Introduction

Increasingly, lenders are making loans in amounts that become too difficult for borrowers to repay.  Given the unparalleled increase in prices for real estate in California during the last few years and the impending economic slow down, many of these borrowers may not be able to fulfill their mortgage obligations.  When a borrower is no longer in a position to make the mortgage payments, is facing foreclosure and the current market value of the property--including escrow costs--is less than the loan on the property, the borrower may consider a short sale.  This could save the lender the expenses of foreclosure proceedings and from having another REO property on its books.  From the borrower's perspective, the short sale prevents having the foreclosure on the borrower's credit history, and releases the borrower from an obligation that he or she can no longer afford.

In essence, a short sale is a sale transaction subject to a lender's approval in which the lender consents to a sale of the security interest for less than what is owed on the note and accepts the proceeds in full satisfaction of the loan amount.  A short sale requires much paperwork and preparation on behalf of the borrower.  Typically, before applying for a short sale, the seller must have a ready buyer and all the paper work prepared to present to the lender.  The buyer of the property must also be prepared for a protracted time period to conclude the purchase of the property.

I.  Lender's Options Upon Borrower's Loan Default

Q   1.  What options does a lender have on a debt secured by California real property if the borrower does not make the payments on the loan?

A  A lender may foreclose on the defaulting borrower's real property which secures the loan.  There are two types of "foreclosures" available to a lender:  a trustee's sale and a judicial foreclosure.  (Bank of Italy National Trust & Savings Assoc. v. Bentley, 217 Cal. 644 (1933).) Technically, a trustee's sale is not a "foreclosure" but the term has been used for both a trustee's sale as well as a judicial foreclosure.

For certain loans, a lender has no choice and must conduct a trustee's sale.  With a trustee's sale, a lender cannot go after a deficiency judgment.  A deficiency occurs when the current market value of the property is less than the loan on the property.  See Questions 3 and 4 for more details.

The lender may also be able to pursue "guarantors" of the debt who have signed written guarantee agreements (not including the borrowers).

Q   2.  What other options may the lender consider instead of foreclosure when the borrower is delinquent?

A  Depending on the situation, a lender may consider one of the following:

Loan Workout:  Basicly, a loan workout is any resolution of a problem loan between the lender and borrower that modifies the original loan agreement.  Some of these options include forbearance (e.g. forgiving a portion of the debt or late charges); deferment; renegotiating interest rate, monthly payment amount, principal amount, maturity date; or the enforcement an acceleration clause in the loan. 

Deed in Lieu of Foreclosure:  After the borrower is in default, the borrower voluntarily delivers title to the lender for consideration and the lender accepts the conveyance of the property in full satisfaction of the mortgage debt.  Using this method, the lender saves the costs of foreclosure and the borrower avoids having a notice of default on his/her records.  (Hamud v. Hawthorne, 52 Cal.2d 78 (1959).)
 
Short Sale*:  A short sale is a transaction in which a lender allows the real property securing the loan to be sold for less than the remaining mortgage amount due and accepts the proceeds as full payment of the loan.  A lender may accept a short sale when the borrower is in severe financial straits and market conditions make a short sale the best choice to mitigate the lender's damages.  Like a deed in lieu of foreclosure, this saves the lender the costs of foreclosure and the borrower avoids having a foreclosure on his or her credit report. 

Short Payoff*:  With a short payoff, the lender accepts less than the remaining mortgage amount as full payment of the loan.  The property need not be sold. 

*Note:  Some lenders do not differentiate between a short sale and a short payoff.

Q   3.  What is a deficiency judgment?

A   A deficiency judgment is a judgment obtained by the lender in court against the borrower for the difference between the unpaid balance of the secured debt and the amount produced by sale or the fair market value of the security, whichever is greater, in a judicial foreclosure. (Cal. Code Civ. Proc. § 726 (b).)  A lender may obtain a deficiency judgment only with a judicial foreclosure.  With a trustee's sale foreclosure, the lender cannot go after a deficiency judgment.  See Question 4 for more details. 
 
Q   4.  Can a real estate lender obtain a deficiency judgment against a defaulting borrower following foreclosure?

A  It depends.  California has "anti-deficiency statutes" that protect certain borrowers from deficiency judgments.  Under those circumstances, a lender would opt for a trustee's sale foreclosure which is quicker and less expensive than a judicial foreclosure.  A trustee's sale foreclosure does not involve the courts. Generally, there are five situations in which a deficiency judgment is prohibited:

1)  Purchase Money.  If the loan is obtained to purchase a residential 1-4 unit dwelling all or part of which is owner occupied and the loan is secured by that property, the lender may not obtain a deficiency judgment against the defaulting borrower. This loan is entitled to "purchase money" protection.  (Cal. Code Civ. Proc. § 580b.)  Note, however, that should the buyer refinance the home, the new loan is no longer "purchase money."  Thus, the buyer would lose the protection against a deficiency judgment in the event of a default.

