What's Going On With The Real Estate Market?

It seems like I am asked this and many other questions from both buyers and sellers on a daily basis. Are home prices going to continue their decline? Are interest rates skyrocketing back to 10%? Are lenders going to keep going under? What about foreclosures?

There is no simple answer, yet hundreds of experts on the subject. I don't claim to be a so-called expert but I don't see how these "experts" can sit behind their desk and estimate. The truth is you can't compare one market to another like most experts do. So let's take one question at a time.

Are home prices going to keep going down?

The basic answer is yes. The complicated answer is yes, but here is the best part. From what I can tell 2007 was the worst year for real estate and probably the worst part will be over by April 2008. Homes have fallen an average of $50,000 across the board from their highs. I feel that the average price over the next six to nine months will drop another $10,000 to $20,000 before stabilizing and by the end of 2008 beginning of 2009 the prices will start to rise at 2-4% annually.

Home sellers are still going to have to give incentives both to buyers and their agents to get their home sold. They are going to have to list with someone who has experience in getting homes sold in a "down" market. No more can an agent put a sign in a yard, put it on the MLS and get it sold in 2 days.

Buyers should not be afraid to buy, if they are buying for long term. Most first time buyers live in their first home for 3-5 years before upgrading. By then they have enough equity to put a down payment on their new home and are used to making a payment every month and getting the tax breaks.

With the price declines and low interest rates buyers should not be sitting on the fence waiting until the worst is over. They should be jumping in to get the best possible price and interest rates to go with it!

Are Interest Rates Skyrocketing Back to 10%?

No. Interest rates are adjusting for several reasons. First, the sub-prime mortgage market mess. No longer can lenders give you a loan with the only qualifications being, 1) you have a pulse, and 2) you have a credit score. Lenders made a mistake in lending to anyone and also taking on more debt than assets.

Second, the foreclosure aspect. Bad lenders and brokers making loans to people who could not afford them to start with and then knowing they would adjust in two or three years, probably forcing them into foreclosure. Most of those lenders didn't care since after they got their commission checks their job was done.

The third factor is the scared investor. After a typical loan is funded they are then packaged into a bundle of 100 to 1000 loans and sold to investors who collect the interest on the money. These are called mortgage-backed securities.

There are several problems here. First being that investors wanted a higher rate of return on their money so they invested in the sub-prime mortgages that would yield an average 6-7% return on their money. Not bad since the highest savings account paid an average of 4.5%, and they had the collateral (the house) to back it up. Prices were rising so fast that even if they had a few go into foreclosure, they could probably sell the house for more than was owed, still making money or breaking even.

Enter the problem. House prices started falling and foreclosures started rising. Houston....We have a problem. Now we have loans worth more than the house is worth (being upside down) and all the investment companies are going under or stopped buying the mortgage-backed securities. This creates the problem of having too little cash flow coming in to lend to people and more going out. The effect is interest rates start to rise, but not to a level of 10%. I think they are going to stick between 6.5% and 6.75% for a typical 30-year fixed conventional.

(I could go on about this but I think I made my point)

Are Lenders Going to Keep Folding?

Here is what I see happening in the mortgage market. Most of the sub-prime lenders are going to disappear over the next year or start doing "Alt-A" loans (better credit with nominal risk). No more lending to people with below average credit and no assets.

Conventional lenders are going to stick with doing conventional & jumbo 30, 20, 15 & 10 year notes with a few Adjustable mortgages remaining around, not investing in sub-prime markets. The so-called Option ARM's will be going the way of the do-do bird for the most part. A few will remain for investors or people with a loan-to-value under 70-75%.

100% Financing will be changing. You will need full documentation (no more stated-stated), need lots of verifiable reserves (3-6 months), and credit scores above 680 for all borrowers.

FHA is going to be coming back in the next three to six months if President Bush signs the bill increasing their limit to $500,000 in higher priced counties and $417,000 for other counties. Also they are going to add some new programs and reduce some or most of their fees. Also I think they are going to be helping people in bad mortgages to re-finance, although I think it is six to twelve months away.

