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Can't Live with Them and Can't Live without them - Home Inspectors

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Real Estate Agent with RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate

Can't Live with Them and Can't Live without them - Home Inspectors.  It is one of those things when you are the listing agentWashington County RI Home and you hear the name of the company that the buyers are using and you just groan to yourself.  They are horrible - is what goes through my mind from past experiences from other agents that have shared their experiences with this company.  Okay, suck it up and be ready for battle.  I come prepared to be right there and see what goes down in my clients home.

Actually I was pleasantly impressed on this day with the home inspector - up to a point.  This one from "Scare Me Company" seemed to know what he was talking about heating, electrical and structural wise.  A good house he says and yes I of course am nodding my head in unison.  Well it is- some houses I might have a lump in my stomach about what might happen but not this one.

Home inspectors are like good apples and bad apples...some just belong in the compost bin.  Okay, I don't want my favorite home inspectors Jay Markovich, Michael Thornton or Clint McKie at all calling me on the carpet on this one.  This is my call.  I expect a home inspector to do a thorough home evaluation and give the pluses and minuses.  Have no issue with real deficient conditions being shown- that is what they are there for but I do have issues with home inspectors who have been in the business a number of years and do not know the somewhat basics of a heating, electrical or septic system.  So I am getting to the issue...the septic system.

zabel septic filter - North Kingstown RIThe home inspector is testing the ISDS septic system put in as of 2003.  It has been maintained properly as required by the town of record.  The home inspector says the water is not going down but it is rising and something he is tapping on in the middle of the tank...probably an internal cover gone astray maybe blocking the septic system.  I am scratching my head because this does not sound like a typical tank and not like one I have experienced many times.  Who put the system in?  A very reputable firm and I called him right up and he said he knows just what the issue is, he'll meet me there in the morning.  Now the buyer is a bit unnerved and I am thinking this needs to be salvaged and there has to be a reasonable explanation for a newer system to be 'improperly working'.

The next morning during the monsoon downpour here, Paul, the septic installer, meets me and the buyer's agent at the septic and pulls the zabel filter up from the middle of the septic hole and like a cork unplugged from a fine wine, the water wonderfully drained down more than a foot in less than 5 seconds...no kidding!  See he says some of these home inspectors don't have  a clue the filter is in the middle.  This is one sorely clogged filter and should have been cleaned every 6 months but they haven't had it cleaned in nearly 2 years- that is what the problem is, he says.  The buyers agent is shaking her head but the home inspector has been doing this for 30 years how could he not know?  You hired him, I did not.

So the battle of the septic guy with the home inspector never came to be.  The home inspector came back out almost swallowed his teeth and gave a clean bill of health to the septic.  That is why I like a fine glass of great cabernet wine in the evening after a day like this and some rain drenched pants it was actually worth  getting it right for the sellers and the buyers. 

Buyers do make sure your home inspector knows his stuff, check Angie's list and ensure you know who you are hiring as a trusted and knowledgeable home inspector...it is your home and you are going to be living in it for awhile.  Make sure the home inspector knows how to inspect a septic system!  Can't Live with Them and Can't Live without them - Home Inspectors.

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Ginny Lacey Gorman is a North Kingstown Realtor who works and knows the RI geographic area of homes for sale, schools, happenings, important tidbits of information and businesses well.  Waterfront, water view, ocean front, luxury and coastal RI real estate are her specialty, so call Ginny for your buying and selling home needs. As North Kingstown short sale agents, she and her team helps clients navigate successfully the rough short sale waters throughout RI, contact Ginny if you are having trouble paying your mortgage.  When you are in need of an internet savvy RI realtor® who sells homes in this real estate market, call Ginny today at 401.529.7849.

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Comments(112)

Stephen Stanczyk
Safe Haven Home Inspections - Puyallup, WA
Home Inspector - Puyallup WA

I find it interesting that the inspector was sharing anything with you in the first place.  Unless I have written permission from my client, I don't share any findings with either agent, or seller, unless the condition is an immediate and severe safety hazard.

An inspector should not be making off the cuff remarks or comments about the home to anyone other than their client.  I am not there to argue, train, inform, pacify, or coddle some third party.  I work for MY client.  I am not part of a "team".