2)  Seller Carryback.   If the purchase money loan for any type of real property is financed by the seller and secured by that same property, the lender/seller may not obtain a deficiency judgment against the defaulting borrower/buyer. (Cal. Code Civ. Proc. § 580b.)

3)  Trustee's Sale.   A lender may not pursue a deficiency judgment against the borrower should the lender opt to foreclose by a trustee's sale foreclosure (a non-judicial action).  (Cal. Code Civ. Proc. § 580d.)

4)  3 Month Time Limit.   An action for a deficiency judgment must be brought within 3 months from the time of judicially-ordered sale.  (Cal. Code Civ. Proc. § 580a.)

5)  Fair Value Limitations.   A deficiency judgment is limited by the difference between the amount of the indebtedness and the fair market value of the property, unless the actual sale price exceeds that value.  (Cal. Code Civ. Proc. §§ 580a, 726 (b).)

When a deficiency judgment is permitted, the lender may obtain one only following a judicial foreclosure, or when the security has become valueless (such as when security for a second trust deed loan is wiped out when the first trust deed lender completes its foreclosure).  Holders of a junior deed of trust (second, third, etc.) should note that if the "wiped-out" junior lien is not purchase money or seller carryback, then the junior lien holder may sue on the note and the borrower on the junior loan may be personally liable.  (Roseleaf Corp. v. Chierighino, 59 Cal. 2d 35 (1963).)

Q   5.  Can a lender avoid the foreclosure process and just sue the borrower on the note (i.e., treat it as an unsecured note)?

A  No.  A lender cannot sue on a debt secured by a mortgage or trust deed except for a judicial foreclosure.  This is called the "one action rule" or "one form of action rule." (Cal. Code Civ. Proc.  § 726.)  One exception to this rule is if the security for the loan has become "valueless" after the lender's security interest was recorded (e.g., a "wiped out" junior lien holder).  In this case, the lender can sue directly on the debt (note) unless the borrower's loan falls into category 1) or 2) in Question 4.

Q   6.  Why would a lender agree to accept a short sale?

A  Lenders may have ample incentive to negotiate a short sale with a distressed borrower. For example, should the lender take back a property pursuant to a foreclosure sale, the lender would become responsible for a variety of costs, including property maintenance, utilities, HOA fees, and might risk destruction of the property by vandalism. Furthermore, lender-owned properties (REO) may take a long time to sell, in part because so many REO properties are now for sale.
 
A lender will typically evaluate the financial situation of the borrower as well as current market conditions to determine whether or not to agree to a short sale. It is really a business decision for the lender to determine whether it would receive more money by accepting the short sale, or completing a foreclosure, reselling the property, and pursuing personal liability (i.e., deficiency judgment against the borrower and/or claims against guarantors, for loans on which those remedies are available.)

II.  Effect On Borrowers of Short Sales

Q   7.  Does a short sale adversely affect a defaulting borrower's credit rating?

A  Yes.  Lenders will report the short sale as being settled for less than the full balance.  This would show up on the borrower's credit report as a negative mark for seven years.  (Cal. Civ. Code § 1785.13.)

Q   8.  Suppose the borrower is late with his/her mortgage payments, causing the lender to begin the foreclosure process by filing a notice of default. Before the foreclosure sale occurs, the borrower pays the lender what is owed on the note. Could these activities appear on the borrower's credit report?

A  Yes. The lender can report to a credit bureau receipt of any payments made 30, 60, 90 or more days after their due date. This may appear on a borrower's credit report as a "foreclosure in process," "foreclosure proceedings," "current was 30," or in some other way. Any such terms, or other similar reporting comments, harm that individual's overall credit rating.

Q    9.  Is the method by which lenders report a short sale a negotiable item?

A  Typically, no.  The short sale is usually reported to credit reporting agencies as settled for less than the full balance. However, a borrower may try to negotiate this at the time the short sale is being arranged.
 
III.  Disclosure Requirements in Short Sales

Q    10.  Must a real estate transfer disclosure statement be given to a buyer in a short sale transaction?

