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Ernie Cabrera posed the question "What do you do?" in his blog. The question involved someone calling you on one of your listings and asking to see it. Ernie tossed in the caveat that the person calling was represented by an agent. Would you go out an show them your listing?

There were not many responses, but most of them agreed that you should show the house, even if the buyer is represented by another agent. I think I mentioned that it would be like holding a private open house and honoring the relationship the folks had with their agent.

The Ernie threw me the curveball. He mentioned that he suppossed that showing the house was the thing to do in this market, but a few years ago when you had to fight buyers off with a stick it was a different story. I went back and read the comment again just to be sure it said what it said. It did.

And the lightbulb went off........another clue about our current market.

You see, I am convinced that along with allllllllllllllllllllll the factors that have facillitated our market reaching a snails pace, the experience of the agent is close to the top of the list. A significant portion of agents working today became agents after 2002. They literally poured into markets across the country.....following the booming economy. Soon after their arrival, the markets began to heat up. They received the same limited training every other agent receives..........knowledge is on a need to know basis.....go sell houses.

What did they face? The competition was for listings. If you could get in the front door on a listing appointment and secure the listing, it was money in your pocket. Some experienced agents faltered. We really had never seen a short term boom like this. Listings were secured. Signs were put in the yard and offers were made.

We had the birth of the "e-bay" selling strategy. You simply waited until Wednesday to place the house in the MLS, announcing your open house on Sunday and then adding the following " all offers to be reveiwed on Tuesday at 7pm. Seller reserves the right to accept or reject any offer". The race was on.

Full service agents showed up for the open house (it was often like the opening night of a major book sigining), unlocked the doors, had folks sign in and usually had a stack of disclosures available. Most homes were not staged and the air had a "take a number and wait until you are called" feeling. The agent locked up and waited for the offers.

It was during this period that the new generation of real estate agent did not learn that there job was to get the most for their client. I suppose it was hard to realize that showing the home one more time might produce a better offer when you have five,ten or fifteen in hand. The more experienced agents knew. The next offer just might be better than all the others.

It is your job to present the property to any potential buyer until an offer is accepted. Every pair of eyes that views the property represent the possibility that a better offer may be made.

So, I understand Ernie's confusion. Many of the newer agents suffer from the experience of the last five years. It was so easy to make money, you didn't have to bother with actually doing your job. You were able to get paid after filling out a listing agreement and reviewing offers with your client. You were able to get paid after writing an offer for your client and having it accepted. Gee, you did not even learn negotiation skills, someone in your office handed you a blank "acceleration clause" and it became you negotiating tool. (did you ever realize that it only placed your clients, stark naked, on a platter before the seller? you exposed the maximum your client would pay for the property. a counter offer did not have to do anything other than mention your top price. the seller was not required to show you anything. you were faced with telling your clients that you had a counter and it was for their top price. sure, they could counter that they would pay it only if they could see the other offers, but then they risked losing the house and the escalation clause already exposed how much they would pay.)

While we wait for the market to regain traction, we might want to read up on how the world operated in the good old days. It might even be time to learn the practical side of real estate. No offense to Brian Buffini or Mike Ferry, but it may behoove agents to learn what their selling before attempting to become experts at selling.

Then again, what do I know?

 

27 Comments on Then again, what do I know?

Interesting blog. I'm parking to see other's responses.

10/27/2007 10:34 AM by Melissa Kruse (Gryphon )


John,

 A lot of truth in your post.  Time was that if you could cloud a mirror you could make a living in real estate.  Now it requires knowledge, skill, persistence.

I suspect that we'll see a lot of the people without skills exiting, and that may not be entirely bad.

Much like some of the mortgage companies that sprung up during the boom (and perhaps contributed to the mortgage mess we are all wading through currently) will likely disappear.  In our market, a really good mortgage company that's been around for 30- years recently closed their doors.  I'm confident that others aren't far behind.

 

Thanks John.

10/27/2007 11:13 AM by Eric Webster Grand Rapids, MI, Five Star Realty (Five Star Real Estate)


I agree with you, that it's in the best interest of your client to show the propertiy. I am a listing agent for a  small builder in Spring Hill, but I also work with buyers and sellers in the general market place. Usually represented sellers do not come to new construction homes with their buyers agent the first time. That doesn't mean that they want to be unrepresented, it just means they want to look at the houses.

