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On The Edge

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Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

Being "on the edge of disaster" or "on edge" conjures up visions of impending catastrophe or anxiety. Like in a movie car chase, when you are on the edge of your seat waiting for the car to go careening over the edge of the road. Or in a tense scene where the characters nerves are on the razors edge. Edgy comedians push the limits of social tolerance and good taste. In the world of home inspections an edge that is of interest is the edge of the roof.Roof drip edge diagram

The most important thing to me about the roof edge is to know where it is at all times, lest I walk off it. The next point of interest is how the roof edge has been finished.

The roof shingles cover and protect the wood sheathing underneath. What the shingles do not do particularly well is protect the edge of the roof. Water tends to cling to an edge, over time causing wear and eventually decay to occur to the wood trim and sheathing. The solution to this problem is to install a metal drip edge along these vulnerable points.

During a recent home inspection I found a roof that was almost certainly installed by a non professional and lacked drip edges. My first hint of a problem was the "finish" work on the edge of this portion of the roof. That is what I believe is called a droop edge.A droop edge

When I ascended the roof I noticed the wood trim along the back side of the house along the roof looked a bit rough. Upon closer examination the shingles had been trimmed too close to the edge, sort of like over trimming your finger nail, exposing the wood. Of course a metal drip edge was missing. The solution;

Caulk.

As you can see caulk is not a very effective solution to a missing metal drip edge.

No drip edge, no problem, just apply liberal amounts of caulkThe entire roof lacked metal drip edges and was in general unprofessionally installed. It was also worn and needed to be replaced.

Hopefully this time by real roofing professionals who understand what belongs on the edge.

 

 

James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
2010 - 2011 SNEC-ASHI President
NRSB #8SS0022
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
Former SNEC-ASHI President
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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Sheila Anderson
Referral Group Incorporated - East Brunswick, NJ
The Real Estate Whisperer Who Listens 732-715-1133

James you always provide good information and you write well I have been on the edge for a year now. I wish you could fix that. Have a good weekend.

Jun 25, 2011 12:03 AM
Andrew Mooers | 207.532.6573
MOOERS REALTY - Houlton, ME
Northern Maine Real Estate-Aroostook County Broker

Large silver flashings before lots of insulation and ventilation happened are on many older Maine homes. The heat lost hitting cold attic roof and condensation, then icing up the roof edges meant trying something slippery like an aircraft wing to make it slide off, not build up.

Jun 25, 2011 12:18 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Wow, there are so many things to look at!  I had no idea!

OK, maybe a little.

You mean you don't go to the edge and bounce to see how strong things are?  Wimp.

Jun 25, 2011 12:23 AM
Dagny Eason
Dagny's Real Estate - Wilton, CT
Fairfield County CT, CDPE Homes For Sale and Condo

James - Amazing what you fellows see and learn way up there on those roofs!    Thank goodness for your pictures for we ground dwellers!

Jun 25, 2011 12:29 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Shelia, Thank you, you are too kind. Hopefully things improve soon.

Andrew, It's interesting how different areas resolve building problems.

Jay, Keep reading I will try and teach you young man ;)  You mean I'm supposed to jump up and down on the roof to test it? Wow, I had no idea.

Dagny, Not into climbing ladders? I'll teach you next inspection :)

Jun 25, 2011 12:46 AM
Andrea Swiedler
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New England Properties - New Milford, CT
Realtor, Southern Litchfield County CT

Jim, I think that Jay is trying to lay you up for a bit... perhaps he is thinking of expanding into CT... I would take his suggestion and toss it if I were you, LOL.

Roofs can be such a nightmare problem. Homeowners don't look up...

You are featured in Bananatude!

Bananatude

Jun 25, 2011 01:53 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

All too often some of the professionals in this area take liberties with the details,installing the drip edge out of sequence on top of the roofing paper or ice and water shield. It's better than no drip edge but it is not right on the soffit edges..

Jun 25, 2011 03:09 AM
Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi James,

Good graphic and pictures to explain to Realtors how "Being on the edge" really works.

Good post.

Jun 25, 2011 03:12 AM
Peter Schattenfield
Turning Point Estate Services LLC - Wilton, CT
Estate Dissolution and Preparation (203)388-8092 CT.

James, WHAT ???  Caulk doesn't fix everything?

Jun 25, 2011 03:42 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jim,

I see this so often on new homes in this area. I guess that few dollars of drip edge will blow the budget. I am amazed how poor the attention to quality is. I see poor flashing detail all the time.

Jun 25, 2011 04:32 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

James,

I do not think I see drip edges on 90% of the houses here, new old or in between. For the most part we just assume they will not be there. One hopes that the shingles extend out far enough to provide some degree of shelter, without going out so far as to sag. Honestly, I think very few of the roofing contractors even think of this. It is sure not routine.

Jun 25, 2011 05:19 AM
Aaron Silverman
SuccessfulRental.com, Bluewater Property Management, LLC and Lowcountry Turnkey Properties, LLC - Charleston, SC
Improving Real Estate Experience through Education

Small short cuts lead to big problems in the future.

Aaron

Jun 25, 2011 06:12 AM
Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

James, I like the "droop edge" remark.  Or perhaps it was an edge installed by a drip, and thus a "drip edge" after all? :)

Jun 25, 2011 08:35 AM
Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

Oh, just had my roof replaced, and we certainly used drip edge on all edges.  Never had a broken edge shingle in 20 years on the last roof.

Jun 25, 2011 08:36 AM
Julia Maher
Nestings: Connecticut Home Staging and Model Homes - Fairfield, CT
Connecticut Home Stager

...I'm with Peter - Caulk really doesn't fix everything?  What about a glue gun?  Good to know - we're  entertaining bids for a new roof now...

Jun 25, 2011 09:45 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

This is a shortcoming of the codes in my opinion.  I think that these metal edges make a lot of sense---and pretty rare here.  The rake flashings are fairly common but the eave flashings---about 1 in 20

Jun 25, 2011 09:56 AM
Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
VP of Finance, Winslow Homes

To agree with Charles, they make a lot of sense and are more rare than they should be!

Jun 25, 2011 10:10 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Andrea, Thanks for the feature. That Mr. Jay is mischievous fellow. I will keep my eye on him.

Robert, Like you said at least it's there.

Clint, I think my readers aren't just Realtors :)

Peter, As amazing as that may seem, NO! :)

Don, Same here, poor attention to detail.

Steve, That is amazing to me that in your area especially, this detail is regularly left out.

Aaron, How very true.

Jeremy, The droop installed by a drip :)

Julie, A glue gun! Never thought of that :)

Charlie, I would have to agree with you on the code. This detail should be mandatory.

Jeremy, For sure.

Jun 26, 2011 03:07 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Great analogy with trimming your fingernails too short.  I'm gonna have to use that.

Jul 04, 2011 01:35 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Reuben, Thanks, do I get royalties? :)

Jul 04, 2011 12:05 PM