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Who Can Negotiate a Short Sale?

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Services for Real Estate Pros with Wilde Law Firm, PLLC

Completing a short sale involves much more than just sending in an offer that the bank accepts. By definition the Seller’s mortgage and judgment lien debts must be negotiated.  There are three issues of liability that face the real estate agent and/or a third party facilitator who takes on the job of negotiating a short sale with a bank in North Carolina.  First there is the Unauthorized Practice of Law.  Second, and just as important, is the liability that goes with every short sale.  Third is the statute concerning Debt Adjusting.

 1.  The Unauthorized Practice of Law Without a License.  A real estate agent is licensed to negotiate between the buyer and seller.  An attorney is licensed to advocate/negotiate between the client and a third party.  The unauthorized practice of law is illegal because a person who is not trained and licensed as an attorney may seriously harm the interest of a member of the public by providing incompetent legal services.

The North Carolina Bar Association has stated, “Generally, a real estate agent can negotiate strictly financial terms on behalf of the client.  Once questions arise about the legal rights of the client, such as whether a deficiency judgment may be entered or if there will be a complete release of liability or if there is a pending foreclosure, the agent is no longer negotiating financial terms, but is negotiating a legal settlement.  That would be the practice of law.” 

There are, however, deficiency issues and tax consequences associated with every short sale.  These liabilities could easily be $100,000 or more. and are discussed in detail at my Realtor Workshops.  The “Catch 22” is that the real estate agent is not allowed to represent the seller in negotiations or settlement discussion regarding the deficiencies and tax issues. If these are not discussed and properly handled, though, the real estate agent and the agency they work for may be held responsible for such neglect.  This is where law suits are born.

To take it one step further, if a foreclosure has been filed the real estate agent cannot even negotiate financial terms because that would be advocating on behalf of the Seller in a lawsuit.   This is specifically the practice of law and the agent should be even more careful as to what, if anything, they do for their client in this situation. 

The Unauthorized Practice of Law is a Class 1 misdemeanor criminal offense that may be prosecuted by the local district attorney.

 2.  Liabilities Inherent in a Short Sale.  As stated above, if a real estate agent does take on this advocacy role on behalf of a Seller, the agent may also be taking on all of the responsibility and liability that would normally be associated with an Attorney.

 3. Debt Adjuster – Class 2 misdemeanor.  The North Carolina State Statute §14-423 states: “If any person shall engage in, or offer to or attempt to engage in, the business or practice of debt adjusting, or if any person shall hereafter act, offer to act, or attempt to act as a debt adjuster, he shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.”

 The bottom line is that if a real estate agent or a third party short sale company negotiates the Seller’s debt with the third party bank for a fee, they would be considered a Debt Adjuster under the statute and would therefore be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.

So who can negotiate a short sale?  A) The Seller, because it is their debt and their short sale.  B) An Attorney.

See more answers to frequently asked questions on my website.


Anne Richards
Short Sale Buyers and Negotiators - Los Angeles, CA

In my state (California), ALL  mortgage liens are now non-recourse in short sales.  No deficiency.

And a buyer/buyer's company can, acting on its own behalf, discuss/facilitate a short sale.

Aug 19, 2011 03:33 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

Here in NH we had a recent crackdown on people and companies popping up adverttising to negotiate short sales and loan miodifications. Right now it is lawyers and licensed agents/brokers who are allowed to negotate with no fees paid in advance, only upon closing and they must be disclosed up front. I always use an attorney when negotiating my short sale listings. I can negotiate price but will not quote or negotiate the owners rights, terms or the law.

