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No stove ... no FHA loan ... no kidding.

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Temporary StoveWhen an appraiser is assigned a property, they are armed with more than just the offer price and the amount of any seller concessions. They are also told what kind of loan the buyer plans to utilize for the purchase. Each type of loan has their own set of property guidelines and the appraiser is trained to look for them.

With a recent listing, an agent presented an offer from a buyer who was pre-approved for an FHA loan. I mentioned to the agent that an FHA appraiser would report the fact that the property had no stove. No stove (or equivalent), no FHA loan.

We gave the buyers agent permission to install a temporary stove. The agent must have forgotten all about it because along came the appraiser and ... no stove, no FHA loan.

After a stove was "installed", the appraiser was called back for a second look. He didn't like what he found. To be honest, I don't know if appraisers go as far as testing a cooking device, but this gas stove obviously wasn't functional. The gas line was visible and capped.

The buyer has since removed all contingencies, and has committed to buying this property. He has purchased a new stove and it will be professionally installed this evening. The appraiser will need to be called back a third time.

Callbacks cost from $125 to $150. While this might not seem like a lot of money, it is a fortune to a young, first-time home buyer. Some callbacks, like the two with this property, could have and should have been avoided.

If you are considering buying a single family residence or condo, ask your REALTOR® what guidelines a property must pass in order for your loan to be funded. There is nothing worse than a call from your lender telling you that you have to pay more money to remedy a situation that could have been taken care of before the appraiser was called in.

 

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Cynthia Larsen (707-332-2560) is an independent real estate referral broker in Sonoma County, California as well as a Certified Probate Real Estate Specialist.

CA Broker License #01433049

Comments(28)

Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

Paul - there is something new with every home I sell, it is impossible to keep up. I just had to add another item to my list .... carbon monoxide detectors. There must be one in every level of the house in California *unless* it's an all electric house which is not common here. The lender will ask for an appraiser callback if these detectors aren't present and in working order. I just installed one on Saturday and have three more to go today.

Aug 22, 2011 05:47 AM
Malcolm Johnston
Century 21 Lanthorn Real Estate LTD., Trenton, Ontario - Trenton, ON
Trenton Real Estate

It sounds like there's a lot of hoops to jump through with these FHA  loans. They must be pretty tiresome to deal with, so many opportunities for a mistake.

Aug 22, 2011 06:28 AM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

Malcolm - yes there are a lot of hoops to jump through, but about 90% of the buyers out there are qualified for this type of loan. Why? 3.5% down and even that can be in the form of a gift from Grandma.

Aug 22, 2011 06:41 AM
Karen Burket
Bank of Oregon a division of Willamette Valley Bank - Medford, OR
Valley Mortgage Grou, Conventional, FHA, VA, mortgages

Great post, Cynthia!  Merely "setting" a stove in the kitchen really ain't gonna cut it!  

Aug 22, 2011 07:07 AM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

Karen - evidently it used to cut it. Those days are long gone.

Aug 22, 2011 07:15 AM
Karen Burket
Bank of Oregon a division of Willamette Valley Bank - Medford, OR
Valley Mortgage Grou, Conventional, FHA, VA, mortgages

Appraisers seem to be more and more particular in this current environment.  I guess that's not necessarily such a bad thing.  Again, great information.  Re-blogged.  

Aug 22, 2011 07:26 AM
Melinda (Mel) Peterson
Grants Pass, OR - Bend, OR
The Savvy Broker - ABR, CRS

Excellent point Cynthia.  Sadly, appraisers are being asked to perform more 'inspection-like' duties by the lenders.  This biz is getting more and more regulated as the pendulum has swung from one end to the other.

Aug 22, 2011 08:39 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Cynthia - OY VEY!!!  This is such an FHA "no brainer".  This is not just a case of an agent out of his "territory" but seems to be completely clueless as well.  Was it a newbie agent?