A   Yes, if the property being sold is a residential 1-4 unit dwelling and the transaction doesn't fall into one of the regular TDS exemption categories. No exemption exists for a short sale transaction in which the borrower sells the property to an outside buyer, using the sale proceeds to pay off the lender.  See Question 3 of the legal article, Transfer Disclosure Statement Law, for a list of all the exemptions from the TDS requirement.

Q    11.  Must other disclosures be given to a buyer (or seller) pursuant to a short sale?

A  Yes.  Short sales are treated just like any other sales transaction.  See C.A.R. legal article, Sales Disclosure Chart for REALTORS®, for a summary of the disclosure requirements.

Q   12.  Suppose a distressed seller enters into a contract to sell his/her home to a buyer pursuant to a short sale. Should the listing agent inform the lender if and when other offers are made on the property?

A   Probably.  Although the lender is technically not a party to the real estate contract, lender approval is nearly always a contingency of the agreement. Therefore, REALTORS® should obtain the client's permission to keep the lender apprised of any relevant developments, including the presentation of other offers.

Q    13.  Should a listing agent working with a distressed seller attempt to negotiate a future listing agreement with the lender?

A  No. Listing agents working with distressed sellers owe them a fiduciary duty. Since in a short sale situation a lender could choose to foreclose on the seller, the lender's interests are potentially adverse to the seller's interests. Attempting to negotiate a future listing agreement with the lender raises the issues of "to whom is the agent's loyalty devoted" and "has the agent violated the fiduciary duty he/she owes the seller." The safer practice is to avoid putting oneself in such a position.

IV.  Other Issues

Q   14.  Are there any tax effects of a short sale?

A  Yes. The tax implications for the borrower could be so significant that a short sale would not be in the borrower's best interest.  Before a short sale is contemplated, it is strongly recommended that the borrower seek the advice of a professional tax advisor.
 
Generally speaking, any relief of indebtedness is included in gross income. There are, however, some exceptions to this rule that may benefit a taxpayer involved in a short sale.  For more information on the tax implications of short sales, see the CAR legal article, How Short Payoffs and Foreclosures are Taxed."

Q   15.  What is the process for applying for a short sale?

A  It is always in the best interest of the borrower to keep the lender informed.  If the borrower is in default of the loan and is contemplating a short sale, it would be best for the borrower to let the lender know before the foreclosure proceedings are well under way.  The lender may or may not grant more time to the borrower to find a buyer.  In general, the process goes as follows:

  • First, the borrower must find a buyer for the property.
  • Second, the borrower must prepare all the necessary documents.  See question 16.
  • Third, the borrower must submit all documents to the lender.
  • Fourth, the lender will send out their own appraiser to make sure that the buyer's offer is at fair market value.
  • Fifth, the lender will make a determination on whether or not to agree to the short sale.

Q   16.  What documentation will a lender typically require?

A  Lenders will typically require a distressed borrower to furnish a variety of documents, which could include the following:

  • Written explanation (and proof) of the hardship the borrower is experiencing;
  • Copy of the purchase contract signed by both the buyer and seller (borrower);
  • Copy of the TDS;
  • Proof of the buyer's ability to purchase the property, i.e., a completed loan application, pre-approval by another lender, or evidence of cash on hand (bank statement);
  • Copy of the certified escrow instructions; 
  • Preliminary title report;
  • Estimated net/closing statement certified by an escrow officer acceptable to the lender;
  • Completed and signed IRS Form 4506, "Request for Copy of Tax Form;"
  • Completed and signed personal financial worksheet;
  • Previous two years tax returns;
  • Employment paycheck stubs for the past two months;
  • Profit and loss statement (if the borrower is self-employed);
  • Past three months' bank statements.

Q   17.  Where can I obtain additional information?

A  You may consult the seller's lender directly about their policies and what is required to apply for a short sale of a property.  The internal departments that handle short sales differ by lender.  You may try asking for the problem loan department, loan workout department, loss mitigation department, or foreclosure department.

This legal article is just one of the many legal publications and services offered by C.A.R. to its members. For a complete listing of C.A.R.'s legal products and services, please visit C.A.R. Online at www.car.org.

Readers who require specific advice should consult an attorney. C.A.R. members requiring legal assistance may contact C.A.R.'s Member Legal Hotline at 213.739.8282, Monday through Friday, 9:00 A.M. to 6:00 P.M. C.A.R. members who are broker-owners, office managers or Designated REALTORS®  may contact the Member Legal Hotline at 213.739.8350 to receive expedited service. Members may also fax or e-mail inquiries to the Member Legal Hotline at 213.480.7724 or legal_hotline@car.org.  Written correspondence should be addressed to:

Courtesy of: 

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The information contained herein is believed accurate as of November 28, 2006. It is intended to provide general answers to general questions and is not intended as a substitute for individual legal advice. Advice in specific situations may differ depending upon a wide variety of factors. Therefore, readers with specific legal questions should seek the advice of an attorney.

