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Great News on the "Produce the Note" Defense

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Real Estate Attorney with http://www.medicalandspaconsulting.com

A federal bankruptcy judge has ruled that a lender must prove that it has the original note in order to receive relief from the automatic stay in bankruptcy and proceed against the real estate.  This has potentially HUGE repercussions in all forclosures and certainly all foreclosures in bankruptcy.

The "produce the note" affirmative defense in one in which a home owner in foreclosure alleges as a defense to the foreclosure lawsuit that the lender does not have the legal right to sue ("standing") because they cannot prove that they have the original note.  Many courts (in my experience it is about 50/50) will dismiss a foreclosure lawsuit when a bank cannot produce the original note.  There was a lot of publicity last year about banks alleging that they had the original note when in fact they did not. In legal parlance that is referred to as a misrepresentation. In my world it is called a lie!! LOL 

In bankruptcy, the minute a petition is filed, all assets are under the exclusive jurisdiction of the bankruptcy court (judge and/or trustee).  Lenders routinely seek relief from the automatic stay in order for them to proceed against the actual real estate under the collateral (mortgage or deed of trust).  Courts routinely grant relief from the stay because as a matter of law, the lender is entitled to pursue relief against the asset. However, this decision now requires that a lender prove that they have standing - prove that they do have the original note.  This will be a problem in a significant number of cases and it will certainly slow the process down.

 

The ruling will have an impact on all foreclosures as attorneys will cite the bankruptcy case in furtherance of the affirmative defense of "produce the note". Trust me, this decision has far broader implications than many believe.

I will relate a bizarre outcome that I had in the OTHER Orange county..Orange County Florida. I had an investor client that owned two condominium units in the same complex. Same price, same lender, purchased at the same time.  Both went into foreclosure at the same time. naturally, two separate actions had to be filed and two different judges were assigned. In both cases, the lender (Wells Fargo) could not find the original notes and we pleaded the affirmative defense that the bank did not have standing to sue because they could not prove that they held the note.

 

I filed Motions to Dismiss once Wells Fargo admitted that they could not produce the original notes. Same brief field, identical facts. You can guess what happened. Judge A granted the Motion to Dismiss and threw out the foreclosure suit and Judge B denied the Motion to Dismiss. This is how it is folks....both decisions are legally supportable.

 

Roy Paeth
Barrett Financial Group - Murfreesboro, TN
Just a regular guy helping real people!

So is this a good thing or a bad thing? I know for the homeowner it appears to be good. The question is does this help or hurt the necessary real estate recovery?

Jun 23, 2011 02:27 AM
Brien Berard
Remax Professionals Laurel MD - Laurel, MD
Maryland Real Estate Agents - Laurel Real Estate

Yes, I agree with several of the comments above.....I am not sure if this is an overall good thing or bad thing.  I like that banks are forced to do due diligence, but they are allow to pursue a debt....sheesh, what a mess.

Jun 23, 2011 02:45 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

When following the letter of the law, you will always find how inadequate it is if that is what you base everything on. There is no way you can regulate the conduct of two or more people to go perfect in writing.... It is the people behind the documents that one should put their faith in...Alas, that is but a distant memory in a country that litigates to settle everything...excellent post and thank you Paddy me boy

Jun 23, 2011 02:45 AM
Shane Cook
My Home Group - Gilbert, AZ
Residential and Commercial Realtor

They should absolutely have to produce the note.  If they can't show ownership of the note, they have no right to foreclose.  The old saying goes something like "posssesion is 9/10th of the law" or something.

Hoping the federal precedence continues to support a "produce the note" environment.

Jun 23, 2011 02:46 AM
Tim Maitski
Atlanta Communities Real Estate Brokerage - Atlanta, GA
Truth, Excellence and a Good Deal

Do you have a link to the ruling?

Jun 23, 2011 02:51 AM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

It doesn't mean the homeowner gets title free and clear. That was the intention of the "produce the note" theory. Until I see homeowners across America actually getting clear title and their mortgage dissolved, I'm skeptical.

Jun 23, 2011 04:09 AM
J. Philip Faranda
Howard Hanna Rand Realty - Yorktown Heights, NY
Associate Broker / Office Manager

I thik the point here is that few, if any, people really want to get out of paying their mortgage. But banks should be held to a minimun standard or we'll have anarchy. 

The same justification is why judges throw out cases against criminals. The guy may be guilty but a conviction with tainted evidence is no victory for justice. 

Jun 23, 2011 04:15 AM
Cory Barbee
San Diego, CA
Broker (760) 563-4022

Great post and thanks for sharing this info...great to read all of the comments...gives me a much better understanding of the post.

