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Kudos To Dayton Board of REALTORS(R)! Room Sizes Now Required on ALL Residential Listings!

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Real Estate Agent with Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com SAL.2002007747

Merry Christmas!Kudos To Dayton Board of REALTORS(R)!  Room Sizes Now Required on ALL Residential Listings!

Last night we logged in to one of our two area MLS systems and saw the announcement that should make MANY consumers happy!

The DAYTON MLS will now REQUIRE that every listing will have room sizes entered and number of rooms entered for ALL Residential and Farm entries.  No sizes, no entry in MLS, no visibility to the public.

NO EXCEPTIONS for bank owned or distressed properties!  Easily the biggest group for NOT providing the information.

We know this lack of detail has been frustrating to buyers and their agents for quite some time, and we welcome this new rule and enforcement!  Lack of pictures is bad enough, but knowing NOTHING about the inside of the home is adding insult to injury.

So KUDOS to the Dayton Board of REALTORS(S) for making this consumer friendly requirement!

Serving Warren County's residential real estate needs,
Liz and Bill aka BLiz

P.S.  If you want to sell your home in Warren County, don't make yourself invisible!  List with an agent team that places your home in BOTH the Dayton and Cincinnati MLS!

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Comments(33)

Stacey Smith
Keller Williams Realty - Aliso Viejo, CA
Your Orange County Beach Cities Realtor

I think that is awesome!!! That will very much help narrow down the search for property... If they find a place that looks nice in the pictures but see that the Master Bedroom is only and 11x11 they will more then likely ex-nay that property and go on to the next ultimately saving your time and energy from showing them a property they are not going to be interested in.

Jun 06, 2011 03:37 AM
Michelle Gibson
Hansen Real Estate Group Inc. - Wellington, FL
REALTOR

Liz & Bill - That's great, we only have a few rooms that are mandatory and of course REO properties only put the bare minimum.

Jun 06, 2011 04:00 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Stacey, You've got to love being able to eliminate a home that won't work PRIOR to stepping in the door! :)

Michelle, We didn't have any mandatory rooms at all, although 99.9% of your non-distressed properties were getting room sizes entered.  It's got to help everyone involved better evaluate the homes that are available.

Jun 06, 2011 04:13 AM
Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

Liz and Bill --- very valuable for potential buyers and agents.   Our mls does not require or even have a field for room sizes.  Hope it is enforced and accurate!

Jun 06, 2011 04:13 AM
Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
Fathom Realty Washington LLC - Tacoma, WA
South Puget Sound Washington Agent/Broker!

Nothing irritates me  more than to try to compare houses without square footage. Someday are MLS will look at this, hopefully! 

Jun 06, 2011 04:23 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Michael, Always amazes me the wide variety in MLS practices region to region.  No room sizes at all?  Wow!

Paul, Our Dayton MLS pulls sq footage from tax database.  The Cincinnati MLS doesn't report it at all.  You have to click elsewhere to pull that info.  Fortunately public record on county auditors' sites.

Jun 06, 2011 04:39 AM
Christine Smith
Buyers Brokers Only LLC - www.BuyersBrokersOnly.com - Canton, MA
Exclusive Buyer Agent & Attorney, Canton, MA

I wish they would do that here!  I have one buyer in particular that has specific need for a certain room size for either a family room or extra bedroom.  It is so frustrating not to have that information.  She had me ask one listing agent for that information & he said he doesn't provide it as he feels if he does not give it, it will get people in the door to find out for themselves.  I suppose it does....and then it also wastes their time if the room is not the right size!

Jun 06, 2011 05:35 AM
Jerry Newman
Brown Realty, 210-789-4216, - San Antonio, TX
Texas REALTOR, San Antonio Military Relocation

Hi Bliz, this is a great step in the right direction for your local board. Thank goodness our local board has had this requirement for sometime now. We just have to still deal with those REOs, HUDs, and VA Foreclosures that only place one photo in our MLS. With more and more buyers shopping on the intranet, it is very useful and helpful to have all those room measurements and additional photos too.

Jun 06, 2011 05:35 AM
Richard Weisser
Richard Weisser Realty - Newnan, GA
Richard Weisser Retired Real Estate Professional

Wow, I hate this requirement. Who measures the house? Who assumes the liability? These sorts of "subjective" measurements are a constant source of litigation nightmares.

Inside from wall to wall, baseboard to baseboard, ceiling to ceiling? What about irregular shaped rooms? I think that room sizes NEVER tell the story about the livability of a house. IMVHO I believe that it is cumbersome and unnecessary requirement.

Jun 06, 2011 05:36 AM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

Bliz, you might like it but i see liability all over the map because unless it's on the assessor's card as such, I really do not think it belongs in the lap of the realtor...the owner yes & to have them sign off as the source would then be fine...I would like to see pictures required here!  They get a hand slap if no pics...glad you're happy though!