 

61 Comments on Short Sales

DEC
02
2006
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wow. this was the best I have ever seen on short sale information.  Thanks

Dave

10:00am • #1
Yes it is certainly useful right now. I am seeing more and more short sales.
11:52am • #2
FEB
09
2007
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An excellent resource. Foreclosure practices, including preforeclosure short sale workouts, may differ from lender to lender, state to state, and in some cases, from county to county.
8:04am • #3
FEB
25
2007
Good post. Short sales are complex and likely to become more complex as lender deal with more and more of then in the coming months and years.
4:01pm • #4
MAR
05
2007
Thank you so much for this information.  I have looked everywhere and have not found anything as clear and informative as your article.
Michelle Clark
7:11am • #5
MAR
08
2007

If you go to http://www.lenderimplode.com/ it shows you the lenders that are in trouble and the lenders that went out of business in 2006.  So far the number is 33.  I love short sales and their are going to be many more in the future.  To learn more about short sales go to http://www.FreeShortSaleSecrets.com

Cory Barnett
2:18pm • #6
MAR
12
2007
For a great E-Book on real estate short sale go to: http://www.DiscoverShortSales.com
Cory Barnett
11:19am • #7
MAR
16
2007
Thanks for the great info. on short sales.  Usually you have to pay to get this kind of information.  http://www.foreclosureuniversity.com has some great information on short sales as well.  They have a fantastic forum too.
Lance Black
8:40pm • #8
MAR
26
2007
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Luke Humphreys
9:37am • #9
APR
03
2007
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Clear and concise.  Thank you for the detailed explanation.  Very helpful and true to what I've experienced out here in Kansas.
9:13am • #10
APR
12
2007
Hey, this was great information!  It seems like now-a-days realtors are throwing around the term "short sale"...infact, today alone two different realtors asked me if a recent listing I have with a bank property was a short sale.  I responded by saying, I'm not real sure, I get confused with what a short sale is...BOTH of these realtors told me they really didn't understand the term either.  I'll send them here!
11:35pm • #11
APR
15
2007
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Great info.  Where exactly does a Real Estate Brokers commission fit into the picture?  If I have a home listed that is at a set commission rate, and we have a good offer, yet the seller will still be doing a short sale, Where does the money come from for the Commission?
9:02pm • #12
That is a good question. Technically your listing agreement will show the seller owing the Broker a set percentage commission, but as you know you will have a short sale it is up to you and the bank to negotiate any commission payable out of the sale proceeds once the bank has considered any offer you receive.
9:40pm • #13
APR
23
2007

Up until last week I had not heard of a short sale in Real Estate...Then I heard the term 4 times...So I searched AR knowing I would gain some valuable insight...

Thanks so much...

1:07pm • #14
APR
28
2007
Great post. How likely is it that the bank will not pay the full commission agreed upon in the listing agreement?
5:52pm • #15

It is always at the banks discretion as to what they will allow. You must always state in your listing that all terms, commissions etc are subject to bank approval.

Glad you found it useful.

Graham

6:16pm • #16
MAY
05
2007

Very basic article, yet good for the price(FREE).

Short Sales are basic. To do Short Sales right you should learn whole selling as well as foreclosure.

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Sean
1:29am • #17
MAY
07
2007
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In a short sale, as well as any real estate transaction, everything may be negotiable including the deficiency left after the sale.

8:46pm • #18
MAY
08
2007
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This information came in handy today for my client.
11:38am • #19
MAY
10
2007
Thanks for taking the time to post this. I found it very informative with the market going the way it is. 
4:39pm • #20
MAY
14
2007
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Wow! Thanks for the information written down.  I do short sales and have been pretty successful with them, but there is always that one lender on that one property that just sends you through the roof.  I have one now that is bad, was good at first but has turned bad. 

My first buyer fell through due to the changes in the lending going on, so that turn out bad for us because the lender got upset.  By upset they simply shut down on the negotiation so when I sent them another offer (and this one was for cash) they turned it down the early morning of the trustee sale.  Yes, after they had sat on it until that morning, they finally answered the phone and said no to the offer.

I just got off the phone with the migation manager and he was a __ hole and said he would not entertain a short sell because the buyer went and file bankruptcy and now that is going to cost him more money and he will not end it with a short sale.  So what do you do from here.