It's in the best interest of my client to get the houses sold.

10/27/2007 11:20 AM by Nashville real estate - Larry Brewer (Keller Williams - Franklin tn)


Well done John. My market, as brutal as it is right now, is about that same as it was 13 years ago when I started selling in Poinciana. It was quite normal to take a year to sell a house. There was nothing in Poinciana and very few people wanted to live there. The population was about 7,000. Now it's 68,0000!

The inexperience of today's agents show up every day for me, when I search expired listings. There are TONS of them. To me this shows, pricing inexperience AND more importantly, lack of communication skills. It is very difficult to keep a seller happy for a year or more. It's a skill I learned when I first got into the business and it is becoming very handy right now.

The good news is, listings are very easy to get right now. It's the perfect time for inexperienced agents to learn communication and pricing skills. Because, with out a doubt, when the market does change, the agents with listings will rule. In my market we still rule. It's very difficult to sell anything right now but if I can get enough listings, something WILL sell. Assuming of course that they are all priced within reason.

This market is not the time to stress over business it's the time to get better at what we do.

What do you know? Quite a bit John, quite a bit.

10/27/2007 11:27 AM by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc


It's interesting to see you coming round to my point of view John! *lol*. OK - this really does all come back to raising the bar. We need educated real estate professionals. It should not be possible in any State to be a nail technician one week and two weeks later to be able to call yourself a Realtor - which if you believe the advertising (which of course I don't), is a highly professional, highly ethical person who is an expert in the buying and selling of property.

By the way - thanks for meme-ing me! And thanks fr commenting on the results!

10/27/2007 11:28 AM by Simon Conway (Picket Fence Realty)


Melissa - Just pull up a chair next to me. I await the response as well.

10/27/2007 02:46 PM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


Eric - Many in our industry joined on a level spot. The market grew around them. Now, perched on the edge of a slippery slope, many are sliding away.

10/27/2007 02:48 PM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


Larry -  Now isn't that the truth. Buyers don't know the rules. They just want to find a house. Rather than get caught up in the minutia, it is best to help them do so.

10/27/2007 02:49 PM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


Bryant - Oh, that the minions would ask you for advice! You have gone through ups and downs and it is obvious you understand there is much more to this business than the ability to put a sign in a yard or drive folks around on Saturdays. Thanks for your input.

10/27/2007 02:51 PM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


Simon - Please don't denigrate the nail professional. Most of them have to go through about one years schooling to get licensed. The same holds true for barbers and hair stylist. Go figure, Vinny the barber that cuts my hair for $11 was required to spend more time and money than me to get his license. And the fine State of Maryland qualified me to sell Vinny's house (listed at $475,000) with 60 long hours of schooling.

10/27/2007 02:54 PM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


I agree with you John and am also one of those agents who entered the business at the end of the boom a little over 2 years ago!  I have learned that you need to adapt to whatever comes your way!  When I first started, I knew I had to get listings to keep afloat, however once the recent market changed to what it now is, I instead am focusing on getting as many buyers as possible because they are the ones in the drivers seats!  Just because you get a listing now (even if you market it at every angle) it doesn't mean it will sell!  It's almost like flipping a coin when taking a listing now!  But I try to get at least one new buyer from every listing that I take, that way even if the listing doesn't sell, I still wind up getting something back on my investment from it!  As for the GOOD OLD DAYS, they are GONE!  Technology is here and here to stay and if the GOOD OLD PEOPLE in this business don't get on the NEW TECH BOAT, they will soon find themselves stranded at sea without a paddle or a life vest!

10/27/2007 03:19 PM by Michael Klijanowicz - Relocation Specialist - Baltimore & Harford County (Baltimore & Harford County Maryland - Long and Foster )


Michael - Do not get caught up in the race for buyers. Homes priced correctly sell. They sell in this market. You seem to think that the good old days are gone. The only thing that is gone is the opportunity for well meaning but less experienced agents to make money by just holding their license. You still must "list to last".  The unfortunate side bar to the technological advances are that new agents garner some false sense of security that using and knowing technology will compensate for lack of experience. It won't. Those that fail to learn all the aspects of their profession will disappear from the scene and no one will know that they are gone.