Are Foreclosures Going to Keep Rising?

Yes, but only for a little while. The next twelve months are going to be crucial since there are lots of hybrid mortgages that are going to convert to adjustable mortgages in the next 12-18 months. However, if FHA is going to start helping borrowers out of bad loans and into a standard 30-year fixed (or perhaps longer terms to avoid payment shock) then foreclosures will stabilize and so will the market.

Overall I see 2009 as the Real Estate Market stabilizing back to normal with prices rising an average of 2-4% annually and interest rates around or below 7%. The foreclosure mess will stabilize and start dropping again to normal levels.

Charles Tharp

 
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28 Comments on What's Going On With The Real Estate Market?

Amazing your post is featured without comments...I like it...So what advice do you have for real estate agents for 2008? Just wondering...

Karen Monsour, Realtor, Fort Lauderdale, Fl

10/16/2007 08:11 PM by Karen Monsour,RealtorĀ® Coral Springs, Parkland, Ft. Lauderdale, FL. Broward Co (EXIT Team Realty)


Are home prices going to continue their decline?

Yes.

 

Are interest rates skyrocketing back to 10%?

10%? No. Maybe 8%, 8.5%, tops.

 

Are lenders going to keep going under?

Of course!

 

What about foreclosures?

You ain't seen nothing yet. ARM adjustments will peak in January 08, forclosures will peak about a year later.

10/16/2007 09:27 PM by Robert Kerr (Kerr Financial)


Well if you're right, 2009 can't come soon enough for all of us.  Great post!

10/16/2007 09:50 PM by Diane Bell, Hilton Head Real Estate, Bluffton (Charter 1 Real Estate, Hilton Head, Bluffton, SC)


Charles, Thank You For Being a Realist! I'm tired of hearing agents say, "It's going to go back up" This will be ending soon. Housing prices are on the rise! Its not true, they are lying and the home consumer that is getting a good deal with actually buy something if its a good deal. Those who continue to over price and list homes... Well... You are wasting your time. No one will buy or even show your homes.  You hit it right on the nose Charles.. Keep up the good work.

 

Chris

10/16/2007 10:16 PM by Chris Smith (Surterre Properties - Newport Beach)


I hope you crystal ball is accurate -- It sounds like there is light at the end of the tunnel.

10/16/2007 10:59 PM by Joan Whitebook, ABR, e-Pro, CEBA (Buyer's Option Realty Services)


Joan I agree with you. I don't believe in psychics but for some reason,I really liked everything that was written in the post.We need this real estate market to stablize immediately. Great post.

10/16/2007 11:07 PM by Lanre Folayan "Buy a home in Washington,DC" (EXIT PREMIER REALTY)


Like I have said many time before this is a great market,

Once you educate your buyers, they become excited and ready to own a home. I am calling all my buyers from a few years back who was pushed out of the market and letting them know, now is an excellent opportunity to own a home. I am currently working with a healthy number of buyers and investors.

I tell my clients the market is normalizing. It's the truth, the last three years was insane. 

10/16/2007 11:43 PM by Frank Harris (Keller Williams Select Realtors)


Hey Charles, great post. I agree with you 100%.

In our market (Atlanta), the housing market was so down in the past few months. You know Georgia is always number 1 or 2 in the foreclosure market. And for many sub prime lenders went out of the business due to the bad loans they gave to home buyers few years back, Atlanta housing market hit another record low since 2005. Now many lenders make it more difficult for buyers to qualify for the loans. So, we have so many inventory on the market. I just checked today that there are currently over 100,000 homes on the market in Metro Atlanta. This is not included new homes. Though there are less qualified buyers, sellers are still hoping they can get top dollar for their home. I think the DOM will be much higher in the next few months.

For the buyers have a good credit score, they still can get a very good rates (6-6.25%). I recommend buyers now is a good time to buy since we have so many homes on market. Definitely buyer's market. For smart buyers, they can get instant equity by buying a great home or investment property, why not go for it?

