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What’s the Significance of Predicting a Housing Bottom?

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With almost 25 million unemployed or underemployed and with consumer confidence feeble at best, what’s the significance of predicting a housing bottom?  Will it mean that home prices have stabilized and that the housing crisis and recession are over?  Does calling a bottom mean those who have been “fence-sitting” will be rushing out to write purchase agreements?  We have to look no further than recent sales activity to see that consumers won’t be enticed into purchasing by pronouncements. 

 

game boardBut some financial “experts” have recently stated that housing has finally reached its bottom, that the price declines we’ve seen during the past 5 years are officially over.  Others dispute such claims, citing several reasons why housing will remain in the doldrums for the remainder of 2011.  The end result is confusion among those who have homes to sell as well as those who may be considering purchasing a home.  For those two groups, what’s the significance of predicting a housing bottom?  In reality, there is none, not for buyers or sellers, and not for those of us who are just looking for improvement in the economy. 

 

Predicting a market bottom is nothing more than speculation, a somewhat educated guess, but a guess nonetheless.  In reality, it’s unimportant to predict the bottom in housing or any market, for consumers won’t be buying until they see real improvement in the economy; and for now, that seems almost an unreachable mirage.

 

The big problem is jobs; and while our “leaders” claim to be doing all they can to create jobs, their efforts have been fruitless.  Not only are we not creating enough jobs to begin eating away at our incredibly high jobless rate, we’ve recently added more to the unemployment line.  The loss of 7 million jobs during the recession added to the 8.6 million who have been forced to work part-time continues to slow the economy in ways not fully evident.  Additionally, the number of people working part-time for economic reasons remains at the highest level in more than 50 years.  That leaves more than 15 million people struggling to make ends meet; and their financial plight effectively removes them from the housing market—some of them forever.

 

Yes, we can call a housing bottom, and we can predict when home prices will stabilize.  For those on Main Street, however, such exercises are meaningless.  With an economy far from recovering from the worst recession in decades and teetering on the brink of another, predictions of stabilization may make for interesting headlines; but they’re only wishful thinking. 

The reality of this economy is that a true recovery in housing cannot occur until we provide good jobs for those millions whose current focus is buying this week’s groceries.            

Take a look at the graph from Calculated Risk to see how far we have to go in employment. graph of unemployment

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Ruthmarie Hicks
Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605 - White Plains, NY

Also - the bottom depends so much on where.   All real estate is local - and the economy has become more and more regional as well.

Jul 08, 2011 03:53 PM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

John, great post. I heard recently that the real numbers of unemployment are more like 30%. That takes out a huge group of people who aren't able to buy homes. I agree, what's the point of determining where the bottom is if unemployment continues like it has.

Jul 08, 2011 08:27 PM
Fernando Herboso - Associate Broker MD, & VA
Maxus Realty Group of Samson Properties - Clarksburg, MD
301-246-0001 Serving Maryland, DC and Northern VA

Just accept the fact. . 

That most likely the rest of our lifetimes. . we will be in a slow recovery period with ups and downs and most probably die before we see a balanced equity in our own homes. . yikes! 

Jul 09, 2011 12:16 AM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

John, I read that Warren Buffet said that the economy will pick up after the housing market recovers.  I thought that was kind of strange as I think the housing market will recover after the economy picks up!

Jul 09, 2011 12:16 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

If you lose a finger, you still got nine left..If you lose an eye or an arm, you only have one left....Some things that when they break or are lost, cannot be restored....America...the land of opportunity worked real well...Wall street, investors and people at large saw opportunities galore and milked the cow until it died...No more milk, no more cow...Some things just dont come with a second chance....now that's shocking! Enjoyable post John

Jul 09, 2011 01:29 AM
Lina Robertson
AMAX Real Estate - Springfield, MO
REALTOR® Serving Springfield, Nixa and Ozark, MO

Excellent post, as always, John!  I've been watching the unemployment numbers myself.  Nothing will change until new jobs are created.  We used to produce things, manufacture things.....we're turning into a service-oriented country, and our economy will never thrive based on service-oriented businesses.  We need to bring our jobs back to America!

Thanks for sharing!

Jul 09, 2011 02:17 AM
Melissa Zavala
Broadpoint Properties - Escondido, CA
Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County

That's a crazy little graph, and it does look like we need to work on jobs.

Jul 09, 2011 02:58 AM
Mike Carlier
Lakeville, MN
More opinions than you want to hear about.

Certainly there are people who are barely able to survive, much less go shopping to buy a home.  Of the remaining 85% of us, home buying is a little like shopping for a refrigerator.  You only do it if you need one, or another one.  You still shop for the best value, but ultimately you will buy the refriferator (or house) you need now.

Knowing when we've hit the bottom in home prices is important if you are a home builder, or if you are investing in the stock of a home builder.  It's irrelevant if you need a house, or if you are thinking of trading your present home for one that fits your family or your ego better than what you have now.  Those folks  waiting for prices to change in order to trade houses are bordering on stupid, as the value of both old home and new one will rise or fall in tandem. 

Regarding employment and job creation, government cannot create jobs in the private sector.  It can inhibit the creation of jobs, and we are witnessing government's stellar performance in that regard.

Jul 09, 2011 03:16 AM
Michael J. Perry
KW Elite - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster, PA Relo Specialist

12+ months ago politicans were promoting the possibility of a jobless recovery, right !