It is clear to me that the lender got upset because the seller did file a bankruptcy but that does not stop the short sell process.  The lender could end it all by accepting the offer, the buyers want to close quick and that would that.

So what I feel is going on here is "personal" feelings have entered into the situation and that is not good. But there is nothing we can do about this, is there?

HELP!

1:21pm • #21

Hi Rosemary

You are right it does sound like it got personal for the Mitigation Officer. There are only a couple of things you can try. First call him and try to reason with him (be nice) explain that is in the Banks best interest as well, not just the client. If that fails try to establish if he is speaking from Bank policy or just being a jerk. Then find out who his manager is and try to go around him, again explaining your case clearly and politely.

Good luck

Graham

2:01pm • #22
MAY
26
2007

I have just called our lender Countrywide and a short sale package is on it's way out to us.

What should and shouldn't we say in our hardship letter?

What advice do you have to get this over with asap?

 

Thanks

Carie
6:19pm • #23
MAY
27
2007

Hi Carie

I will give you a full explanation tomorrow and soem tips on how to prepare your hardship letter.

Kind regards

Graham Holmes

Mission Grove Realty

4:39am • #24
MAY
30
2007
The first thing to remember in a Hardship Letter is to be to the point. Do not write your life story, just clearly state in bullet points what the key issues are. Remember to be polite to the bank, you will achives more this way.
2:17pm • #25
JUN
12
2007

Wow, nice site.  My husband and I am purchasing a home with a short sale and have no clue what is going on.  We don't know timeframes, etc. although we gave the lender until the 20th of this month to get back to us.  We are preapproved, love the house and are just waiting on pins and needles for the sellers lender to say yes or come back with additional requests.  The 1st mortgagor won't be out any money but the 2nd mortgage lender will be shorted money as the listing price itself wasn't enough to pay them off.  The only drawback so far is even though my husband and I are preapproved for more, we couldn't ask for any decorating allowance to help us with the purchase of things we need after we buy the home.  Our lender said it was possible to do it but nobody knows how.  At this point and after reading this, I don't want to rock the boat.  The sellers agent says that there should be no problem with any of the short sale but they sure are taking their time.  Ironically, this is me and my husbands first home purchase.  Thanks for the info.  I actually work in mortgage but not in the default section so I am clueless.  Any advice for us? 

7:10am • #26
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Good luck with your short sale request.  The lenders normally take their time and they do not work off of your timeframe!  If they run over and get close to the trustee sale date, that is the time to be alarmed and maybe have someone call or you call if you are representing yourself because if they do not get back to you "prior" to the set trustee sales date -- you have lost the bid!  The house will go up for sale on the court house steps and unless you have a cashier's check in hand, you won't be able to bid on it there.  At least that is how it works in California.

Did the seller send in all the required paperwork to request a short sale?  Hardship letter, pay stubs, bank statements, maybe w2 for last year or tax return or both, and sometimes the bank ask for a form to be filled out by the seller.  If this is all done, all you do is wait and perhaps go fishing for another home in case this one is turned down or not responded to -- this way you will be ready to do it all over again with another house.

Again good luck.  Short sales do work, just an extra step or two and the hassle of the waiting game. Sounds like you did all you can do.

11:30am • #27
JUN
14
2007
Thank you thank you thank you, great synopsis!
6:45pm • #28
JUN
15
2007
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Another suggestion: fill out the Addendum to the Residential Purchase Agreement to be sure all points are covered and that you have covered yourself.  It is pretty clear in all the points needed for a short sale.

and that you have filled out "Authorization to Receive and Convey Information"  ARC 4/04.  This will give you authorization to discuss the situation and not put your client's business out on front street when they didn't want you to do that.

2:35pm • #29
JUL
30
2007

I need your help.  We are looking at doing a short sell but I'm a little nervous.  Last year we refied our house (conventional loan) with the intent to sell in a couple of years.  We have lived in our CA house for aprox. 8 years as our primary residence.  Now we want to sell and my mortgage is upside down or close to it.  Also I'm not sure if I have a recourse or non-recourse loan.  An agent signed us up for a short sale but I'm concerned about posible repercussions that may result.  My questions are:

1. How do I avoid tax penalties?

2. Can I request that the lender not report negatively on my credit report, and when or how should I do this?

3. How do I avoid a deficiency judgement?

Thank you for any assistance you can give.

kelly
7:26pm • #30
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I had to come back to this one.  Great great is all I can say.  I am rating it a 5.  Great reference.  Thanks again.
8:06pm • #31
I went though a bad divorce and refinance my house 2 years ago.I am a self employed contractor a nd because of the slowing housing market I have been forced to take on other employment and I can no longer afford my house payment .I have been told if you owe 300.000 on your home and the bank only gets 200.000 for it you will be 10-99 fore the remainder  100.000 is so can a tax lawyer negotiate with the i.r.s to bring the cost down?      Thank you
mike
11:57pm • #32
JUL
31
2007

I have just posted a new blog relating to Tax Implications for Short Sales. Obviously you should still consult your Tax Consultant or CPA but this may give you some more information on the subject.

