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The Downside of Sealed Crawl Spaces

Reblogger Lenn Harley
Real Estate Agent with Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate 303829;0225082372

CALLING ALL HOME INSPECTORS AND BUILDERS. Give us a clue.

Which IS best, the sealed crawled space or the unsealed open to the elements crawl space???

Preston has come down on both sides. That is probably correct although my instinct is to want to know and not trust something we can't see. termites

TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE.  As a child, I can recall crawling under my grandparents' home with my sister to get out of the heat and sun.  "Watch out for snakes" was the only suggestion from my "know-It-all" teen age cousin. 

O.K. snakes aside, I have had many home inspections performed over the years on homes with open or sealed crawl spaces and I come down on the open side.  I WANT TO KNOW!!!  Especially on resale properties.

The majority of homes in my area are either constructed with a basement foundation or on a slab.  The crawl space foundation is rare but, especially in rural areas and older neighborhoods, we'll see them. 

Termites have been discovered in both sealed and open.  However, I have also experienced inspections where the buyer brought in a friend or relative to do the inspection and a sealed, or open foundation for that matter, was never entered.  Now that buyer is making a big mistake but it happens. 

So, which is best, OPEN OR SEALED FOUNDATION!

Courtesy, Lenn Harley, Broker, Homefinders.com, 800-711-7988.

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Original content by Preston Sandlin

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Charlotte Home Inspector Scott Walker was inspecting a 4 year old home Friday with a sealed crawl space when he found active termites coming up behind the walls of the insulation of the foundation wall.  Normally termite treatements involve trenching treating an rodding the inner and outer foundation walls as well as drilling and treating each of the piers with hollow voids.  The problem with the sealed crawl are that this type of treatment now becomes impossible without taking down some of the plastic compromising the sealing.

With that being said I have to say I am a big fan of sealed crawl spaces.  I have seen hopelessly wet moldy crawl spaces transformed to dry clean safe crawl clean enough to eat off of.  Also being a home inspector I would much rather crawl a sealed crawl space much rather than one that was not.  There is a downside to the sealed crawl space though.  If they get termites it become very hard to treat but it is possible.

Preston Sandlin and Home Inspection Carolina have providing thorough quality home inspections in the Charlotte NC area for over 15 years.  Preston has a masters’ degree in Education and has taught Home Inspection classes for years.  He also is a certified infrared thermographer.  Home Inspection Carolina has  been on TV many times and has a Charlotte Home Inspector radio show .  So you are in need of a home inspection in Charlotte NC, Gastonia NC, Weddington NC, Mooresville NC, Fort Mill SC or Rock Hill SC call Home Inspection Carolina (704) 542-6575.

 

Preston Sandlin

Home Inspection Carolina

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Comments(14)

Dave Roberts
Healdsburg Sotheby's International Realty - Healdsburg, CA

I thought this was an easy question to answer, since crawl space ventilation is both required and normal construction practice in the mild weather California climate I live in. However, before spouting off as an expert I figured I would double-check my conventional wisdom. It turns out that a properly built, unventilated crawl space is probably a superior method in most climates. The details matter, however. Here's a detailed crawl space pdf from our federal energy labs discussing this issue in detail.

Thanks for posting this interesting question. Without it I would have just blundered along thinking I already had the answer. 

Oct 08, 2011 04:37 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Dave.  Isn't it amazing how we can discover that we don't know all there is to know after all.  Happens to me regularly.

I appreciate your information.  I'll go to that link. 

One vote for the sealed crawl space.

Oct 08, 2011 04:41 AM
Lou Ludwig
Ludwig & Associates - Boca Raton, FL
Designations Earned CRB, CRS, CIPS, GRI, SRES, TRC

Lenn

South Florida is a no craw space zone.

Good luck and success.

Lou Ludwig

Oct 08, 2011 02:30 PM
Gail C. Harris
Resource Network, LLC SFR, AHWD, ACRE, SMAR Board Director - Chesapeake Beach, MD
Reach the BEACH with Gail C. Harris (cell: 703.868

I was always taught the basement should be secure but as in the attic area there should be ventilation to stop moisture from building up.  Mold is pesky, to say the least.  I'm not the expert, however, will defer to the professonals.  I think I'll click on Dave Roberts link and see what the feds have to say!! :)

Oct 08, 2011 07:28 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Lou.  I don't know what that would mean. 

Gail.  You have the same suspiciouns as do I of the sealed crawled space.

Oct 08, 2011 10:39 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

As always, Lenn, the problem with "new-wave techiniques and practices" is that there is no history to see what happens in the long run!  Icynene foam insulation, ventless attics, totally sealed crawl spaces, medium-density fiberboard outdoors (only recently allowed), poly-vinyl front porch railings and fences, and the like are "said" to be the "best" practice and represent current thinking. But how they will play out is anybody's guess, despite all the theories.

I am a natural skeptic and until someone proves through experimentation of long-term practice that something is "best" practice, I say to people to watch out.  Not an alarmist, just a bit empirical.

Oct 08, 2011 10:56 PM
Conrad Allen
Re/Max Professional Associates - Webster, MA
Webster, Ma, Realtor

Hi Lenn - I also want to see what is going on.  No sealed for me.

Oct 09, 2011 12:55 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Jay.  I agree.  New is not better until there is a history of success.  Fire retardant treated OSB was, as I recall, ordered into use by government.  Look at the eventual costs.  Then the government ordered the use stopped.   Go figure.

There is a long list of new building products that were put into general use and then withdrawn after a history was developed.  That, however, takes years.

My experience is that the NEW AND BETTER products have one thing in common.  They are CHEAPER than the product they replaced. 

The classic example os the replacement of plywood sub-flooring with OSB.

HA!  Let's go into the upstairs bedroom and bounce on the floor, it's bounces like a springboard.  Absorbs moisture too even though the manufacturers say it doesn't (all those chemicals).  HA!  Take a look at a home with a flooded basement and you'll find OSB expanded with moisture.

Who are you going to believe, the manufacturers or your lying eyes!!

 

Oct 09, 2011 01:48 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Lenn.  Your post inspired one of my own today.  So we have a tit for tat - you scratch me and I you with the post inspirations.

 

Can you get a little down and to the left please...?

Oct 09, 2011 06:34 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Got it Jay.  I'm playing catch-up today on ActiveRain.  I have an out of town guest.

Oct 09, 2011 07:31 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Lenn, non-vented crawl spaces have been around since at least the middle 50's and have a WAY better track record than vented crawl spaces.  They require a concrete slab though to avoid the kinds of issues that "sealed" crawl spaces suffer from.  They are way cheaper than sealed spaces as well.  Some people argue that the concrete floor method actually "seals" better than the plastic membrane approach.  I am in that camp as well.  When it can be done so well without a membrane, my question is why create a conducive environment for critters that can be easily avoided?  All that said, unventilated crawl spaces are certainly the way to go.  Think of them as really short basements:)

Oct 09, 2011 08:20 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Charles.  Eureka.  A short basement foundation.  Now that makes sense.  Thanks.

Of course, my grandmother would be asking, "Where am I supposed to store onions???

Oct 09, 2011 10:19 AM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

Lenn- when we lived in Leesburg, we didn't have a crawl space but had to have a radon venting system.  I would think that if radon is an issue you'd need someway to vent it. 

Oct 09, 2011 11:29 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Kathy.  What did you have?  Most homes that have high radon have basement.

Oct 09, 2011 11:50 AM