Jul 09, 2011 05:16 AM
Ken Tracy
Coldwell Banker Residential - Naperville, IL
Helping clients buy and sell since 2005

Hi John.  I often wonder why NAR needs an Economist...

Does anyone listen to Lawrence Yun?

Thanks for writing,

Ken

Jul 09, 2011 06:34 AM
Ray Waisler
Finance of America - Atlanta, GA
NMLS #6621 - Specializing in Jumbo FHA & VA

John, the only reason for these "experts" to predict anything is simply to bolster their egos or pockets. In any event it's meaningless.

To your point on unemployment, most folks do not realize that by sheer basis of the birth death ratios we need to add 150,000 jobs monthly just to stay even. Having said that, rather than adding a dismal 18,000 jobs in June we actually lost 132,000 jobs.

Jul 09, 2011 07:59 AM
John Mulkey
TheHousingGuru.com - Waleska, GA
Housing Guru

Ruthmarie - Very local. Some areas hardly noticed the crisis, while others will never recover.

Pamela - Such predictions are similar to "rearranging the deck chairs."

Fernando - Startling possibility, but probably accurate.

Gabe - I read the same comment and Tweeted a reply just as you commented. Housing can't recover without jobs.

Richie - Accurate but disturbing analogies.

Lina - And too many of our "leaders" seem to be ignoring the obvious.

Melissa - The graph makes it easy to see exactly where we are and how far we have to go.

E.J. - And the true bottom will only be recognized after it has passed.

Michael - And for me a jobless recovery is no recovery at all.

Ken - I actually refer to some of Yun's predictions for a bit of comic relief.

Ray - And that's a statistic that politicians would prefer that we not know.

Jul 09, 2011 08:26 AM
Michelle Francis
Tim Francis Realty LLC - Atlanta, GA
Realtor, Buckhead Atlanta Homes for Sale & Lease

John, 

That is truly scary.  We are way down, worse than anytime in my life and surprising that worse than anytime in anyone's living lifetime.  

It's bad.  Housing bottom has not been reached.  Certain markets are stabilizing, but not going in any strong upwards positions.  They will NOT be able to do that without jobs.  

All the best, Michelle

Jul 09, 2011 03:00 PM
John Mulkey
TheHousingGuru.com - Waleska, GA
Housing Guru

Michelle - And as the market continues to evolve, the return to "normalcy" will hardly resemble a recovery.

Jul 10, 2011 03:35 AM
Rob Spinosa
US Bank - Larkspur, CA
Mortgage Loan Originator, Marin County

The "we'll see a housing recovery when the job market picks up" argument is getting a little long in the tooth, don't you think?  I have been saying for some time that we have the equation backwards and I was pleasantly surprised this week to find that no less than Warren Buffett agrees with my point.  I blogged about this here:  http://actvra.in/dHw

In other words, we'll get a jobs recovery AFTER we address the housing economy.

If there is any doubt about this stark reality, you can look no further than the origin of our current state of affairs.  When the housing market collapsed, it took employment with it.  I understand it's not all this simple, but we need look no further than Friday's BLS employment report to support that we are not going to see a broad recovery while housing remains in a depression.  To continue to put the cart before the horse means most commenting here are indeed correct.  A housing bottom is still in the undefined future. 

 

Jul 10, 2011 04:43 AM
Anonymous
Elise Groves

great post John - housing won't recover until people feel more confident in their 'job' situation.  The crazy thing about the 'unemployment' figures is that independent contractors, like 95% of the real estate industry is, aren't even counted in any way shape or form.  And how many good people in our industry just can't hang on any longer and wait out this awful recession? They have watched their 'jobs' leave. They didn't leave the industry, the industry left them.    We need to all be prepared for an extended lenght of belt-tightening.  It hasn't been 'fun' for quite awhile and I am afraid we just need to be prepared for a longer recovery period.

Jul 10, 2011 06:10 AM
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John Mulkey
TheHousingGuru.com - Waleska, GA
Housing Guru

Rob - While I respect many of the accomplishments of Warren Buffett, I read his comments and respectfully disagreed.  How will it be possible for housing to recover with 20 million plus unemployed?  

In past recessions housing has been the driving force that pulled up employment--new construction and all the industries that it supports--but the collapse of the housing market came about because of a crisis in the credit markets; and that separated this recession from others.  And yes, housing will remain in the doldrums for years--not because Realtors THINK people need meaningful employment in order to purchase homes, but because it's true.

Elise - I agree and have posted on the independent contractor problem several times.  The realities of our unemployment situation is that it's worse than most realize.

Jul 10, 2011 12:31 PM
Brian Madigan
RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage (Toronto) - Toronto, ON
LL.B., Broker

John,

I understand that last month there were only 18,000 new jobs in the US. Keeping it in perspective Ontario reported 28,000 new jobs.

Brian

Jul 10, 2011 02:00 PM
Donnie McKinney
Purchase Realty Group - Paducah, KY
Donnie McKinney CCIM, Purchase Realty Group

Great graph! That really tells the tale.

Personally, I don't think real estate will reach the bottom for another 18 months to 2 years. There are a lot of factors, however, that could change things dramatically. It would be great if our leaders would do something that encourages job creation, instead of trying to kill the economy with all the currency creation and debt that we can't sustain.

Jul 10, 2011 04:36 PM
John Mulkey
TheHousingGuru.com - Waleska, GA
Housing Guru

Brian - And that's a sad perspective.

Donnie - Yes, it would be great if politicians would address the issues that matter instead of wasting time playing partisan politics.

Jul 10, 2011 11:19 PM