It is obvious that there are vast regional differences.  Unfortunately when someone gets a "feature" blog, those differences magically disappear and a member of the public that may be reading the thread can get the wrong impression. 

Sep 10, 2011 06:37 PM
Anonymous
Anonymous

Excuse me for a minute Realtors,

Shhhhhhh. Guys,Take it easy! This is Active Rain, not Reactive Disdane, this too shall pass.

Inspector Alan

Sep 10, 2011 07:49 PM
#94
Anonymous
Peter Michelbach

Ginny -- congratulations, you crossed the Rubicon! Thank you for sharing. Peter

Sep 10, 2011 11:26 PM
#95
Dagny Eason
Dagny's Real Estate - Wilton, CT
Fairfield County CT, CDPE Homes For Sale and Condo

Ginny - I cannot believe the buyer had a building inspector inspecting the septic system.   We have separate inspectors, and it may be for just the reason that came up in your inspection.

Sep 11, 2011 01:25 AM
Jeffrey Jonas- Building Inspector
Owatonna, MN
Residential-Commercial-Light Industrial

@ Inspector Alan... True, but we are also not the ones who posted this subject on their Facebook Wall. Why would Ginny do that if she didn't have an axe to grind? Seems as if she's on her own 'crusade' to cause harm to the Inspection industry. 

 

Sep 11, 2011 01:43 AM
Anonymous
John Smith

Amazing!  A Home Inspector does their job by finding a suspected problem and reporting it but then gets roasted for it.  As said many times already it is not the Home Inspectors job to reach down in the muck and find out the exact cause of the problem.  What hasn't been said so far also is that it is not the Home Inspector's job to right up all the glowing aspects of a home to help the Agents sell the home.  The Home Inspector is not a sales person!  Their job is to inspect, find, and report the deficiencies in the home.

As for the claims by some Inspectors to only hire an ASHI certified Inspector that too is total bunk!  ASHI certified Inspectors are sued regularly for ignorance and plain stupidity just as Inspectors in any other association.  An association has no bearing on how capable an Inspector, or any other professional, really is.  Sounds as if Mr. Nernberg, Post 71, is only helping to secure his business territory.  But I suppose that is all real estate is about anyhow.  That is puffing up chests and blowing smoke to help your business!

 

John Smith

Sep 11, 2011 02:52 AM
#98
Anonymous
Lane Mabray

Well, these comments are now getting down and dirty. I thought it was only the buyer's RIGHT to have an inspection. No one says they MUST! but guess what? It is all relative and an opinion. We had an inspector (no longer in business) who kept using the term "eyeball inspection". Finally I couldn't stand it any more and told him "If I want an eyeball inspection, I'll go see an Opthomaligist". Geeze, folks, cool it!

Sep 11, 2011 05:21 AM
#99
Marshall Brown
Mid America Inspection Services, LLC - Fargo, ND
BSEE, CHI

Perhaps it would be a good idea for everyone, Realtors, clients AND inspectors to (re)read the standards of practice of each of the three major certifying associations to see what a home inspection is expected to cover.

All agree on at least one point; a home inspection is a visual inspection of a limited range of systems within a house and immediate surround. I believe I'm correct in saying that the code of ethics of each allows the home inspector to provide other inspection services, septic, mold, radon, etc, for which they are properly qualified but not remediation of findings.

All the inspection agreements/contracts I am familiar with stress that the information reveled by the inspection are the exclusive property of the signatory. The only exception I am aware of is related to circumstances that might endanger person or property.

Based on my reading of the comments here, I'd guess that the inspector provided additional services outside the typical home inspection SOP and seemingly reported correct findings of defects but may have improperly discussed them with people who were not his client.

Sep 11, 2011 06:46 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

You know if that is traditional in your area then the inspector should have known. At least he wasn't a know it all & made the situation worse.

Sep 11, 2011 08:35 AM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

I appreciate all comments but please don't be highly critical of one anothers points...this post was to raise awareness and all states do something different...thank you

Sep 11, 2011 09:00 AM
Jim McCormack
Nashville Short Sale Specialist - Jim McCormack - Edge Advantage Realty, LLC - 615-796-6898 - Murfreesboro, TN
Nashville Short Sale REALTOR - Stop Foreclosure

Good work.

