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Brian Brady's morning blog prompted me to write on Las Vegas Condotels and the challenges and risks that the average buyer must face.

oneNow let's say Joe Tourist walks in to a condotel sales development office to learn how he can buy a little piece of Las Vegas and maybe turn a profit.  He is told about Las Vegas average room rates and occupancy (currently hovering at $118/night/90.6%) and the sales agent shows them a little math which brings him to a great number with incoming rents totaling around $3300/month.  Joe Tourist now believes that he can buy this property and make positive cash flow so easily, he wants to make this work!

Joe goes home and ponders over his beautiful glossy brochures and has thoughts of tapping his home's equity to put a sizable down on his new easy money making investment.  He goes to sleep dreaming of sugar plums and scantily clad showgirls dancing in his head.

What Joe may or may not know is that Las Vegas has a couple of dirty little secrets.  No Really?!?!?!  Tell me more! 

Incoming Transportation Issues:

  •  The 1-15 South is a nightmare with Californians pouring in and out on Friday and Sunday.  There have been ideas about constructing a bullet train between Baker and Anaheim, but those are just ideas.
  •  McCarran International Airport traffic is nearing it's Capacity.  There is a proposal to build another airport in Ivanpah valley but that faces it's challenges.  It would also cause more strain on the 1-15 south traffic as it is located near the Nevada/Cali stateline.
  • The drive to and from Phoenix is a 2 and 4 lane dangerous nightmare that they have been working on for over a decade + and it is slightly improved, the hoover dam bypass will be finished soon, but still! 

Substantial Increase of Hotel Rooms from now until 2010:

The hotels are fully aware of the transportation and visitor volume issues and that is one reason why they are creatively transferring risk on to individual owners!

  • They are still making money on their units in the form of astronomical monthly association fees
  • They charge an average of 50% management fees to rent out your property
  • When they are connected to a casino:  they have the ability to cut their nightly rates substantially as volume through their casinos, shops and restaurants will make up for dollars lost.
  • For the most part:  the main hotel will be sold out before the condo units are rented out

What Joe Needs to Know:

  • You cannot get a regular insurance policy on one of these units.  You will need to find a spanishboutique insurance specialist to provide the insurance.
  • You cannot get a regular loan on one of these units, you will, again, be faced with finding a lender who can specialize in these types of loans. 
  • You cannot just buy and flip.  You are not original in this thinking!  You and 25-75% of the owners are thinking the same thing.  Most often than not the whole building will close at the same time and then your little market will be flooded with inventory.
  • Expect a negative cash flow/low ROI for a while until transportation issues are rectified, visitor volume is normalized with supply and inventory issues are worked out.
  • Be prepared to hold for a minimum of a decade!
  • Past performance is not indicative of future gains! 

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10 Comments on Las Vegas Condotels - Sizzle or Fizzle? Losing Bet on Immediate Cash Flow, Placing Your Wager on a Long Term Investment: What Joe Doesn't Know!

NOV
30
2006
292,067 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Please put this in my economics group, Renee.

This is the exact information I needed for Vegas.  What I should have said was that a "condo" on the Strip is perfect to own as opposed to a condotel.

The point I was trying to make was that Vegas luxury condos on the Strip will never be "an affordability risk" as they will be in high demand from the rich and famous for years to come.

Renee has corrected my "very grave miscalculation".  I stand by my "call" that the Strip is the right place to be but will amend the "property type" 

10:37am • #2
292,067 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Renee:

Comment #2:  The transportation issues are key, I'll admit.  However, I believe the buyers of the "luxury-Strip" real estate in the next decade will be exempt from those transortation concerns.  I think Eminem, Kid Rock, and Matt Heaton (the presumed internet billionaire of 2015) will arrive  on private planes. 

10:45am • #3
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Absolutely my point Brian!  If anyone has the cash to ride out all the issues at hand, it's a great investment!
10:49am • #4
292,067 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I am further intrigued that you know "Joe".  I wrote him a letter about 6 weeks ago but I guess he called you!  

I'm going to have to say that great minds think alike here. Renee. 

10:54am • #5
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I apologize and didn't see that blog. I picked Joe because he rhymes with "know".  But GMTA YES! 
10:58am • #6
DEC
03
2006
186,717 Points 7 Featured Posts

Your article was timely and thought provoking regarding my area, -the Mississippi Gulf Coast. thank you.

1:15pm • #7
DEC
17
2006
2 Featured Posts

Great post.

I have owned resort property in Florida and unfortunately, like many others I discovered the Real Math after I was in. It is difficult to know the real estate market if you are only there a short period of time. You are in the "high" of your visit. I am selling my Florida property at a profit, but not without cost.

I always tell people, "If the room is empty, the mortgage is still due".

Thanks Renee.

11:31am • #8
DEC
21
2006
733,769 Points 231 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master
Renee....  this is a good post with some great info about condotels. And from the financing end, they aren't always easy. And if you plan on financing one with 5% to 10% down, it's not the best for an investor now. Rents are still low and their mortgage would be high. Only an investor that could cover his or her losses for 2 to 4 years and then reap the benefits, especially if values go back up again.  
8:49pm • #9
OCT
22
2007
121,054 Points 12 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Renee, I am dead set against condotels. I have clients that are buying them in Hawaii with the same "stars in their eyes" that you describe. I wish I'd had your critique to show them.

A condo that you can put on the weekly rental market makes so much more sense than a condotel. You are absolutely right that the only time the hotel will rent out your unit is when theirs are all occupied.

This is very good information and again I think that you should re-write it today as an up-dated version.

Bill Roberts

11:01am • #10

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