For the last couple days, I have had the unfortunate opportunity dealing with a Realtor that "knows it all", and thinks that she is "doing what is best" for her client, actually MY client.

One of my websites http://www.va-home-loansonline.com/ gets quite a few prospective homebuyers coming to it on a daily basis. They fill out the form for us to contact them or call us because we get quite a few veterans in the state of Texas that have a hard time finding a loan officer that wants to help them get a VA loan. We then refer them to realtors around the state.

Three weeks ago, my team received a phone call from a veteran who didn't want to go through a lot of hassle. He wanted us to get him approved for a loan and to also help him find a realtor. After checking his credit and running down all of the options, we found that he qualified for a Texas Veteran home loan and his rate would be 5.49%, we were charging 1% origination and no junk fees, we weren't even charging the typical 1% Participation Fee. He is a disabled veteran and doesn't even have to pay the VA Funding Fee. Over and over, he told us that he didn't want a hassle and that he felt safe doing business with us.

The only problem was that he lived in a different part of the state and I didn't know any agents in that area, so what did I do? I contacted a local agent that I do business with to place the buyer through her referral network. She works for a larger company that has offices all over. The referral was sent over with a copy of my pre-approval letter and instructions not to try switching the buyer to another lender.

Well, what happened next was absolutely crazy. The new buyers agent decided that she needed to tell the buyer that a Texas Vet loan was not in his best interest and that she had a lender that could get him a conventional loan with much better terms.

She then called my agent and complained that she shouldn't have to pay a referral fee to her because they were in her town and should have come see her in the first place. She also explained that she gets paid more if she gets the buyer to finance with her mortgage company (they don't do government loans).

What happened next was that we received a call from a buyer almost suffering a panic attack because this realtor was doing exactly what he didn't want. We spoke for awhile, calmed him down and explained why this was the absolute best option for him.

Then, I called the realtor who referred them to this agent and told her what was going on. She was kind enough to email her broker and the receiving agents broker about how she didn't feel the referral was appreciated and that something needed to be done.

The buyer is sticking with us and fired the agent! Oh, we also received their executed purchase contract today! Serves her right!

I do quite a bt of business in this area and could have been a good source of business for this agent. 

So, tell me...Is it standard to bite the hand that feeds you?

 
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34 Comments on Stop trying to steal my client! HELP!!

OCT
24
2007
381,079 Points 18 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

John,

I do not have a lot of referral business in Daytona, people rarely leave, but when I had someone needing to buy in another state, I check the Certified Residential Specialist (CRS) in the area of interest, and I call them and tell them that I have someone, and that for their comfort I would require that they copy me on all documents they send to my clients. Not that I am a control freak, simply because my clients were not familiar with this process in this country, and did not feel comfortable, and me being able to comfort them, and the mere thought that I am reading all their stuff, made them feel better.

When I call, I tell what I need, and if they are OK with that, then I send them the info (and I get the referral fee, which I use to credit towards my clients at closing. The CRS website is http://www.crs.com/

As for why this happens, I have the simplest explanation (may be not the nicest) - you are not dealing with the brightest among us. Apply the 90/10 rule (or 80/20 if you are generous), so it may be expected.

12:03am • #1
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I think some people can convince themselves that they're right if it is convenient for them, especially when there's money involved.  It seems that realtor was very short-sighted to choose not to do business with you.
12:04am • #2

Jon,

I agree! She wasn't the brightest! Now, she isn't getting paid for anything...

She didn't have a buyers agent agreement with the buyers so they were placed with another agent in the same office!

12:08am • #3

Sharon,

I don't understand why she would even try! Also, complaining to the referring realtor about the referral fee wasn't smart and then telling the agent that she received a kickback from the mortgage company was even more stupid!

12:10am • #4
Please file an ethics complaint against her through your local board.  This is very important; we must police ourselves.  This type of Realtor ruins it for the rest of us.
12:31am • #5
I have tried filing complaints with the TREC before for much more serious offenses (fraud) and they refused to do anything since I wasn't the actual client.  I suppose I could try to get the clients to file a complaint though!
12:38am • #6
244,871 Points 8 Featured Posts Outside Blog
John,  Im really sorry you had such an inferior realtor experience.  Referrals are always an important part of business and this person has alot of growing to do if she isnt aware of it... we are all in a service industry and need the networking to help us along the way.  I think of referrals from lenders as GOLDEN... easy and good money, I just do my job knowing the hard part was done, I have gotten a buyer who is motivated to buy NOW and qualified.. what more could I ask for? 
7:18am • #7
This is the world we live in. You learned a lesson. Consider it a blessing and move on! 
8:21am • #8
146,365 Points 7 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Has happened to me.... but the client got 'sold' on this better deal and didn't come back the last time.

I heard from her friend that the closing wasn't smooth. The 'deal' wasn't really a deal. But hey, the realtor got to refer the biz where they wanted it.....

Proof that some realtors have good intentions. And others are motivated by other intentions.

 

 

3:45pm • #9
NOV
01
2007
860,971 Points 68 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Last year, I had a situation where the listing agent called my buyer at home and told them that she could save them 1% if they fired my and their mortgage broker and went with her. She would re-write the contract and save the deal and get them the home.

We got it closed and reported her to the state immediately!

12:14am • #10
NOV
02
2007
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I just don't get it - why do some realtors insist on talking to buyers about what type of mortgage is best for them..  are they  educated in the mortgage business?? And this from someone you gave a slam dunk referral to?? Amazing
3:23pm • #11

I know...the real crazy thing is that I could have sent her more...