10/27/2007 03:50 PM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


John- Those of us who have been in the business for a long time have always known the market would change.  Agents who choose to remain in the business during this market will learn much about their craft  and become significantly better agents.  This is when the professional agent will prove their worth to the consumer.

10/27/2007 06:05 PM by Manhattan Beach CA/ e-PRO..... Kaye Thomas... (Real Estate West)


John - Amen. I've had over twenty years experience in real estate admin and marketing and almost two years as a stager so I've been around in all kinds of up and down markets. I've also seen the good, the bad and the ugly when it comes to Realtors. It's interesting but the ones I've worked with who maintain a professional attitude, market like crazy and have the economic fortitude to ride a market like the current one are able to prosper. Those who still have the attitude that a sign in the yard and an MRIS entry is enough to sell in today's market are floundering. They are also the ones who complain the loudest.

My hope is that only the strong will survive and within the next couple of years the market will stabilize to a more normal pace. And for purely selfish professional reasons I hope that convincing sellers and agents that staging is often a worthwhile expense will not be such a hard sell in this area.

10/27/2007 08:44 PM by Lynn Crawford-Olney MD Stager- Chapter President-DC/MD ASHSR (A Different View)


I choose to enter the business at this time because it was the best point in my life.  I know that I'll use this time to learn my strengths and weakness and the practical side of real estate.  Great Post!    I'd really like to learn those negotiation skills.  Any suggestions?

10/27/2007 11:10 PM by Jennifer Hartwick (Coldwell Banker Tatie Payne, Inc.)


I can't believe I almost missed this post!!!

YES YES YES! It is the job of the listing agent to show his listing to all buyers, regardless of agent representation. I posted this question on my other forum and got mostly responses that "it's not proper to step on another agent's toes" or, of course, "Why would I waste my time?"

In fact, there's a whole section in my book on this very topic. It's called "Agency and the Represented Buyer".

WTG JMac!

10/28/2007 07:54 AM by Jennifer Allan, Author of Sell with Soul (Sell with Soul)


"but it may behoove agents to learn what their selling before attempting to become experts at selling."

Words to live by...

10/29/2007 06:30 AM by Jennifer Allan, Author of Sell with Soul (Sell with Soul)


Kaye - Many thought the shakeout would occur last January. I think when it comes time to re-up with dues, etc. this year, many will decide to make a career change.

10/29/2007 01:54 PM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


Lynn - I will make sure to put you on my radar. I shall survive.

10/29/2007 01:55 PM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


Jennifer - There are many sources on the art of negotiation. I think that an agent needs to first learn how to negotiate with themselves regarding their commitment to their clients and come to a personal acceptance that putting clients first will lead to rewards later. The next person in negotiation is your client. You have to get them to accept the reality of their situation. Once you jump those two hurdles, you must negotiate with the other side and all the ancillary people in the transaction. In negotiation if only one side wins, no one wins and if one side loses, every one loses. Work to find the win-win solutions.

10/29/2007 01:59 PM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


J-Dawg - I knew that somewhere in the universe, you would understand and support my position. It is always high praise when you send it my way.

10/29/2007 02:01 PM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


JOHN...great topic!  Thanks. 

Back in the recent "OLD DAYS" when escalation clauses were being used (hope I remember where they are filed in case we ever need them again) we required the seller to provide the competing contract up front.  Sure your client may not get the house but if there are other contracts they probably wouldn't get it anyway unless they offered well above the list price to begin with.

I agree with you that, although technology is important in our industry, knowlege, practical experience, a sincere desire to achieve the best for your clients are just if not more important.

MICHAEL...there's more to real estate than technology.  Much more.