Jun 23, 2011 04:33 AM
Paddy Deighan MBA JD PhD
http://www.medicalandspaconsulting.com - Vail, CO
Paddy Deighan J.D. Ph.D

I will be posting replies to various posts later today, but I wanted to briefly clarify one aspect of this case...it was from a BAP (Bankruptcy APPELLATE Panel) and it is higher authority since it is an appeals panel The case as even farther implications that I wil blog about later today as well.  The case and opinion is a very complex read and I will have to require more thoroughly

Jun 23, 2011 04:59 AM
Lorraine or Loretta Kratz
Crescent Moon Realty, Inc. & Land N Sea Auctions. - San Marcos, CA
Certified Negotiation Consultants

Your post was interesting and informative, I find the scenario about the judges to be comical. Should the banks produce the note original yes, when the IRS comes knocking I need to produce every bit of information that they request & it better be the original or else.

Jun 23, 2011 05:44 AM
Justin Dibbs
Fairway Independent Mortgage - Ashburn, VA
Mortgage Advisor

Very interesting indeed.  Thanks for sharing this information Paddy.

Jun 23, 2011 06:06 AM
Bill Gillhespy
16 Sunview Blvd - Fort Myers Beach, FL
Fort Myers Beach Realtor, Fort Myers Beach Agent - Homes & Condos

Hi Paddy,  This seems to come down to the lega intricacies on one level and the moral obligation to repay the loan on another level.  Please do keep us posted.

Jun 23, 2011 06:39 AM
Glenn Freezman
Nucazza LLP & Home Buying Evolution, & Family Abstract, Inc - Fort Washington, PA

There was a time in my title career that we were asked to have the borrower sign multiple notes (Pinnacle mortgage) on behalf of the lender.  we declined and lost the client, They continued to do it and ended up closed because they were selling the notes multiple times.  I believe thats the bigger issue, who actually bought the note?

Jun 23, 2011 07:04 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

"This will be a problem in a significant number of cases and it will certainly slow the process down." 

And that is really all it is - a stalling tactic.  I had a friend a couple of years ago engage in this tactic and it bought her a few more months in order to get her affairs in order.  The bank eventually "produced the note" (not Wells of course) and she was foreclosed on but by then, she had a place to go to which she didn't a few months earlier.  It's just a band-aid attempt to treat a wound gushing blood.

Jun 23, 2011 09:14 AM
Ray Waisler
Finance of America - Atlanta, GA
NMLS #6621 - Specializing in Jumbo FHA & VA

Paddy, most banks subscribed to the MERS system and for the most part assigned the rights to MERS in order to bypass local governmental fees. Most jurisdictions did not recognize MERS' rights to to foreclose after the robosigning fiasco and the banks are left scrambling to find paperework they thought was no longer needed. Oops!

The truth of the matter is sooner or later these foreclosures will take place one way or another.

Jun 23, 2011 11:59 AM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

 

i agree with Donne, this is just another stalling tactic.  The bank should have the note, no two ways about that.  But if the owner is not paying the mortgage, the only thing for the lender to do is to foreclose.

Jun 23, 2011 12:15 PM
Tim Maitski
Atlanta Communities Real Estate Brokerage - Atlanta, GA
Truth, Excellence and a Good Deal

If the bank doesn't have the proper paperwork in hand, then they can't foreclose.  It just means that the loan is now an unsecured loan, like a credit card loan.  The homeowner still owes the money but the bank's position isn't secured by the house.

It's very important to have the proper paperwork before you kick someone out of their home.  Imagine this.  What if I find out my neighbor is behind on their mortgage.  Can I go get a robosigned document and foreclose on them?  You might laugh at that but that's what's happening. 

Jun 23, 2011 03:48 PM
Vince McEveety
Gilleran Griffin Realty - Sherman Oaks, CA

well at least that's clear... lol

thanks for the post

great points to ponder

we don't know it all (i do in my own head) !!!

 

Jun 23, 2011 04:03 PM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

Paddy - I can see how this could have huge repercussions with everything going on in the market today.  We'll have to see what happens.  It should be interesting.

Jun 23, 2011 05:29 PM
Paddy Deighan MBA JD PhD
http://www.medicalandspaconsulting.com - Vail, CO
Paddy Deighan J.D. Ph.D

I posted another blog after further review of the bankruptcy court decision and wil be providing more later as well.  It appears that there is far broader implication to the decision than my colleagues and I initially realized. It appears that lenders may not be abkle to sue on the balance of teh note, but rather, only up to the value - curent FMV of teh collateral. This would effectively eliminate deficienies and greatly improve loan mod an dshort sale outcomes because lenders will be dissuaded from foreclosing....I wil be on a syndicated radio program discussing this in the future...

 

It may  be helpful if someone can recommend this for a feature so that we can continue the discussion on this.  I terminated my upgraded status because of AR improperly charing my credit card for the second time and my personal belief that they need to seriously upgrade the quality of featured blogs (do we really need to hear about so and so's petunias as a featured blog)??  AR was slow to respond to mne and frankly arrogant.  Anyway, there is value, but they need to update servers etc...but lets spread the word and keep this going

Jun 23, 2011 05:50 PM