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Stripped Down From the Bottom Up

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Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

Stripped down from the bottom upThe other day as I was walking around and looking over a Craftsman style bungalow, I noticed something quite peculiar with the chimney. It looked more than a bit top heavy. Not really the look I’m used to.

The chimney was clearly in need of some repair, which I could easily tell just from standing on the ground, but the bottom at the roof was drawing my attention. I saw new flashing which made sense because the roof was obviously quite new. What was odd was the flashing looked half done.Where's the brick?

Ascending the roof to get a closer look I saw what has to be a first for me. The bricks along the entire base of the chimney had been removed. The removal corresponded with where the old counter flashing would have been.

My guess was the roofer removed the bricks in order to reflash the chimney. That's gonna leak!Not being a mason, he apparently couldn’t first repair the damage done removing the old flashing before installing the new flashing. So instead Mr. Roofer goes on ahead and puts in nice new lead flashing. No one uses lead flashing any more it seems, I was impressed. Too bad good work was ruined by a bad installation.

To go ahead and theorize further, I figure our quality roofer is now unable to complete his flashing job because he has no where good to attach the vitally important counter flashing. You see with out counter flashing, the chimney penetration is going to leak as sure as it’s going to rain. The counter flashing is what repels the water coming from above, the step or lower flashing sheds water running down the roof.Chimney flashing diagram, how it should be done.

As good as this contractor’s work is, it will all have to be removed in order to first fix the chimney and only then can the flashing be installed. Reminds me of one of Murphy’s laws;

There is never time to do it right, but there is always time to do it over.

 

 

 

James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
2010 - 2011 SNEC-ASHI President
NRSB #8SS0022
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
Former SNEC-ASHI President
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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Cheryl Ritchie
RE/MAX Leading Edge www.GoldenResults.com - Huntingtown, MD
Southern Maryland 301-980-7566
Oh, boy, your last sentence is so true. It is time to do it over again to get it right.
Aug 13, 2011 01:25 AM
Peggy Duffy
The Bailey Team Real Estate - Chantilly, VA

Thanks for sharing. A perfect example of why all home buyers should hire a professional home inspector.

Aug 13, 2011 01:25 AM
FN LN
Toronto, ON

Homeowners must be very careful when looking for a roofing company to fix the roof or replace the shingles so we don't need to keep seeing examples such as this one.

Aug 13, 2011 01:36 AM
Lisa Von Domek
Lisa Von Domek Team - Dallas, TX
....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless!

Good morning James,

Proving again the necessity of a thorough home inspection.  Great catch, and great information for everyone.  Thanks for sharing!

Aug 13, 2011 02:13 AM
Bruce Kunz
C21 Solid Gold Realty, Brick, NJ, 732-920-2100 - Howell, NJ
REALTORĀ®, Brick & Howell NJ Homes for Sale

Hi James. I wouldn't have know what the proper way of doing it was before, but it's so obvious this was not it I'm surprised no one caught it before... I appreciate the lesson in how it should be!
Bruce


 

Aug 13, 2011 02:16 AM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

James, I'm wondering if the roofer mentioned the chimney damage to the sellers and they told him to just fix the flashing. Your Murphy's Law quote is so very true.

Aug 13, 2011 02:36 AM
Diane Grady
Endless Summer Realty - Saint Augustine, FL

Better to take the time to do it right the first time because going back again takes more than double the time. I can never understand why people don't take the time to get it right. Not much pride in workmanship any more so it seems. Haste makes waste! This is another reason why I always insist on a home inspection for buyers. The average person would have never caught this! Good job!

Aug 13, 2011 02:38 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Flashing is no respecter of persons. If applied correctly, it does what it is supposed to do. If not, a tale of woe is upon you. I had a fireplace installed in a family room and everything was done to perfection except for the flashing. First rain came and told the whole story and it is a sad one too. To see the walls weeping with water from the ceiling down makes one learn this lesson but quick

Aug 13, 2011 03:41 AM
Carl Winters
Canyon Lake, TX

James: Some folks just have the attitude to just put a bandage on a problem and never dig down deep to secure the real problem.

Aug 13, 2011 04:51 AM
Dawn Crawley
Dawn Crawley Realty - Pinehurst, NC
Find Pinehurst Homes

Yikes! This type of workmanship is scary. I just can't imagine doing a job like that for someone and botching it the way he did.

Aug 13, 2011 06:39 AM
Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
CONSULTANT, Real Estate Services & Risk Management

Kudos to you James for figuring out what happened. Another good reason to use a quality inspector and to insist on properly icensed craftspeople to begin with.

Aug 13, 2011 07:34 AM
Rob Smith
Rob Smith Property Investigations - Jefferson City, MO


WHOA!!!  That's Scary!!!  Great photos!!!

Aug 13, 2011 10:07 AM
John M. Scott
BRE # 01442690, Scott Keys Properties - San Francisco, CA
Broker / Owner San Francisco Bay Area

James, I used to be an architect in 'my previous life', but I always learn so much when reading home inspector blogs. Thanks for the info.

Aug 13, 2011 11:26 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jim,

 It seems the chimney is always the bugaboo for the roofers. Very rarely do I see them flash the chimney correctly.

Aug 13, 2011 12:24 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I don't think that's flashing.  It's a strap.  And a needed one!  That's my counter to the flashing idea.  Do you want to step up with any other ideas and counter that?

Aug 13, 2011 10:26 PM
Peg Barcelo
Fluff My House! Home Staging Inc. 250.486.6369 - Summerland, BC
The FlufftasticStager from Summerland, BC

JQ, flashing seems to be one of the most common things that are installed wrong! It's so important too, you'd think people would learn how to do it right the first time...

Aug 13, 2011 10:45 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Andrew, :)

Cheryl, Yes it is.

Peggy, I have lots of examples :)

Marc, Roofing is the number one consumer complaint. I think some of these guys figure no one can see their poor work.

Lisa, Thanks.

Bruce, The roof was very recently replaced, but still you would think someone should have noticed.

Diane, Your point is excellent. I can't understand either how a contractor thinks they can make money doing shoddy work.

Richie, Wow, that sounds like an awful experience.

Carl & Ceil, Don't we know it.

Dawn, Yes it is hard to fathom.

Olga, Thanks, unfortunately it is a chore to find good people who do good work.

Rob, Thanks.

John, Inspectors see the work often after years and years of wear and abuse. We have a different and sometimes ugly perspective :)

Don, It does seem that way, doesn't it.

Jay, So you think the chimney needs a counter? Granite would seem the logical choice.

Peg, You would think :)

Aug 14, 2011 12:42 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Easy to take short cuts on because it's not readily seen from the street. Good catch eagle eyes!

Aug 14, 2011 01:57 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Hi Jim. That's quite the mess and it won't be a cheap repair. The illustration you used is a classic depiction of old school stepped flashing, that's always a good standard. problem is now no one builds like that any more. The latest 'product' is a self-adhesive foil faced membrane. I'm trying it out myself and have encountered it at an inspection this summer.

I expect to see more of this and I'm sure to see it done wrong too.

Aug 14, 2011 10:06 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Lyn, Thanks, I would have to agree with you.

Robert, I have not seen that...yet. Do I detect a bit of cynicism :) Actually I think you're being quite realistic.

Aug 17, 2011 12:20 AM