10/17/2007 12:05 AM by Linda Liu, CRS, Metro Atlanta (RE/MAX Communities)


I think you are optimistic about the foreclosure market, all signs indicate we have only seen the tip of the iceberg. That has a ripple effect on local markets.

10/17/2007 06:03 AM by Christina Bennani (RE/MAX Colonial)


I like your optimism; I too am an optimist. I hope you are right, but I also think what you are saying is kind of a "Best case Scenario". I give you props for saying things like "from what I can tell", "I feel" & "Overall I see", which reminds us that this is your opinion, not fact.  Again, I (SINCERELY) hope you are right!

10/17/2007 07:21 AM by Bruce Miller-RealtorĀ® (RE/MAX Town and Country)


I think you're right on with this assessment.  Sure hope you're right!

10/17/2007 07:23 AM by Diane Bell, Hilton Head Real Estate, Bluffton (Charter 1 Real Estate, Hilton Head, Bluffton, SC)


Charles,

Thanks for taking the time and laying it all out for us in one place.   Your assessment is one of the best I have seen and I agree with the market bottoming out next year and coming back in 2009.  As a home inspector I am sick of all the over the top optimism from realtors saying that it's turning around now.  Fact is that everytime I think we've hit bottom, it keeps getting a little worse for my realtor clients and for local real estate.   Locally, new home builders are way over extended and the enormous incentives they are offering to sell their inventory is really pushing down existing homes. 

10/17/2007 08:06 AM by Bill Duncan (Home Status Inspection Company, LLC)


Charles, I love hearing how different areas in our country have been impacted by this market.  I understand in CA your's has been hit harder than LA.  I would like to suggest that you qualify your comments because real estate is local and many areas have not experienced such a dramatic downturn and some are actually very strong.  North Carolina/the Charlotte area is now considered one of the top markets in the country!

10/17/2007 08:11 AM by Lake Norman Real Estate ~ Diane Aurit (RE/MAX at the Lake)


I agree that real estate is local. Certain local areas can get an economic boost that will turn the real estate decline around.

But the recent climb in prices was almost national.  Especially in the big cities.  If this increase in prices did not have an local economic foundation, (an underlying reason for the rise in prices), then I think those areas will continue to decline for several years.

I live in a micro-economic climate, (Alaska only has about 700,000 people), and I'm in an area with only 70,000 or so.  Our increase in prices mirrored the rest of the nations but at a lower level.  We averaged about a 71/2 percent increase over 7 years.  

I'm hoping that a local mini-boom in commercial and industial business will turn our current slowdown around...we will see. 

10/17/2007 08:22 AM by Marty Van Diest, Your Alaskan Realtor (RE/MAX of Wasilla)


Charles - Very nicely written!  Like Marty, right above, I live in Alaska but a bit farther south.  My city has 30,000 people and it's geographically removed from the outlying areas (for now).  Our market got a little crazy too and we are seeing prices adjust.  However, we do have a lot of commerical activity going on with new stores coming to town and a very low unemployment rate.  Our market did not begin to decline until last winter but I think our turnaround will happen this next spring.

10/17/2007 10:52 AM by Debbie White, RE/MAX of Juneau, Alaska (RE/MAX of Juneau)


Good post.  Markets are truely regional. 

10/17/2007 12:58 PM by Garrett Smith Fairhaven Realty, Bellingham WA


WOW.... Thank you for all of the comments. I was surprised that I started my blog and was already featured on the home page.

I wanted to respond to a few of the commenters on a few things.

First, when I stated that home pries had dropped $50K across the board, I meant for my area, not nationally. Sorry about the confusion there.

Second, I wanted to comment on Christina's comment "I think you are optimistic about the foreclosure market, all signs indicate we have only seen the tip of the iceberg. That has a ripple effect on local markets."

Well In my opinion it is all depending on several factors. First, if the FHA bill passes and will start bailing out homeowners from their bad loans and help them save their homes, then the foreclosures will actually start stabilizing or going down. However, the problem with that is FHA may have to increase their debt-to-income ratios to help these buyers keep their homes, allow them the higher ratios based on the fact that they could make the payments on the original interest rates, or extend the normal 30-year terms to help keep their payments in a reasonable range, perhaps a combination of all three. 