Click on this link to view it TAX IMPLICATIONS OF A SHORT SALE

12:39pm • #33
AUG
02
2007

I understand the the lender will want the realtor's comission reduced in a short sale. Is that true and if so how much of a reduction?

My next question is: Is the real estate agent representing a buyer for the property as well as the borrower(owner). Does the agent involved with the short sale have the right to market and list the property after the short sale has been completed with the lender?

2:40am • #34
From my experience a lender will typically allow a comission of 5% to be split between the agents. I don'tnow of any reason why you can't list teh property for sale again. However in California you cannot represent an investor as a purchaser in a short sale.
11:35pm • #35
AUG
05
2007
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We specialize in short sales but have never seen such a comprehensive description of everyhting invovled. 

 

Thanks for an excellent post I just flagged it to be featured!

Alex & Cadey

5:13pm • #36
AUG
16
2007
I need help! My husband and I purchased a house in the bay area, CA, 2 years ago. Interest rate on first loan is adjusting from 5.25% to 8.5% this coming month, which means $1200 more a month on mortgage payment, which we simply cannot afford (for more than a couple of months). Because of the market these days, we cannot get a reasonable rate with re-financing either (jumbo loan, 95% LTV, etc). Selling the house is not an option either, cheaper houses across the street have been on the market for months, and what we can get if we sell the house won't cover the amount owed on the first and second mortgage. My question is that, I owe $460K on the first mortgage, $80K on the second mortgage, which (first or second) mortgage company should I contact to see if they would accept a short sale? We might be able to get $500K at the most for the house, after all the fees, the left of money might cover first loan in full, but definitely we will be short on the second loan (provided that the first loan will get the money first, and whatever is left over will be taken on the second, I don't know how that works). And how can I find out if my first and second loans are recourse loan, or non-recourse loan? From reading this blog, that seems to be the determine factor whether I need to pay tax on the amount of money that is forgiving in a short sale, right? Any help is greatly appreciated! I am stressed out...
julia
2:39pm • #37

Hi Julia

Your first course of action is to speak to both lenders and see if you can agree a workout package. They may agree to allowing lower payments for a time or even renegotiate the payments altogether. If that doesn't work then call me 951 927 8940 and we can discuss you options. At that point I would also consider contacting your CPA to give you advice on the tax consequences. A non recourse loan, typically is one that was used to originally purchase the home. A refi is usually a recourse loan.

Don't stress I will try to help find a way forward for you.

GrahamHolmes  Realtor e-Pro Vice President Mission Grove Realty

Serving Yucaipa, Hemet and all Surrounding Cities

3:28pm • #38

Hi Graham:

Thank you sooooo much for the quick reply and the information you provided! I will speak to both lenders to see if they can give me a break of some sort and help me out of this situation, till I can re-finance the property when things calm down. I wrote down your number, and an advanced thank you for willing to help us out!

Julia :)

Julia
6:42pm • #39
AUG
21
2007

I really appreciate all the info on this site!!  My husband and I put in an offer on a short sale earlier this month.  Their realtor thought it would take around 20 days to hear back (should be around Aug 29).  In the mean time, we will close on our home sale on Aug 31 which means we will have to move into temporary housing.  We love this house and can't even look at others without knowing if this one will work out.  We offered $5K less than the purchase price two years ago.  The sellers financed 110% of the loan, so the 1st mortgage will be ok but the 2nd mortgage will lose $42K.  That being said, we have two questions:

1.  How does a short sale work with two banks?

2.  How long should we wait before looking elsewhere?  We can wait if we get the house, but not knowing where we are going to live is stressful.

Karen Winhusen
6:47pm • #40
AUG
27
2007

A short sale with two banks can be tough as the first will not want to give a dime to the other. The second bank may then decide not to negotiate. A short sale can take many many weeks, so be patient.

5:22pm • #41

Thanks for the info, short sales will be big for the next 18 months or so.

Take care!