10/30/2007 10:08 PM by Kathleen "Kate" Elim, LAKE ANNA, VA Real Estate (RE/MAX Lake & Country)


Kathleen - I appreciate your beliefs regarding the escalation clause. I just disagree. I do believe that any agent that used the escalation clause was side stepping actual negotiation. I do believe that if you submit an offer that includes a negotiation clause, there is no requirement for the other side to accede to the demands included in the negotiation clause. The act of deciding on a home, writing the offer, including an earnest money deposit and then going to bed with hopes of having the chance to actually buy the house begins a subliminal acceptance of the "worst case scenario". The "worst case scenario" being that the buyer would be required to pay the top dollar included in their offer. I have no doubt that those agents sold their clients on the idea with the admonition that before the escalation clause can come into play, the other side will have to reveal the offer that triggered the escalation.

I have welcomed escalation clauses. After reviewing all offers and verifying loan commitments and funds to close, I have instructed me clients to counter the largest offer with a very simple offer. If the top price is "X", the counter will include all the contingencies of the initial offer at "X" price. There is no acknowledgement of the escalation clause. If an agent inquired, and few did, about other offers, they were told succinctly that the counter offer is on the table for 24 hours as it is.

You see, most of the agents did not forewarn their clients that a counter offer may not deal with the escalaton clause. They were under obligation to present the counter offer and their clients (whom were already emotionally committed to the top price) had one day to decide to accept the offer or hope they might be successful on their next bid.

On the flip side, representing buyers, I did use the escalation clause one time. My clients won the house because I used $55 dollar increments. I soon realized the folly of that practice and moved to advising clients to make reasonable offers.  My clients only looked at homes in which agents could be present for the offer review. My clients sat by the phone and we were in a position to alter the offer depending on how the presentations were going. No, my clients did not always get that home. Yes, every buyer I represented during the "gold rush" is now a homeowner.

It is never a good idea to let the opposing side know the maximum amount your clients are willing to pay. If monkeys could hit the right keys on a typewriter, they could prepare those sort of offers.

Thanks for you thoughts.

10/30/2007 11:20 PM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


JOHN...I'm going to re-read your response to me tomorrow when I am somewhat awake.  But, at first blush you are making sense to me.  I have to admit that I only had one occasion to use it as a buyer's agent but was very happy to see it when I listed a house in Northern Virginia (where I am not active but had been and was listing it for a couple that I had worked with when they bought it).  At Lake Anna, where I have been working for 12 years now, even when the market was hot we weren't seeing the multiple offers that others were seeing in more metropolitan areas.  Whoops, just checked where you are, Bethesda, so you know exactly how hot it was up there.  We probably would have been classified as warm down here but it was great while it lasted and more than busy enough for my taste.

How are things up there right now?

10/30/2007 11:45 PM by Kathleen "Kate" Elim, LAKE ANNA, VA Real Estate (RE/MAX Lake & Country)


Kathleen - When I was just a young boy, we lived right on Georgia Avenue. Traffic was so light that my dog used to sleep in the curb lane. Things were pretty slow back then. Our market in Montgomery County is pretty slow right now. I think my dog could sleep on the front porch of one of many open houses and never have to get up until it was time to go home.

10/31/2007 02:19 PM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


John...It's funny that you should mention your dog because one good thing about this slower market, I've had more time with my dog.  She and I left home this morning at 8:45 and returned just about 15 minutes ago.  I'm always looking for the silver lining and today I actually struck gold.  Guess this really doesn't have anything to do with your post but I did want to share that you can still have a good time during a bad time.

10/31/2007 04:06 PM by Kathleen "Kate" Elim, LAKE ANNA, VA Real Estate (RE/MAX Lake & Country)


Some great points being made here.  Here's how I got licensed:

I went the correspondence route.  I bought all of the books and coursework on a Monday afternoon (210 hours), started the courses on Tuesday morning, was finished on Wednesday afternoon but was too tired to test so I took the school tests on Thursday morning and 3 weeks later sat for the licensing exam.  I was in business within 4 weeks.  I could have done it in 2 but was remodeling my kitchen at the time and couldn't study for the big test that fast with all the noise.

It worked for me and I am good at what I do, but I would never recruit an agent that did it my way.  The rules should be changed to prevent it. 

11/03/2007 11:31 AM by I HEART THE BLOG BUTTON Amanda Hall * Texas Real Estate Broker (Hall Team Homes )


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