Aug 19, 2011 03:50 AM
Anonymous
Ed Petrie

Good post and interesting discussion because of the many different rules and regulations from state to state. Not to mention the many different levels of expereince of attorneys, agents, mitigators, etc. I truly believe none of the agents or mitigators are practicing law when in fact they are providing values to the lenders to come to an agreement for the buyer to purchase the property. The seller has complete control of the short sale process and is recommended to speak with their attorney or accountant for any questions related to say a deficiency judgment or promissory note. Taking it one step further in reality, the Realtor or mitigator is merely a facilitator of information between the seller and the lender. I have many sellers call their lender or MI company for example to see if they can get better terms or removal of their prom note requirements. 

Much like the recent Core Logic study (which was scare tactics in order to sell their fraud software program) the penalties for practicing law are severe but agents are tasked with the fidiciuary duty to their seller to do everything they can to protect their interests and this failure to do so could result in more problems than the potential issue of "practicing law". 

Aug 19, 2011 04:11 AM
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Bill Reddington
Re/max By The Sea - Destin, FL
Destin Florida Real Estate

Even in Florida I suggest an attorney for any legal matters. The hard part is I too have seen attorneys that charge fees for virtually doing nothing. Big fees. This comes from the uninformed public. Thats todays rules. Who knows how the banks will try to change it tomorrow.

Aug 19, 2011 04:13 AM
Martin E. Kalisker, Esq.
Natick, MA
Real Estate Law From A Practical Perspective

This is very similar to the "rules" in Massachusetts ("rules" in quotes because there is no written authoritative guidance - just interpretation).  Many real estate agents, REALTORS® and third party companies don't seem to understand this.  The practice of law, the practice of providing accounting advise or financial planning assistance, is a regulated business. 

There is nothing good that can happen when a real estate agent tries to negotiate a short sale on their own - only a lot of possible negative consequences, including loss of their real estate license for practicing outside their level of competency and the unauthorized practice of law or public accounting.  And for those who've responded already, this is not about MARS.  Whether you take a fee or not, the practice of negotiating short sales should be left to lawyers and/or CPAs with law degrees.

Thanks for highlighting this important issue for all to see.

Aug 19, 2011 04:22 AM
Kimo Jarrett
Cyber Properties - Huntington Beach, CA
Pro Lifestyle Solutions

Great information, luckily my business is in California, however, advice to seek legal counsel is always appropriate.

Aug 19, 2011 04:29 AM
Jan Green - Scottsdale, AZ
Value Added Service, 602-620-2699 - Scottsdale, AZ
HomeSmart Elite Group, REALTOR®, EcoBroker, GREEN

Great post.  Unfortunately, out here in the wild west it is not an offense to act as an Attorney.  We don't use attorneys in real estate sales unless specifically requested by one of the parties involved.  That is a voluntary action on behalf of the buyer or seller.  However, we are always advised not to practice outside our area of expertise.  We as agents in Arizona negotiate short sales all the time, too.  We cannot, however, use an outside service that is paid a referral fee for negotiating a short sale, but we can use attorneys to negotiate short sales.  Interesting differences between states!

 

Aug 19, 2011 04:38 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

So interesting to see the reactions from different parts of the country / different states. Makes it a bit confusing for anyone trying to understand real estate practice in America.

Aug 19, 2011 04:48 AM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

I wish there was actual rules established for this, we are all flying by the seat of our pants, really. This is something that Washington could actually do to help the country.

Aug 19, 2011 05:45 AM
Anne Richards
Short Sale Buyers and Negotiators - Los Angeles, CA

There ARE rules (Laws), Karen, and the California Civil Code.  There are also guidelines from the California DRE (although, admittedly, the DRE often advises against practices which are perfectly legal).

I, for one, am skeptical about Washington's ability to micromanage the short sale arena. I don't have a problem with the fact that laws vary from state to state or region to region. We just need to comply with the laws governing out particular jurisdiction.

Aug 19, 2011 06:25 AM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

 

I always urge my clients to contact a lawyer when they are facing a short sale or foreclosure.  I can help with the short sale.  The attorneys whom I refer my clients to are reputable and I trust them to give my client good advice.