Lenders are running so behind (at least in my market) that from start of the foreclosure process to trustee sale, it is taking an average of six months, sometimes longer. If that holds true then FHA can still help them out if they choose to do so, which I think they will.

After watching President Bush's speech this morning I think it is only a matter of time before the bill is on his desk. Not to mention the fact that he basically told the senate and congress to get off their butts and send him the bill already so he can sign it.

Again thank you all for the comments and support!

10/17/2007 05:21 PM by Charles Tharp ~ Inland Empire Real Estate & Short Sale Specialist (Prudential California Realty)


Great article. Real estate is definitely local and many foreclosures are still to come. 

10/17/2007 05:25 PM by Jayson Gibson (NewHomesSection.com)


Great post with a lot of insight into all aspects of the market and what effects it.

10/17/2007 07:26 PM by Joshua Talayka (Chase Internatinonal)


I hope you're right!

10/17/2007 11:37 PM by


Things will change in 2008 for the best.

10/19/2007 12:23 PM by Henry J. Bruce (Firstteam Real Estates)


Charles, congrats on being featured, and a well thought out post.

I'm feeling confident that FHA reform will come to pass. It's the needed buffer that could prevent the worst case scenario (foreclosure spree for the next couple of years). Also, their is hope that Fannie and Freddie will follow suit (raising limits), AFTER the FHA safety net is cast. This could definitely bail-out higher priced areas from certain death from the foreclosure mess. Recently I've heard the administration wants to see greater Fannie/Freddie accounting oversight before this is allowed. Personally, this has more to do about whether FHA is there to safety net the market, distributing risk more evenly between the three most solvent players (FHA, Fannie and Freddie).

10/29/2007 08:06 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Charles, quick clarification - I heard it passed the house 347-72, I meant to say that it will get signed and in acted.

10/29/2007 08:09 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


      Oakhurst (CA) and Mountain Area Single Family Home Sales

        Six Month Period Ending October 31, 2007­with Month-to-Month and Year-to-Year   Comparisons

   (Compiled from MLS Records)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. of

Sales Prev.

Year

No. of

Sales This

Year

Percent Change

From Prev

Year

 

Median Selling Price Prev Year

 

Median Selling Price This

Year

Percent Change From Prev. Year

Percent Change From Prev.

Month

May 07

34

32

-6

333,750

356,000

+6

+7

 

June 07

 

40

33

-13

375,000

325,000

-13

-13

July 07

 

36

31

-14

329,950

350,000

-6

+8

Aug 07

 

25

23

-08

355,000

380,100

+7

+9

Sep 07

 

Oct 07

38

 

30

24

18

-37

-40

329,500

 

377,000

349,950

 

405,000

+6

 

+7

-8

 

+12

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last 6 Mo.

May-Oct

 

 

203

 

163

 

-20

 

350,000

 

355,000

 

+1

 

 NA

Last 3 Mo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aug-Oct

93

67

-31

355,000

374,000

+5

NA

 

Sales for the 6 month period in 2007 were down by 20 percent. The median purchase price was up by 1 plulita

percent over last year. 

 

The last 3 months showed a decline in unit sales of 31 percent with median selling price up by 5 percent over last year

 

Most of the homes on the market today are priced above what buyers are willing to pay for them. The median asking price of homes in our market, as of November 1, was $439,000, or 24 percent above the median purchase price over the past six months.  As of November 1, our inventory of single family homes on the market stood at 491; down 7 percent from the September 1 figure of 527. Our average number of sales per month, over the past six months, is down by 5 percent from 29.5 to 27. That gives us an 18 months supply, unchanged from last month.

 

Disclaimer:  MLS records are presumed to be accurate, but not guaranteed

11/03/2007 10:19 PM by Home Prices in Oakhurst (CA) area Holding their own


Good stuff.  I agree with you and what you've written.  I know we'll all be happy when the roller coaster we've been riding levels out!

03/07/2008 10:50 AM by Greg Steffens (Coldwell Banker Sky Ridge Realty)


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