Jun 06, 2011 05:49 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Christine, We've had the same.  A long dining room table (family heirloom of course) that HAD to be accomodated.  Room sizes help narrow out.

Jerry, Making it more consumer friendly has to help.

Richard, Maybe it's different here, but almost all of our non-REO listings have full room size detail.  We all know there's a little give and take on those sizes.  Is 13' 6",  13' or 14'?  And the oblong, odd rooms may cause a problem.  Despite all that, we're not having litigation issues.  The standard MLS disclaimer about not guaranteeing accuracy seems to keep everyone calm cool and collected, and it does eliminate showing homes that didn't have a prayer of being bought due to some size requirements.  Sellers don't needlessly get put out & get their hopes up.  We'll have to disagree on this one.

Ginny, Same as with Richard, we and everyone that looks at a home has the ability to verify for themselves the room sizes and livability.  I'm afraid the lawyers have put so much fear into everyone about liability that we're not actually allowed to serve the people we're tasked with caring for.  The MLS disclaimer statement again seems to be adequate to protect the agents measuring and reporting the room sizes.  We can only report in full feet, so a plus/minus 1 foot tolerance should be understood to be safe.

Jun 06, 2011 05:58 AM
Juli Vosmik
Dominion Fine Properties - Scottsdale, AZ
Scottsdale/Cave Creek, AZ real estate 480-710-0739

Interesting.  Here in Arizona, we got RID of that requirement because there were so many lawsuits over SF.  One can still put it in voluntarily, but it's always with the disclaimer that room sizes are approximate and should be determined by buyer if of material importance.  However, that didn't stop the lawsuits. 

Jun 06, 2011 06:03 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Juli, This isn't for overall square footage of the home, but strictly putting in a room's size.  Dayton MLS automatically pulls overall square footage from tax auditor records, so no liability on us for that.  Doesn't affect the overall square footage available from the public records.  Like your disclaimer, and in a rational world that should be enough.  It's not like the buyers typically don't have enough opportunity to measure if the exact sizes are that critical to them.

Jun 06, 2011 06:07 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

David, We'll cite the "everything in California is different when every fourth person is an attorney" clause :)

Once again, real estate is REALLY local.  I do find it sad that the lawyers have taken it to the point that the consumers are actually NOT being served out of fear of being sued over a half foot variation in measuring technique.  And not sure why the floor plan people couldn't be sued too.  Same principle at work, just measuring rooms and reporting results.  Is their skill with a tape meaure that much better than ours?? :)

Jun 06, 2011 06:53 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

David, Exactly.  Money grab is what it seems to boil down to.  I'd love to see the court systems start kicking responsibility back to where it belongs.  Absolute fraud is one thing, but the buyers have ample opportunity to confirm what is important to them during the purchase process.  To come back later and say I was shorted 10 feet or 100 feet, just a shame to even have to spend energy on that.  Livability should trump sq feet anyways.  I've seen big houses feel small and small big, all based on best use of the floor plan.

Jun 06, 2011 07:50 AM
Jane Peters
Home Jane Realty - Los Angeles, CA
Los Angeles real estate concierge services

It sounds like a great idea, and I see the discussion about California, the Great Litigator.  But if one put "totally, totally, totally approximate, do not sue" in the disclaimer, it would be a great addition to a listing description.  Which reminds me, I have to buy a tape measure.

Jun 06, 2011 05:58 PM
Cara Marcelle Mancuso
Golden Girls with SW Desert Homes - Tucson, AZ
Call a Marana neighbor, I'm THERE!

As Juli points out in comment 23, we don't have that requirement in AZ anymore, but I do wish photos were mandatory - at least three!  An agent I work for time to time always rights in her contracts, " If material, buyer to verify square footage during the inspection period"  I thought that was pretty clever and do so in my contracts now as well.

Jun 06, 2011 06:03 PM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Jane, It would seem that there should be some rational way of doing it so that the consumer is served and the agent isn't threatened with a lawsuit over a 2" variation in measuring a room!

Cara, I think in time the photo requirement will expand beyond 1.  That's a nice phrase to add to the contracts.  Is that written in for her buyers, or does she add that when she has the listing?  I know both sides are at risk if the buyers want to get funky about it later.

Jun 06, 2011 11:25 PM
Pacita Dimacali
Alain Pinel - Oakland, CA
Alameda/Contra Costa Counties CA

Glad we're not required (yet) to enter room sizes. What if we're wrong? We open ourselves up to more errors (and omissions) and potential for lawsuits. Better to hire an appraiser who is trained to do this.

Hope this doesn't become a requirement. We have enough disclosures and visual ispections to deal with

Jun 11, 2011 07:45 PM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Pacita, It's funny how the lawyers can get in the way of doing what would actually be a good service for the consumers.  I would think the absence of those sizes might lead to a lot of showings where the buyers go "this room is too small", when if someone had published "9 x 9" they'd have known without a visit.  To each area their own way of doing things we suppose! :)

Jun 11, 2011 11:48 PM