Aug 19, 2011 06:34 AM
Kent Dills
Broker, Dills Real Estate - Bellingham, WA
Real Estate 817-495-8028, Bellingham, Washington

Great blog post and great comments.  As a Texas agent that has completed lots of short sales - and negotiated every one - I side with those who say:

1. They always advise their clients to seek legal advice, but who

2. Have negotiated all of their short sales without an attorney's assistance (interference?).

I'm also surprised that the poster (Steve) hasn't checked back in and offered comments/responses to the growing number of comments his post elicited.  

Aug 19, 2011 08:23 AM
Judy Orr
HomeSmart - Scottsdale, AZ
Scottsdale AZ and surrounding towns

I will now only take a short sale listing if the sellers agree to work with one of my experienced short sale attorneys.  I market and get the house sold, then the attorney takes over negotiations with the bank.  I feel much better doing it this way - these are experienced attorneys and they have staff to handle everything.  Their fee is shown on the HUD-1 to the lien holders as an expense.

Aug 19, 2011 09:01 AM
Tammy Davis
Flora Real Estate Group - Hollister, CA

My Broker has had her Attorney draft a hold harmless agreement to protect us on our short sales. We make it very clear that we are not giving legal advice nor tax advice and that all sellers are advised to obtain such professional advice.

I also have my clients sign all of the CAR forms in regards to the short sale...giving me the authority to discuss their financial matters with their lender.

 

Aug 19, 2011 09:27 AM
Jim McCormack
Nashville Short Sale Specialist - Jim McCormack - Edge Advantage Realty, LLC - 615-796-6898 - Murfreesboro, TN
Nashville Short Sale REALTOR - Stop Foreclosure

Good information.  I am a Nashville TN short sale agent.  I don't see a problem here.  I negotiate all the financial terms of the real estate sale, which includes the payoffs of any liens.  However, when it comes to release of liability, potential liability for a deficiency balance, bankruptcy, foreclosure, etc., I always recommend that the seller seek legal counsel.

Aug 19, 2011 10:25 AM
Steve Wilde
Wilde Law Firm, PLLC - Asheville, NC

Hello all.  You make some great points and raise some excellent issues.  I will post another follow-up blog addressing many of them as it is simply too much for a comment.

Aug 19, 2011 11:42 AM
Michael Singh,Broker
Singh Real Estate - Corral de Tierra, CA

Lawyers have been trying to sue the banks for bad loans now they are trying to sue for wrongful foreclosure next it will be Short Sales.

Aug 19, 2011 06:11 PM
Susan& Charlie Ahern
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices California Properties - Coronado, CA
Owner & Broker, Coronado Real Estate 4 Sale 619-92

I am in Coronado, San Diego County, California.

Does anyone know of a reasonable short sale facilitator who does what he says he will do? Thanks in advance.

Aug 20, 2011 07:04 PM
Real Estate -Hemet-
Mission Grove Realty - San Jacinto, CA

If anyone in Southern California needs to use a "Short Sale Facilitator" perhaps they should refrain from LISTING Short Sale transaction and concentrate on plain-vanilla Traditional,Standard Sales and REO transactions. Why would a competent,trained,experienced Agent want to "farm out" Short Sale listings to an outside "facilitator"? Since Shorts are 50% of MY business, with the added bonus of possibly representing a Buyer also,I cannot fathom any Agent sending the clients who trust them into the services of a third-party facilitator.

Either LEARN how to List and facilitate Shorts or do not do them AT ALL. It is NOT Rocket Science,guys and dolls.

Aug 21, 2011 08:20 AM
Dagny Eason
Dagny's Real Estate - Wilton, CT
Fairfield County CT, CDPE Homes For Sale and Condo

I have a lawyer who is my partner in short sales, a great lawyer, so I do not need to give any legal advice...  for us it works very well.  He goes along on most of the meetings we have so all questions are properly answered.

Aug 22, 2011 12:19 AM