RJH

10:32pm • #42
AUG
30
2007

Hi

I am trying to short sale a property. I need your advice. Please help. I lost my job and had to relocate. The loan on the property is 275,000. The offer I have is 240,000 with 5000 credit. What are the chances the bank would accept. Would the bank come back after the short sale goes through (in case they agree). Would they contact my employer. Would they check on my 401k and ESOP. Will I able to able to lead a normal life like renting an apt, using cell phone, having cable connection?

 Thanks

Arun
10:52pm • #43
NOV
23
2007

Hello ALL!

I have found some useful information on this site and thought I would ask some more questions...

I currently have a home with a first, second AND third. My first is with Countrywide, and my second & third is with Washington Mutual.

I'm looking to do a short sale, but have no clue how to go about it with the fact that I have 3 different loans with two different banks. Who gets paid first?? Who decides who gets paid what amount????

Any info would greatly help! :)

I also heard that Countrywide have repayment programs. I would love to keep my home if Countrywide would let me pay a small portion of my loan each month, and repay them when I get back on my feet - Is this repayment program fact or fiction????

 

Thanks in advance

Jeremy

Jeremy
7:11pm • #44
JAN
03
2008
Too high mortgage, want to sell but can't sell it for what we owe, what should we do? shortsale/foreclosure/rent/keep??
HI,
We bought our current house in the fall of 2005 with 5% down, 80% loan and 15% interest only adjustable equity line loan. Unfortunately my dh couldn't get stable income for the half year of 05 and 2006, we lived off of the profit money when we sold our old house that we were going to pay off 15% equity loan. Since dh got a job with a salary a lot lower than before and needless to say, our current both mortgage payment is almost 85% of our take home pay (around $2200).  
Now with the market, we can't sell this house for what we owe or rent to our monthly mortgage. My dh refuses foreclosure or damaging his credit. The loan is under his name, the house is under both of our names. We are in mid 30s with two young kids.  In the case of shortsale, I don't know if we still need to pay closing costs and Realtor fees? Also I heard that we need to pay tax on the forgiven amount of loan to IRS as a income tax. We can barely pay mortgage every month and the rest expense is paid using credit cards.  If we sell this house, it will be a while until we can afford to buy a house again (due to lack of down payment and possibly higher interest rate)...and also we will lose on whatever we already paid down toward this house (down pmt+ monthly menial principle amt).
I'm also thinking if I can find a family who wants to upgrade then we can swap the house, maybe, but don't know what is involved. Still they wouldn't pay for what we owe. Which option is the best to go? My dh wants us to wait until the market become better and sell it (if I still want to move), just pay mortgage each month but I'm thinking we are slaving to this house. We can't do anything other than paying the bills. No extra things for our kids...
BTW, I don't care for the neighborhood we are in and would like to move even though I like the house itself.
Thank you for your suggestion.
Worried
3:25am • #45
JUN
12
2008
164,632 Points

I have done two short sales and am negotiating another now.  After this one I am done.  I refuse to show or list another.  It isn't worth the trouble and aggravation.  I will refer them to another agent.

6:20am • #46
DEC
10

Great Post! I may be crazy but I love doing short sales!! Actually just ran a ad to try to get more short sales.

9:59pm • #47
DEC
13

Wonderful post!!  I have sellers who are looking to put their home on the market.  In over their heads, they realize that they cannot keep it after owning only a year.  He recently lost his job, and before that, they spent 50% of his income on the mortgage.  In this market, the home is not going to sell for that BREAKEVEN point they are hoping for.  I have reduced my commission to 2%...but still they will need to pay about 10K in realtor fees plus the title policy for buyer.  I think we will end up having to negotiate a short sale with Countrywide.  Any advice on negotiations would be appreciated. I have never done a SS before.

 

9:00pm • #48
DEC
17

Thanks for the information. I am doing short sales in Michigan and have found that the information varies depending on the state and the person relaying the info. Thanks!

7:43am • #49
DEC
19

I would have to agree.  I know a lot of short sales and but said it very simple and to the point.  Thanks :) You also answered a lot of the questions that I have recieved and I'm going to refer to this blog.

 

Thanks

Claire

www.hopehomebuyers.com

Interested in learning how to obtain a unsecure business line of credit? Email me: Claire@hopehomebuyers.com.

5:47pm • #50
DEC
31

I just completed the Certified Short Sale Professional course. Your right on all targets with all that a short sale entails. It is very detailed oriented and time consuming, but it is todays market.