To be mean, I sent her an email with three new referrals names...but without contact information...and slightly mispelled... lol

3:29pm • #12
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John,      I'm always amazed at how stupid some people are.  Glad things worked out OK for your client but sorry he had to go through all this.  It should be fun buying a home, not like this.
11:33pm • #13

Ricki,

I do a few loans in your area every year...I LOVE the hill country...My father in law plays at Luckenbach every year...You live in my favorite part of TX!!!!

My plan in the future is to only refer buyers to realtors that are members of Active Rain...and hold them accountable here... 

11:42pm • #14
NOV
03
2007
100,291 Points 3 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor
Hi John,     Yes I feel very blessed to live here.  It is my favorite place on Earth!  It is surprising how few VA loans we do in the Hill Country.  I suppose conventional has been too easy.  I used to do lots of VA and FHA when I lived in the Ft. Worth area.  I run into veterans every now and then that want VA and esp. here lately.  There have been more.  Would love to work with you.  Next time you get this way, give a holler.  I'd like to meet you face to face.
9:09am • #15
Outside Blog
Sorry you had such a bad experience with a Realtor.  There are a few bad apples in the bunch.  It happens all around us.  No matter where you live.  I hope that everything worked out for you.
3:28pm • #16
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You must be a psychic you saw this problem coming. The recipient of your kindness sounds like a greedy, unappreciative loser. A zebra doesn't change his stripes and a leopard doesn't change it spots.
11:05pm • #17
NOV
04
2007
3 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Typical here in the Washington / Baltimore market........


8:34pm • #18
NOV
13
2007
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Wow - I can relate completely as it's happened to me as well!!!  Mind blowing isn't it??!?!?!!?

Sounds like you did exactly the right thing!!!!

7:19am • #19
DEC
07
2007
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I have heard that this behavior is typical in my market, but I personally have not had this kind of an experience. Great post though, I read it like a story. Serves ehr right that she lost the deal and all future potential business from you ... Steering is a bad practice for Realtors and Mortgage Pro's. When I have a client come in, I may prefer that that client works with one of my Realtor partners but if he/she is already with an agent whom I have not worked with I say "Well I haven't worked with soandso but I've heard he/she is great!"

Steering a prospect from one pro to another is nuethical and bad for business!

 

 

2:42pm • #20
I really appreciate everybody's comments! When I send over a pre-approval letter with somebody ready to buy a home, the last thing I expect to have happen is to have the Realtor try to switch them to another lender!
2:48pm • #21
DEC
09
2007
3 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

great job and nice outcome John....   It is always best when the "good Guys" come out on top -

 

6:55pm • #22
DEC
28
2007
John, Believe it or not this happens quite a bit. Some realtors automatically think that this new client is theirs to do whatever they want with. They forget who sent it to them and forget about any future deals that may come from it. Great job on getting your client a great loan and earning their loyalty. That says alot about you. You definitely did things right and didn't have to learn the hard way.
12:26pm • #23

Great story. It's a shame that this happens in this business, especially in a time when we need the publics trust. The best part is that she will continue to sell real estate and all the honest people in this business will suffer for it in the long run. People like her give other real estate professionals a bad name. Thank you for being professional.

Happy Holidays to all the Real Estate Professionals,

Philip Maltaghati

NYS Certified Residential Appraiser

1:19pm • #24
JAN
01
2008

Bud & Celeste,

I can't believe that some realtors think that way...I have been tempted to steer buyers aways from some really poor realtors in the past but I have never done so...believe me, I have dealt with some that didn't even know how to fill out a contract...lol

8:55pm • #25
JAN
02
2008
What comes around goes around. Sounds like justice was done in this case.
11:01am • #26
FEB
19
2008
That's a funny one!  That's what happens when people get greedy.  You were trying to help her get a deal, and she wanted more, but most of all I feel bad that your client had to go through with that.  It looks like you took care of him though.  Good Job!
1:38pm • #27

I have to agree with Ryan Vivo.  That is GREED!  She could have a great job servicing this borrower and maybe he would have referred her more business!

3:28pm • #28
FEB
21
2008

John - People never cease to amaze me.  Here is a Realtor who, for lack of a better term, had a deal that you put entirely together fall in her lap.  She then has the audacity to try to convince the client to go with her finance guy (can you say kickback) over you?  I had a similar situation awhile back and lost the client.  am happy for you that you did not.  Best thing you can do is generate more business in that part of the state and give it to the person sitting right next to her. 

1:03pm • #29
FEB
22
2008
Why is it that people can't just grab ahold and follow through.  The part about her "getting paid more if they used her mortgage company" disturbs me!  Kickback and I'd stay as far away from that as I could!!!
7:07am • #30
I agree, she got greedy...I have been much more selective in referring clients lately...
9:13am • #31

this is definately a feel good blog... I'm glad to hear things worked out in your favor... have a great 2008

Rick

9:17am • #32
APR
02
2008

John, Been a while. Lucky you had a loyal client who trusted you.

This is worse than losing a client to a builder who buys them away from you..

 

Take Care

B

aka TheLoanProfessor 

12:59am • #33
MAY
13
2008
154,460 Points 1 Featured Post

Keep in mind that there are loan officers who do the same. I had a client that chose a loan officer from an advertisement. I contacted the loan officer to get a pre-approval letter and he did not know I existed. He tried to steer this client to his Realtor and it didn't work. I had previously sold the granddaughter a home so she told her mother she needed to stick with me. I did a good job for her.

I let the loan officer know that we were using another loan officer and we had a contract. He was very upset saying I stole his client away. They were not his to begin with. We closed on a home w/o any problems.

10:17am • #34

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