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The Contradiction of the Social Web

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Real Estate Technology with AgencyLogic
I'm increasingly disillusioned with Facebook. I'll take that observation a step further; I'm beginning to wonder if the use of the term 'social' to describe how many people communicate online and via mobile phones is, in fact, tragically ironic.

If you have been reading my blog for any period of time my comments may surprise you because I've long advocated the importance of social marketing and social networking (note: they are two distinct and separate things). In its most simplistic sense it (social) represents free speech and therefore will never go away. But can you have too much of a good thing?

But the future is social! Or is it? Recent news about Facebook provides contradictory data. On one hand you have reports that millions of people stopped using Facebook last month. Then there's data suggesting Facebook will become the Web as detailed on Silicon Alley Insider only last week:

Suggesting Facebook will replace the Web isn't new and marketers seem to agree with evermore companies spending millions to get people to their Facebook business page instead of their Website (See: Death of The Website).

But somethings wrong in Dodge and I find myself increasingly frustrated. When I first started using Facebook back in 2007 I was firmly in the 'What's the point?' camp. But as the months passed by I found that the more I used Facebook the better it became. I connected with long lost friends and they were real friends.

Those months became years and as my 'friend' list grew I noticed something was missing; namely content from the people I really wanted to hear from. As I now reach 1,000 Facebook contacts I routinely hear about friends important life events way too long after they happen and often it's not via Facebook. News simply gets lost in the cacophony of status updates and Foursquare check-ins and recycled daily inspirational quotes. Acknowledging that I cannot have real relationships with that many people I am beginning to realize that the more connected I become the more each relationship is watered down.

As I question the value of social, specifically Facebook, I look at my own path. I used to say that the more you put into Facebook the more you get out of it. I have transitioned to a place where I have to acknowledge that the more connections I have, the greater chance there is of me not seeing anything of value.

Todd Carpenter (Director of Digital Engagement for the National Association of REALTORS) recently unfriended me. At first I have to admit I wondered if I had pissed him off. Todd wasn't an anonymous connection; I had met him in person, shook his hand, spoken to him and we had countless 'friends' in common. We fill the silence with the sounds of our own insecurities (thanks Keen Eddie) and yet I think I'm a likeable person so why un-friend me? Had I put something on Facebook that he found offensive or disagreed with? Was there too much business content on my profile page? What was it?

Todd explained the reason very publicly and while I didn't initially agree with his position I felt better knowing I was not alone in the cull.

I now find myself understanding Todd's position. In fact I believe it's a smart move, something I might replicate.

In his explanation Todd talks about 'the birthday test' ("Facebook will let you know anytime any of your friends on the network is having a birthday. Knowing that, simply look at the people on that list and do one of two things — either plan to wish them a happy birthday, or delete them.") which prompts me to highlight one (of several) issues with Facebook. With almost 1,000 connections am I supposed to wish 'happy birthday' to (on average) three people a day? Of course averages are pretty useless; the reality is that there are some days when I have as many as ten 'friends' celebrating a birthday. At the risk of being called anti-social I really don't want to keep posting 'Happy Birthday!' messages.

Another problem is that people often think posts on Facebook are seen by all of their connections. That's simply not the case especially for anyone with a lot of 'friends'.

And then there are mobile phones. All too often I see groups of people at BBQ's, parties, even dinner spending more time looking at their mobile phone than talking to the people in front of them. I have to say this; that's damn rude! The worst example I have seen personally happened at a wake. There, sitting in the front row just four foot from the deceased, a Realtor friend of mine sat merrily texting and checking email via her mobile phone. Is there nowhere sacrosanct from mobile phone use?

If you'd rather check email, send a text or do anything with your phone than talk to the person/people in front of you:

1. You need new friends, or
2. You are rude and I don't want you to be my friend.

The anti-social impact of mobile phone use is increasing (see: The Double-Edged Sword of Social Media) but it's only part of the problem.

All of this, in my mind, adds up to a rate of diminishing return when it comes to so-called social interaction. We seem to be moving towards an increasingly connected and yet far less truly social population. Am I wrong or am I really being anti-social?

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Anonymous
Anonymous

Agreed!  With all of it.  I feel sorry for Generation Y, X and Z to come.  They don't know what they are missing with real personal connections. 

Jun 29, 2011 09:17 AM
#14
Edward Cooper
Retired Mortgage Banker - Lender Consultant - Homewood, IL
all the best, all the time.

Excellent read, and for a awhile I felt just as you, but I unfacebooked myself over a year ago and have never felt better. 

There is something really great about people to people face to face contact (the phone comes in a distant second place with me).  The more tech savvy I become the more I find myself getting back to the basics, I like people more than electronics.

 

Ed

Jun 29, 2011 09:49 AM
Melina Tomson
Tomson Burnham, llc Licensed in the State of Oregon - Salem, OR
Principal Broker/Owner, M.S.

You just have to set boundaries.  I think I have about 200 friends, and they are all people I know.  There's nothing wrong with only chatting with your real friends on there.  Not everything has to be about business.