Sep 11, 2011 09:29 AM
Anonymous
Lane Mabray

WOW, GINNY!! I am with you, Ginny, but having points of controversy is not necessarily critical but makes us all thinK, evaluate and come to a logical and reasonable solution. I personally think this PERFECTION (my opinion) that I am finding that everyone and that everything should be performing PERFECTLY in a house or property is ridiculous. We, as sales professionals nor are the inspectors heart surgeons. We are professional residential real estate SALES persons and the inspectors that are hired are to make sure a house or property is safe and has to a great degree been maintained. Kinda like a preliminary Catscan or MRI before that heart surgery. If you have NOT maintained your heart, it will be "deficienct" and in need of repair....Again! As John Stossel says "GIVE ME A BREAK"!

Sep 11, 2011 09:36 AM
#104
S W
Centerville, KS

Get post, I was actually just able to write a post about home inspectors. This part of the transaction can cause some of the biggest headaches especially depending on the home inspector. Having an experienced and well educated home inspector can save lots of headache down the road.

Sep 11, 2011 12:16 PM
Gerard Gilbers
Higher Authority Markeing - Asheboro, NC
Your Marketing Master

We had one that was paid his fee but really wasn't worth the time - will never use him again. I was not aware that septic systems have a filter! We don't have many here although I have owned a couple of properties over the years that had septic systems.

Sep 11, 2011 04:54 PM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

Thanks again...some of these home inspectors here have to take it easy...there are no attacks on home inspectors ...this is an experience blog...thank you

Sep 15, 2011 10:03 AM
Tony Lewis
Summit Real Estate Group - Valencia, CA
Summit Real Estate Group Valencia & Aliso Viejo

A Realtor needs a great professional Home Inspector more than a great professional Attorney since this Home Inspector will prevent the need for an Attorney or at least make things safer if one is needed!

Sep 16, 2011 08:12 PM
Jim Keilson
Maryland Home Inspection Services, Inc. - Gaithersburg, MD
Specializing in Mold and Radon Gas Testing.

What a great turn this thread took.  If I had the time I could go on and on about whet is really wrong with the whole RE transaction game.  I will save that for another day and another thread.

 

Sean (post 107) I agree completely that a good home inspector needs to be experienced, well trained and all that good stuff.  Bit to avoid the majority of the Headaches as you call them the Agents need to also be concerned with other things rather then just how quick they can close the deal.  It would blow your mind to know just how many agents have asked an Inspector to not mention, or to downplay a particular defect that the inspector discovered.  I could also go on and on about the agents that only recommend 1 inspector to their client and do not give several so that their client can make their own choice??  Or the so called Realtors "Preferred" vendors list ?  wow that's really some biased info to be giving out to clients.  Oh well, another day.

Sep 17, 2011 11:25 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

We don't expect home inspectors to get involved with septic systems.  We have licensed septic system companies to do that and in Virginia, the seller gets it done.  In MD the buyer or seller can. 

This is a critical step in buying a home because the cost of a failed septic system can be in the $20-60K range or more.

 

Sep 19, 2011 01:03 AM
John DL Arendsen
CREST "BACKYARD' HOMES, ON THE LEVEL General & Manufactured Home Contractor, TAG Real Estate Sales & Investments - Leucadia, CA
Crest Backyard Homes "ADU" dealer & RE Developer

As Lenn has so aptly stated, "We don't expect home inspectors to get involved with septic systems." As our industry (RE) progresses in an era of specialization so to is it true in the home inspection arena.

I'll call him the "Ole Timer All In One Guy". FYI? Those days are gone. Nowadays you need to have a home inspection i.e. interior, exterior, floor, wall, ceiling, appliance, plumbing and electrical fixtures, light structural, paint, wall paper, etc. 

AND, a separate roof inspection by a liecensed roofing contractor, a foundation inspection by an experienced foundation contractor, a termite inspection by a certified pest control company, a drainage expert (civil engineer), a licensed plumber to check the integrity of the plumbing infrastructure and likewise with an electrical contractor.

And of course you will need an expert "POOPER SCOOPER" TO deal with the MINUTIA.  It's a brave new world out there today and this come from an experienced general contractor and RE broker. 

Sep 19, 2011 01:53 PM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

Still interesting the differences in home inspections in the various states...most home inspectors here do it all...except the radon in water & air...many thanks

Sep 19, 2011 02:24 PM