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Flippers and Dishwashers – Say What?

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Real Estate Agent with Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage BRE#01732313

DishwasherThis is an odd little trend, but in six month’s time, three of my buyers have purchased flipped homes where the brand new dishwashers weren’t hooked up at all.  Here are the comments from the actual home inspection reports.

House #1 – “The dishwasher is uninstalled – there is no water supply valve; there is no electrical cord; it is not secured to the cabinet. And the waste piping is not installed.” Incompetent crew, or ignorant seller?

 House #2 – “The kitchen dishwasher did not respond to the normal user controls (didn't turn on). The door to the dishwasher hits on the oven door preventing the dishwasher from fully opening.”  This crew clearly didn’t know what they were doing. By the time we were through, the sellers had to pay pest repairs, a roofer and another contractor to clean up the mess the flipper’s ‘expert contractor team’ left behind during their re-hab.

House #3 – “When tested the dishwasher was not functional at the time of our inspection. No power cord could be found or a hard-wired switch was included for this appliance.” Once an electrician opened the wall to install a new switch, he found a mess of tangle wires and code violations. This ran throughout the kitchen and was a $1600 fix.

I get it that flippers want to get in, and get out quickly, turning the property for a fast profit. But this is kind of basic stuff.  During inspections, if it’s found that contractor crews are missing something this obvious, you can bet I’m going to urge my buyers to scrutinize every square inch of the property. 

Jenny Durling
L.A. Property Solutions - Los Angeles, CA
For Los Angeles real estate help 213-215-4758

We have a lot of flippers in the Los Angeles market right now. Some of them do a fabulous job while others, not so much. You tend to get to know which is which but in every case I make sure my buyers do a complete home inspection on any property they intend to purchase- flipped or not.

Aug 22, 2011 05:22 AM
Jan Green - Scottsdale, AZ
Value Added Service, 602-620-2699 - Scottsdale, AZ
HomeSmart Elite Group, REALTOR®, EcoBroker, GREEN

Great post.  I'm in the middle of a flip purchase that so far has been a breeze.  We'll see what the HVAC and roofing inspections reveal today!  Best of luck!

Aug 22, 2011 06:33 AM
Karen Crowson
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Rancho Bernardo, CA
Your Agent for Change

Terry #23 - wish that's how they all did them.

Marcia #24 - makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Gary #26 - yep, in plenty of time for them to pay.

Cynthia #27 - there's a great reason to make sure you are present at the inspections, right?

Jenny #28 - I'd feel nervous if any of my buyers wanted to skip inspections. Unless of course the seller had already done them, or a previous buyer had.

Jan #29 - I'll keep my fingers crossed for you ;)

 

 

Aug 22, 2011 06:49 AM
Mary Ann Chiquete
Benchmark Home Inspection - Phoenix, AZ

What you speak about is a common problem on flipped homes here in AZ also.  Flipped homes look beautiful at first glance, but the "lipstick on a pig" saying definitely applies. Dishwashers are a common issues, as well as strange electrical issues. I once plugged in the built in microwave and the breaker to the oven tripped.  A complete, thorough home inspection is a buyers best protection when purchasing a home, but in the case of a flipped home it is even more important to uncover the "hidden" defects under that beautiful granite countertop and new paint job.

Aug 22, 2011 06:53 AM
Judy Orr
HomeSmart - Scottsdale, AZ
Scottsdale AZ and surrounding towns

That was just one of a punch-list of unfinished items in one of my most recent "flipped" sales.  This was a first-time buyer and we ended up holding money in escrow after closing as a couple items were still not fixed by closing.

Aug 22, 2011 08:32 AM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

Karen:

I guess the flipper forgot to tell his helpers that there should be outlets and water hookups for dishwashers.  What a laugh.

Aug 22, 2011 10:42 AM
John M. Scott
BRE # 01442690, Scott Keys Properties - San Francisco, CA
Broker / Owner San Francisco Bay Area

Karen, I like House #1 the best. You've got a dishwasher but nothing to connect it to!

Aug 22, 2011 01:52 PM
Beverly Femia
BlueCoast Realty Corporation - Hampstead, NC
Broker Realtor Stager - Greater Wilmington, NC Are

Well at least they bought it - demonstrates some good intention...

Aug 22, 2011 02:26 PM
Michael Singh,Broker
Singh Real Estate - Corral de Tierra, CA

There are good flippers and bad ones and you can usually tell with in 5 minutes on the property. 