Jun 29, 2011 09:57 AM
J. Philip Faranda
Howard Hanna Rand Realty - Yorktown Heights, NY
Associate Broker / Office Manager

Obviously, my recent update on my tuna fish sandwich and diet Sprite was unappreciated. harumph. 

Jun 29, 2011 10:45 AM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

Stephen:

Oh, great.  I am just trying to become familiar with Facebook and I learn it is going out of style.  I am always behind the times.  Thanks for the info.

Jun 29, 2011 10:55 AM
John Elwell
CENTURY 21 Bill Nye Realty, Inc. - Zephyrhills, FL
You Deserve a Full-Time Agent, Not Reduced Results

I have said it before and will say it again. I doubt that many agents will make good money as a result of using FaceBook or Twitter. Their purposes are completely different from what we are trying to do when we promote ourselves or properties. The audience is often too wide-spread geographically and their purpose for being on the sites is to socialize, not buy or sell a home. Is it possible that you will run into a buyer or seller at some point? Sure. And you might also find a gold nugget in your front yard. But I would not spend days digging up the lawn to find it. Use it if you like, but I am still waiting to hear from the agent that gets the majority or even a good number of hot leads from Twitter or FaceBook and has the bank account to prove it.

FaceBook and Twitter are good for what they are. A place to find old friends, keep in contact with friends and family, share experiences, etc. I do not see it every becoming a major driver of real estate sales. No more than a potluck dinner at the townhall would. Social is social.

Jun 29, 2011 12:52 PM
Kathleen Donovan
RE/MAX South County - Charlestown, RI
GRI, CBR, SRES, South County RI Residential Speci

Great questions and musings on this post, Stephen. I'm still not convinced of the merits of "plugging yourself" in social mediums like Facebook......I personally use facebook to connect with old friends and family members......I just can't warm-up to promoting myself there....it seems contradictory to the purpose which, for me, is strictly SOCIAL. (My FB friends already know who I am and what I do----it does not feel right to try to maximize on my bottom line here...)

Jun 29, 2011 01:23 PM
Eric Michael
Remerica Integrity, Realtors®, Northville, MI - Livonia, MI
Metro Detroit Real Estate Professional 734.564.1519

I feel the same as you. FB was weird at first, then overwhelming, not it just is what it is. Do I see everything? Nope. Do I need to? Probably not. I like the Birthday thing, but happy birthday is so impersonal. Maybe go thru your list once a week (month, quarter?) depending on size and write something on their wall. Make them feel like you're actually talking to THEM. Maybe I'LL even start doing that!

Jun 29, 2011 01:56 PM
Christine Smith
Buyers Brokers Only LLC - www.BuyersBrokersOnly.com - Canton, MA
Exclusive Buyer Agent & Attorney, Canton, MA

I like the birthday test - my 16 year old daughter uses this test as well.  She says, if someone sends her a friend request, she thinks about whether she would want to wish this person a Happy Birthday.  If the answer is yes, she accepts the friend request; if not, then she doesn't.  It's pretty simple.  I like to keep my personal FB page for my friends - I like getting the updates on their kids & what is going on with them - especially the ones who live in different parts of the country. 

I have a business page for business. 

Jun 29, 2011 03:02 PM
Elisa Uribe Realtor #01427070
Golden Gate Sotheby's International - Berkeley, CA
Opening the Doors to California Homes -East Bay

Yes, it sounds like you might have 1000 acquaintances but not friends. The other day I saw my sister in law who told me a friend from High School died. I keep in touch with this person socially through other friends so I knew it just couldn't be true. She insisted, showed me her facebook thread and yes, one person said he passed away and many other commented on what a good person he was and how much he would be missed.

I wouldn't let it go. After calling two friends, they got a hold of the guy who supposedly died, and I was able to tell my sister in law so she could clear up the matter on FB. I just think this is awful and it still bothers me just thinking about how incorrect news can follow when people act like cattle and follow and not think.

 

The response from the person who started the rumor? "Oh, that's great news, do you know how I can get a hold of him?"

 

NOW really, that should give you a good idea of how much effort to put into FB if the friends you have are really acquaintances because you really have no idea just how different or stable they may be.

Jun 29, 2011 03:12 PM
Dawn Maloney
RE/MAX Trinity Northeast Ohio Real Estate Specialist - Hudson, OH
330-990-4236 Hudson & Northeastern Ohio

I like facebook. At least I can keep up with people! Plus people don't forget me - they are way too busy,too!

Jun 29, 2011 03:39 PM
Lina Robertson
AMAX Real Estate - Springfield, MO
REALTOR® Serving Springfield, Nixa and Ozark, MO

LOL at Comment #17.  I got tired of everyone harrassing me for posting too much about my business.  I'm trying the business page thing, but it's really hard to keep up with so many websites, blogs, FB, Twitter, etc.  I've just started being me again on FB....and I'm loving it.  Don't get me wrong, people still come to me for their real estate needs, but I'm finding that I don't have to remind them of what I do for a living so much.

