature, can never make everyone happy... and there is too much room for specific bias.
Tread carefully, Jim. I have facts on my side. Facts trump conjecture all of the time. Your claims of "specific bias" did a great disservice to one of your clients last night.
Are you claiming that the moderators exhibited specific bias? Against whom?
Here's your big opportunity to stand up for your clients
if true, bring serious discredit to those I have held in extremely high regard.
They are not true. Conjecture is the glue that holds the mob together when truth is absent
I too recall the mockery that was made of the early dashboard by a "team" of agents all "voting" for each other through a pyramid of fake profiles and comments.
AR has tried 'digg' style featuring and it failed here. Hopefully lessons were learned. Before that system is implemented again you need to deal with those who mastered gaming it.
Ummmm this is getting interesting. Now that the Moderators are out I see some of what I saw is in fact real....and glad to know that they know who was/is doing it. And I still say one profile for person .....:) Get rid of the fake ones, and the people that left a long time ago....if they want to contribute, re-join.
thank you Mods for standing up, and continuing to make this a good place for all of us, not just a select few .....
No need to cull my words.
Referring to any bias is a mere generality that will happen in any limited judgment. Bias towards items of interest, or away from items of particular disinterest - be it person, place or thing - is virtually impossible to avoid. Arguably, it's human nature.
RE: (Here's your big opportunity to stand up for your clients)
I'm not exactly sure what you are insinuating... is there something I need to be brought up to speed on?
I have made no claim, nor participated in any finger-pointing, regarding moderation...nor do I really care.
RE: Digg style. Just because the AR original model was compromised doesn't mean you need to throw the idea of it away. This is a social network... is it not? Digg continues to improve their algorithms to curb gaming, as does Google. I'm just saying that I revere the wisdom of the mob to a panel when making decisions on behalf of a social atmosphere.
Gaming will always exist. No doubt. On a level of 2 to 2 billion, it's going to be there. If the system is aware that gamers are there, then they can work to curb and punish - And if you look at the results of Digg and others, you will see that the most interesting news items of the day still continue to rise to the top - game or no game.
Referring to any bias is a mere generality that will happen in any limited judgment. Bias towards items of interest, or away from items of particular disinterest - be it person, place or thing - is virtually impossible to avoid. Arguably, it's human nature.
No, Jim. You referred to specific bias, that is not a generality. Specific bias implies that the moderators singled out a group.
I have made no claim, nor participated in any finger-pointing, regarding moderation...nor do I really care
Well, you care or you wouldn't have taken the time to weigh in with an opinion. Your insinuation of "specific bias" is both a claim and a pointed finger.
Jim, you're busted. Stop using your clients ( and our friends) to promote your company by tearing apart this network; you're embarassing them.
"too much room for specific bias" is what I said. And the point is, that if someone has a specific bias toward something/someone/someplace then there is a challenge with the method. I made no effort to point out any issue, just the fact that there can be challenges.
You're bullying attempt at putting words in my mouth is not only way off-base, but uncalled for.
How you make the leap to me using anyone for any agenda, especially an agenda I have had absolutely no involvement with is beyond me. I'm flattered that you think I somehow have a power to tear apart this network (something I would never do, if you knew how much I support it), but that statement is the most ridiculous thing I have read all day.
Brian, I have no idea what you are getting at, or what light you are trying to pin on me... but you can speak with the Rain Gods and any (and every) client of mine, and you will find that I have had no interest, no involvement and no influence with this whole topic. Any insinuation to the contrary is worse than conjecture, it is bordering defamation.
I will no longer entertain your responses.
Yes the old Digg system (nicely coined new phrase btw) is why we went to moderators in the first place and I agree with the MF and Linda comments about the gaming that was occuring.
Now all I have to say is this, and I said it at the time. If we just write and post for the reasons we signed up and forget the darn points and features we can all get back to normal?
I thank all the moderators for their hard work. It's like herding cats in here.
I'll be transparent:
If I were a moderator, I would make every attempt to uncover hidden talent and powerful voices. I would try to weed out the imposters, the plagiarizers, the point hogs.
I am sure this is what the late moderators tried to do.
Perhaps unlike the recent moderators, I would tend to gravitate to my own subscribed list. Those are the people I read first upon rising--and the last I read before going to bed after a day of working.
I worry about Karen George. I revere Lenn Harley. Gena Riede is an absolute hoot. Laurie Mannie doesn't write nearly often enough--and neither does Kristal Kraft. Brian Brady mesmerizes and I never want to miss a post from the AR Gods.
I have a long list of bloggers to whom I subscribe.
And if I were to seek featured writers after a day of resolving real estate issues, I would probably first seek out the writers to whom I subscribe. I mean, when Lenn Harley bothers to stray from localism posts, she shakes the industry. Brian Brady stirs it up. So does Gena.
Then there's the wisdom of Lola and the Jeffs and other many other authors I love to read.
Believe me, I love the talent on this forum but still have some specific biases....
I will no longer entertain your responses.
Then anything I offer, fact or conjecture, would be pointless. I believe that you believe you are correct.
Bob,
Still haven't heard anything about the relaunch at Localism. I tried to look at it today from the consumers point of view and didn't quite understand how articles were posted to the main categories and why those categories were chosen. My two cents.
Well this post explains a lot about what i've been thinking. I think the moderator choices were quite evident and great picks. Perhaps with localism priorities falling behind, we could begin a new round of volunteer moderation? Btw: Downtown Long beach condos are where it's at. props to laurie, rich, bryant, etc (sorry don't know all of you yet by heart), for all the hard work you put into this. This really deserves a reblog but ya that's not available.