 

Thanks for all the advise,

Jeanne

Jeanne22
12:42pm • #51
JAN
10
JAN
17

Hello Graham, I belong to a group "Carpe Diem Partners, LLC". Carpe Diem offers a FREE negotiation service for your clients that are willing to entertain a "short sale". We market to Realtors in ALL 50 STATES and we are in the initial stages of compiling our database of Realtors for RECIPROCAL BUSINESS.

I AM LOOKING FOR AGENTS IN YOUR AREA TO REFER LISTINGS TO and I am also looking for Realtors to provide me with their short sale leads, so we can negotiate on behalf of the their clients FOR FREE. Once again this is a FREE SERVICE, there will never any upfront fees of any kind.

Carpe Diem is a buy and sell company, not buy and hold company. Carpe Diem is able to make CASH OFFERS to the bank, so we expedite the process rather effectively; this allows us to streamline the process as much as possible.

 Carpe Diem has completed over 500 successful short sale transactions, and currently holds over $37M in escrow.

The process typically takes 60-120 days from front to back. All Realtors are still entitled to their 2.5% commissions on all of their listings.

Carpe Diem has the ability to MONOPOLIZE THE INDUSTRY with a proven system that avoids the title seasoning, so Carpe Diem can resell to an end buyer without any conflict from the lender's under writers.

 This method is performed by their in house title company and is 100% legitimate. The method has been introduced to Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac and is actively in motion, the strategic model has been proofed by attorneys and escrow agents in the state of Colorado and it can be implemented in ALL 50 STATES.

If you are interested, I would love to talk to you about getting started. I simply provide you with an informational lead sheet, (email me for one, josh@josh-david.com) and  send it back w/a CMA and we will have an approval w/in 24-48 hrs.

As of next week, you will be able to track the short sale progression in its entirety online.

Peace, Love, and Happiness to a PROSPEROUS "09"

2:04pm • #53
MAR
13

Check out www.ShortSaleNation.ORG. It's a FREE online short sale, self service tool for agents and their clients. You don't need to interact with anyone and you are in total control of your short sale.

12:57pm • #54
MAR
17

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Priscilla McFadden
5:09pm • #55
MAR
24

Very thorough and informative post Graham, good resource.

We buy in CA but more so in AZ and CO. Luckily we've been able to automate our system and have over a dozen short sale negotiators, so we've experienced a lot of these bumps!

Business is GREAT over here! :)

Tracy Royce

www.LiveFreeInvestmentGroup.com

 

 

Tracy Venezia-Royce
4:02pm • #56
APR
08

Working short sales has been tough and this article helped answer some questions. We have been able to help families close short sales while others...have lost out due to a lender..not cooperating with the short sale. We have found that if the home is priced correctly...and the seller qualifies..than..it gets done..

 

Andrew Max Value Realty

111 W. Center st.

Pomona, Ca 91768

909-622-3222

ANDREW DELAROCHA
11:29pm • #57
APR
26

You have done a great job of pointing out most of the aspects of a short sale.  However most short sale negotiators won't even consider a short sale file unless there is an offer.  We are an investment group that are looking to buy houses.  If you have any short sales that aren't getting the traffic from buyers give us a call.  We would be happy to submit an offer to purchase.

 888-219-8619

http://www.buyersofcharlotte.com/short-sale.htm

3:54am • #58
MAY
03

This is great information I have passed it onto my clients that are in pre-forecloser. 

8:55pm • #59
MAY
04
3 Featured Posts

Thank you!  I work with short sales in WA state and this information even though a chunk of it is for CA, is helpful. 

 

Keep up the good work!

2:16am • #60
MAY
16
I live in Illinois and started the short sale process in January, 09 with my primary loan (a Fannie Mae Loan) from Bank of America. I also have a 2nd on my home through National City. National City agreed to the amount Bank of America would give them, even though substantially less than what I owed. As of May 15th, Bank of America has STILL not come to a decision on whether they will grant a short sale. During this time I have had 4 different offers on my home but because of the problems with Bank of America, each one has fallen through. I have my 5th offer now but the timeline for that contract is soon to expire. I have called repeatedly to get the process finalized so that my home could get sold. Finally, an analyst called yesterday and said I had to agree to the fact that Bank of America can order a deficiency notice anytime within a ten year span. In all of these months of negotiation, I never was told about this possibility. His supervisor concurred that I could in fact be held liable since it was a Fannie Mae loan. I don't see anywhere in Fannie Mae policy where this is stated- has anyone heard of this? Can anyone offer suggestions to get this short sale processed? I desparately need out of my home. Thank you!
DJ
11:31pm • #61

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