Jun 29, 2011 04:33 PM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

Stephen - There's so much to be said for this continuous bombardment of social networking.  It's been said we've escaped the Dunbar number of 150 with it, but I'm not sure this is the case.

Jun 29, 2011 04:38 PM
Lizette Fitzpatrick
Lizette Realty - Richmond KY - Lexington, KY
Lizette Realty, Lexington KY MLS - Kentucky Homes
I've been able to reconnect with old friends that now want me to list homes. It's a winner for me.
Jun 29, 2011 04:46 PM
Sharon Alters
Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - 904-673-2308 - Fleming Island, FL
Realtor - Homes for Sale Fleming Island FL

Facebook has been great for some of the agents in my office - not so much for me. My clients aren't on there!

Sharon

Jun 29, 2011 04:59 PM
Sandy Acevedo
951-290-8588 - Chino Hills, CA
RE/MAX Masters, Inland Empire Homes for Sale

Am I late to the party again? I just my business page name, my 25 people and my blog connected to FB. Back to the drawing board..

Jun 29, 2011 06:41 PM
Tiffany Taylor
Platinum Funding Group, Inc.NMLS-243033 - Irvine, CA
Platinum Funding Group

Thank you for your post.  I don't use Facebook to get new business, I find it much more rewarding to stay in touch with family and friends... But I must admit, I recently received a call from someone I knew in highschool and was asked to handle his financing on his home purchase...

Jun 29, 2011 07:36 PM
Stephen Fells
AgencyLogic - Wappingers Falls, NY
Marketing, Technology, Fun and News!

Thanks for all your comments everyone! :) Let me respond in order of the comments posted:

@Ken - This is certainly not either me having "a bad day" or not being "that into Facebook". I feel this way after four years of Facebook use and I really am into Facebook - my company makes a significant portion of its income via Facebook and I remain a strong advocate of the power of social marketing. My post relates more to the diminishing return of real friendships as the number of 'friends' increases. Separately I see a significant increase in anti social behavior, esp with mobile phones. That in my mind is the contradiction. I often wonder if people with lots of friends (500+) can articulate anything about the majority of them? If you can't tell who a Facebook friend is, how you connected with them, what they do, how they are part of your life (personal or business) then what’s the point of being connected in the first place? They might as well be someone you pass in the mall and I certainly have no interest in participating or sharing my personal activity, on any level, in conversation with total strangers.

To your point "if you did take the time to wish those 3 people "Happy Birthday" every day, it would benefit your business" my answer is 'perhaps'. I agree with Eric's comment that the message seems a little un-personal now. Ultimately I have to look at all the things that will benefit my business and many (many) are better than a Facebook post.

@Rhonda - You echo some of my own concerns as I have three children (6, 8 and 10); they all use Facebook and the oldest wants a mobile phone. I'm OK with the Facebook part (they only play games and are fully supervised) but the mobile phone is a fight. I will win because I set the rules but it's difficult because that child's own social circle increasingly use mobile phones. Even at 10/11 they all sit around texting all day. So one concern I have is that communication is heading away from in person conversation, even away from talking on the phone, to a place where people sitting pounding on mobile devices with their thumbs. In my mind it all looks Neanderthal and not evolutionary - it certainly isn't my idea of 'social' :)

@Curtis - I strongly advocate using Facebook for personal and business reasons but take a look at 'lists'. They allow you to group people and to control what they see.

@Phil - I love you (and your tuna sandwich) like a brother! :)

@John - I think there is business to be made on Facebook and twitter but let's not drink the kool-aid. It takes time and sometimes a lot of it. See Erica's comment and she is not alone. I think it's a case of allocating enough time to social marketing to make it work. 'Enough' is defined by you and your business objectives.

@Elisa - You identify another problem; instant information with no real mechanism to check its authenticity. I often call people out when they start a sentence with "They say..." Who is the collective genius of "They"? There are certainly issues around instant information and I fear it will get worse.

@Sandi - You aren't late, just have a plan :)

To the many that commented about the importance of good old fashioned (did I really say that?) in person conversation and phone calls "Thank You!" for making me feel normal and not anti-social :)

Jun 30, 2011 01:02 AM
Morris Massre
Pembroke Pines, FL
Real Estate Instructor Broward County Florida

Unfortunately, this is the world we live in now.  But, until something better comes along to market ourselves I guess this is all we have.

Jun 30, 2011 02:49 AM
Amanda Christiansen
Christiansen Group Realty (260)704-0843 - Fort Wayne, IN
Christiansen Group Realty

Very interesting blog!  I have been using Facebook to attract business for a few years now and have had the same thoughts about online relationships being "watered down" with the more friends you gain. 

I have around 3,200 friends and have found myself putting on more of a show than truly connecting with people.  It works and consistently generates closed deals, but it isn't as personal as it once was. 

 

Jul 05, 2011 02:52 AM