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My wierd closing... Who is wrong?

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Here is a weird one....  I am the buyers agent on this one.  My only non-distressed sale since 2008 that I was only the buyers agent for.  I am now very distressed.

My buyer was looking for a very cheap home or an owner carry.  We had been looking for a while.  On May 5, 2011 a nice little owner carry popped up with good terms.    My client liked the home and offered.  There were 2 offers and it was an estate sale and the sellers weren't prepared to do anything until some stuff with the estate was settled.  My buyer offered slightly better terms and hoped for the best.  We waited and waited extending the acceptance date over and over again.   Finally on May 26 we came to terms.  We had a signed contract.  A bit later we were told that 2 people would need to sign the closing docs to sell the house but we would catch up with everything at closing.

Fast forward to June 24, 2011.  We are finally ready to close.  My buyer comes to closing. The original signer comes to closing.  The other signer does nothing.  He doesn't sign the docs, email, phone or anything.  Title tries again and again nothing.   Meanwhile my buyer sells his manufactured home on a rental lot and moves in (since we were just waiting on Fedex) with permission of the seller who signed.  My buyer fixes some plumbing and puts up a fence.

Around July 1 I am getting pretty antsy.  I ask the title officer pointed questions about their contact with the other signer.  I am not convinced that he knows we are looking for him.  I do an internet search for him and pass the information I obtain to the listing agent and the title officer.  By now I have the permission from the listing agent to contact both sellers (signers).  I make my attempt and am ignored (my search yielded 2 other emails, a work address and a work phone number and a facebook account).

On July 6 he contacts the title officer with tax questions and basically tells us yes he knew we were looking for him.   More attempts to contact him by title and his sister that are ignored.  More addendum's to extend closing are written and signed by sister. I have started cc everyone with pointed messages asking for a timeline and reminding them that this is a real estate contract and "time is of the essence" I ask the other agent to try to contact the brother and she claims since he didn't sign the buyers rep that she feels uncomfortable  contacting him.  The listing agent is very busy with her out of town family.

On July 12 I am cc on a email from him to his lawyer talking about forming a legal entity.  I write him and the lawyer cc everyone on his original letter asking whether he intends to sign the contract and for a timetable if he does.  The sister and the other agent are very pleased with my questions.  I called the sister and she reports that her brother is not responding to her calls or emails.  Today I wrote the lawyer, called the other agent and her broker.  My buyer is frustrated and ready to seek legal council.  I told him not to do anything with the contract until he talks to the lawyer.

Just reached the estate attorney's secretary.  I at least know that the silent seller is talking to his lawyer....

Question:  Who is legally at fault?  The brother, the sister, the listing agent, myself or my client.  What are the remedies if the brother fails to proceed to closing?  How as a buyers agent do I avoid this in the future?  Any advice?  I will keep you posted

Posted by

 Debbie Holmes

John L. Scott Real Estate

  

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Anne M. Costello
Weidel Realtors - Yardley, PA

Debbie: I don't think you ever had a contract.  Did you have access to Public Records and were both sellers listed as owners? The sister knew, the listing agent should have checked and there should have been a way for sure to figure something was wrong.  The buyer was at the mercy of the seller and the professionals in the transaction.  So sorry for your client!

Jul 15, 2011 02:12 PM
Debbie Atwood
Century 21 Real Estate Center Everett, WA - Everett, WA
Real Estate Broker

this is to say the least confusing!  What should happen should be in the contract but I'm wondering if you really have a valid contract since it sounds like the other seller (brother) never signed anything - ever.  I also wonder why your buyer would have moved into the property already?  Yikes! He is actually trespassing.  I would be interested to know how this turns out.

Jul 15, 2011 02:13 PM
Kathy Sheehan
Bay Equity, LLC 770-634-4021 - Atlanta, GA
Senior Loan Officer

I agree, I don't believe you ever had a solid contract.  It is a shame that everyone is going to lose out because of this.  Please let us know how this works out.

Jul 15, 2011 02:25 PM
Debbie Holmes
John L. Scott - Boise, ID
Gets the job done!

I don't actally have a solid contract but my buyer might have a case since he unknowingly entered into the contract.   I checked with the real estate legal hotline for our state association.  My client is a tenant at will.  We were not aware that there was any problem until after he did not sign the contract.  Yesterday in response to my Email (and perhaps a talk with his lawyer) he indicated via Email that he intends to sign the contract and closing documents after a legal entity is formed.  The lawyer hopes that we can close the deal next week.  I sure hope so.  Otherwise my client needs a lawyer himself.  

The signing seller was the one who first suggested my client could move in before closing to sell his home.  I tried to keep him from moving in until after closing but he needed to get out and the signing seller said it was fine.   It is my understanding that the family agreed to sell the house and they all knew the terms of the contract.  The lawyer indicated that he was a non-performing personal reprenstative of the estate. 

I should have insisted the brother sign when I found out about him 2 weeks before closing.  The other agent was out of town and it seemed easiar to deal with it at closing.  This is the first estate I dealt with and it sure has not been fun.  I am hopeful now that we seem to be on the same page that we will close the deal.  I will keep you posted.

Jul 15, 2011 05:33 PM
Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

Debbie, Not having all the details … it’s impossible to render an opinion. It’s clear that this is a now a legal matter which will require a legal opinion. I wish you all the best with this. It certainly sounds like it makes a short sale look easy.

Jul 16, 2011 04:35 AM
Debbie Holmes
John L. Scott - Boise, ID
Gets the job done!

I am hoping that the closes soon without lawyers....  If the brother will sign the rest will be behind us with no real damages other then our nerves.  But I do want to throw it out for discussion because there definately is a lot of mistakes mades on many levels and many individuals.

Jul 16, 2011 07:00 AM
Debbie Holmes
John L. Scott - Boise, ID
Gets the job done!

I think we are coming to terms.  I hope the issue of rent doesn't come up because my buyer is furiouos and says he wont pay any rent.  The rental agreement was a verbal thing that was not going to apply because closing was going to take place right after the weekend.  The buyer will not pay rent because they couldn't get it together to come to closing. I suggested to the other agent (who has not been on the ball) that we split it if the issue comes up.  She stated that she is hardly making any money anyway.  Well I am also hardly making any money.   I just want this deal to close without any lawsuits.  Any thoughts?

Jul 20, 2011 09:40 AM
Debbie Holmes
John L. Scott - Boise, ID
Gets the job done!

Today on July 28, 2011 we closed and funded this deal!!!!!YEAH!!!!!!!

 

Jul 28, 2011 09:28 AM