Aug 22, 2011 09:03 AM
Jane Peters
Home Jane Realty - Los Angeles, CA
Los Angeles real estate concierge services

That is ridiculous.  I don't cook.  Does that mean if I buy a home with an FHA loan I now have to learn to cook!  :(

Aug 22, 2011 09:07 AM
Barbara Heise
Keller Williams Realty STL - Saint Louis, MO
Search for Homes for Sale in St. Louis

About 30 years ago I sold a 2 family fha.  It was when the interest rates were 18%.  The fha appraiser would not approve it because the bathroom in the downstairs unit was a shower only- no tub.  This was an old house converted so we asked him to appraise it as a single family.  He couldn't do that because there was a kitchen upstairs.  So the sellers were so anxious to get this thing sold (what we did in those days for a sale) they let us put cheap, ugly panelling up around the kitchen (didn't take it out) and lo and behold we all came out winners.  The panelling was so weak that when you took a deep breath in the room it waved.

Aug 22, 2011 10:52 AM
Sidney Kutchuk - Realty Works Temecula Kutchuk - Realty Works Temecula
Realty Works Temecula - Temecula, CA
Realty Works Temecula

Obviously NOT installed!  A little lame on the buyer's agents part, I would say!

Aug 22, 2011 11:12 AM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

Karen - Everyone is walking on eggshells these days.

Mel - oh I know! I have a listing in Novato where the home inspector checked the smoke detectors, the City's code enforcement inspector checked them and so did the appraiser. Talk about overkill!

Donne - nope, not a newbie, but I think he is new to FHA loans.

Jane - nope, you just have to have a stove that works :). After the appraisal you can unplug it and use it as a bread box.

Barbara - WOW! That story made me laugh! What a crazy requirement to have a tub. Hiding the kitchen was a brilliant idea.

Jane - a little? LOL.

 

Aug 22, 2011 11:37 AM
Rodney Mason, VP of Mtg Lending
Guaranteed Rate NMLS# 2611 - Atlanta, GA
AL,AR,AZ,CA,CO,FL,GA,IN,MI,MS,NC,NV,SC,TN,TX,VA,WA

Things must be different in CA.  In GA, a free standing range, as well as a refrigerator, is considered personal property and it not required to be present in an FHA appraisal.  Any built-in appliance, like a cook top or a wall oven, would however be required.  For a gas range, if the gas line is not capped off, then one might be required.

Aug 22, 2011 01:44 PM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Oh that is too funny . . . and nothing an appraiser loves more than to this they're a fool . . . LOL

Aug 22, 2011 02:22 PM
Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

This sounds like a "honey what were you thinking moment?"  I would have been in total shock had I found that stove upon my return.

Aug 23, 2011 02:15 AM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

David - about half of my transactions the last three years have been FHA. We are in the perfect price range up here.

Rodney - I thought FHA was national. Go figure! Refrigerators are personal property in CA and need not be present, but the kitchen must be "habitable" which means there must be a way to cook food.

Carla - it wasn't funny at the time but it is getting that way now.

Charita - looks like something my Grandmother cooked on in the 60's.

Aug 23, 2011 04:36 AM
Ed Gillespie
WealthWise Mortgage Planning, a Division of American Pacific Mortgage Corporation NMLS #1850 - Folsom, CA

You are right, Cynthia!  The stove must be present and working.  I had an FHA deal last year that required two returns by the appraiser. Very frustrating and the appraiser was a witch to boot!

Aug 23, 2011 07:09 AM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

Ed - LOL, I have the image of an appraiser flying on her broom. Now that really wasn't a nice thing to say :)

Aug 23, 2011 07:54 AM
Rodney Mason, VP of Mtg Lending
Guaranteed Rate NMLS# 2611 - Atlanta, GA
AL,AR,AZ,CA,CO,FL,GA,IN,MI,MS,NC,NV,SC,TN,TX,VA,WA

Each Home Ownership Center (HOC) does have some variations.  It must be that the Atlanta HOC is different on the appliance interpretation.  Free standing stoves are considered personal property in GA.

Aug 23, 2011 01:48 PM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

Rodney! Thank you for coming back. Wow, I didn't know that "interpretation" was allowed but that makes perfect sense. Yes, stoves should be classified as personal property, they are not attached at all once the power cord and (in our area) gas line is unplugged. Same as a refrigerator really. Refrigerators have their power cords and water lines. Why the difference? Don't you just love to be part of the "United" States of America where we all follow the same rules and laws?

Aug 23, 2011 02:11 PM