Aug 22, 2011 05:51 PM
Jim McCormack
Nashville Short Sale Specialist - Jim McCormack - Edge Advantage Realty, LLC - 615-796-6898 - Murfreesboro, TN
Nashville Short Sale REALTOR - Stop Foreclosure

I bid on distressed homes and I know that when an "investor" outbids me either they know more about the property than I do, or that they are going to do a hack job on the rehab.  It costs a certain amount of money to rehab a home correctly and some investors offer so much more for a property that they have to be grossly underestimating the rehab costs.  I think that over paying and underestimating leads to "investors" cutting major corners on their rehabs.

Aug 22, 2011 06:22 PM
Karen Crowson
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Rancho Bernardo, CA
Your Agent for Change

Mary Ann #31 - yes, inspections are always important and contrary to how it may appear, even more so when everything looks ok, but the property has been flipped.  The buyers can't get caught up the appearance and skip prudent steps.

Judy #32 - you were wise to do that. Financial protection is always good.

Evelyn #33 - unfortunately none of my clients found it to be very funny, there reaction was then suspicion.

John #34 - actually, in the big scheme of things, that one was actually the best in terms of how the seller responded. Shocked, apologetic, and prompt in correcting the problem.

Michael #36 - that was true in two of the cases, but one of them was much better at hiding their sins.

Jim #37 - sounds like you've experienced the same things.

 

Aug 23, 2011 01:26 AM
Linda Fidgeon
Berkshire Hathaway Homeservices Page Realty - Wrentham, MA
Make your next move your best move!

On Flips - its let the buyer beware. A well done flip is the exception, not the norm.

Aug 23, 2011 07:12 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

This just goes to show why a home inspection is so important.  A buyer should always get one no matter how nice the home looks.

Aug 23, 2011 11:55 AM
Marshall Brown
Mid America Inspection Services, LLC - Fargo, ND
BSEE, CHI

A good renovator/flipper can make an excellent return on their investment and do a good job. Why is it so hard to get them to do it right?

Aug 24, 2011 10:59 AM
Jay O'Brien
RE/MAX Revolution - Kansas City, MO
Kansas City Real Estate

That's when an inspection is worth its weight in gold. That would be a bummer the first meal after closing to find something like that!

Aug 24, 2011 01:44 PM
Gerard Gilbers
Higher Authority Markeing - Asheboro, NC
Your Marketing Master

I have been part of a group of investors. There are those who do used licensed contractors and follow up with them so that everything was done right. There are those unfortunately that do not use licensed contractors or who do not check up behind them to make sure it is done properly. The contractor could have thought they could make a few more dollars by not taking the time to install the dishwasher and merely shoving it in the hole!

Aug 25, 2011 05:55 PM
Karen Crowson
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Rancho Bernardo, CA
Your Agent for Change

Linda #39 - isn't that a sad statement on things.

Gene #40 - always, always, always.

Marshal #41 - we're asking the same question, aren't we?

Jay #42 - yeah, there would be some very unhappy buyers.

Gerard #43 - I like the first group :)

Aug 26, 2011 01:13 AM
Rafi Footerman
Mid Jersey Inspections - Edison, NJ
Home Inspector, Mold Inspector, Radon and More!

I find the same issue frequently as well.  It's typically the last item installed and usually just a connection that was not completed.  Missing drain line and electric conncetion is a much bigger issue that points to poor planning and execution.  I would look extra hard at that house as there are probably other items that were not planned and executed properly.

Aug 27, 2011 12:25 AM
Matt Robinson
Professional Investors Guild - Pensacola, FL
www.professionalinvestorsguild.com

I am a flipper, and I can assure you we hook up the dishwasher.  We actually do a termite and home inspection when we buy, and fix everything that's noted on the list.  However, I recently represented a buyer as a Realtor on a flip she was buying, and it was the same situation.  Tons of things left undone, a leaking roof that was described as "updated" in the MLS, 35 year old hot water heater, missing valves under the sink.  It looked great cosmetically, but the important stuff was ignored.

Feb 09, 2012 04:42 AM
Karen Crowson
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Rancho Bernardo, CA
Your Agent for Change

Rafi - poor something is right!

Matt - Ah, you are one of the ones agents and buyers like to work with. I'm glad there are a lot of good ones in our area too.

Feb 09, 2012 12:55 PM