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Redfin CEO Glenn Kelman Interview on ActiveRain - Take Your Best Shot

Reblogger Debe Maxwell, CRS
Real Estate Agent with Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 228209

This Sharkfin bullshit is giving me a headache.I'm not much of a re-blogger--although I believe it to be a powerful tool, I generally have too much to say just for a re-blog introduction!  So, I write my own.  THIS post, however, is one that I want my readers to see.  ActiveRain led the way in spotlighting agent rebuttal to the recent debacle within our industry.  Here are my major beefs with this little ploy that the company mentioned below has done:

  1. Publicly posted sales information/income of PRIVATE business owners.  Does this mean that our neighbors who are attorneys, physicians, restaurant or boutique owners should allow THEIR competitors to post their sales/income on their sites?  I DO NOT want mine posted online for a multitude of reasons but, I gave NO ONE permission to post my numbers on THEIR site, for sure.
  2. Inaccurate and misleading sales information of competitors were posted on their site.  I smell lawsuit, what about you? 
  3. Framing OTHER agents and company websites, then using the name of competitors (agents and brokerages), meta descriptions, title tags and metatags to improve THEIR SEO.  Ethical?  I think not!  Do I go cover the for sale sign in my competitor's sellers yard with MY company logo? Not on your life but, that's basically what Sharkfin is doing.
  4. Speaking of SEO--Once the consumer lands on the page to check out a potential agent (a non-Sharkfin agent), they find glowing reviews or testimonials or fictitious information about a Sharkfin competing agent who may or may NOT be a better agent.  How is that fair business practice?  
  5. Did the company broker EVER sit in an ethics class?  If so, I'd like to know who the instructor was!  This facade about how 'this is only about transparency for the consumer,' is the only thing truly transparent about this scheme--it's only a fascade.  If I hear that statement one more time, I'm going to throw up!  This isn't about transparency at ALL--this is about beating the competition with as many underhanded, unethical, dishonest business practices known to man.  These people left their ethics and integrity on the classroom tables of their ethics classes and should be ashamed.
When I meet for a listing appointment, it is NOT my intention to land the listing at any or all costs.  I play fair and square.   I don't share my competitor's statistics with the potential clients--I share MY DATA SHEET in MLS (readily available in any market) if asked.  My main goal is to show them that I am the one that can sell their home; it has nothing to do with my competitors OR their income or number of sales.  It's what I, (me, myself and I, no one else) can do for the sellers; not how much I can put my competitors down just to gain the listing.  
 
Who knows, perhaps my competition has a buyer for this property in a month.  If I play dirty, they're certainly NOT going to bring their buyer to my listing.  It's called Romancing the Realtors® and Sharkfin needs a lesson in how to play nicely in the sandbox about now.
Original content by ActiveRain Real Estate Network

Redfin CEO Glenn Kelman to be interviewed on Monday October 17th at 9am Pacific Time on ActiveRain. Click here to join us online.

 

In case you missed it, Redfin recently caused quite a stir here on ActiveRain and across the real estate blogosphere when they began displaying sales statistics for real estate agents in the markets in which Redfin does business. Called the 'Agent Scouting Report', the Redfin blog says the purpose was to allow consumers "to look up stats on any agent — where he sold homes, how quickly, at what prices, with how many price reductions — all on a map, with pictures of every sale".

The goal? "......help consumers make informed choices about which real estate agent to choose.”

There was a flurry of people calling 'foul' for a variety of reasons. (Just search 'redfin' on the search bar here on ActiveRain and you'll see what I mean) Everything from invasion of privacy to inaccurate data was sited as reasons that Redfin shouldn't be allowed to display this data on it's website. Agent Scouting Report 1.0 would last just under a week online before Redfin CEO Glenn Kelman and his team would make the decision to pull the feature down from the Redfin website.

In his blog post announcing the decision, you can see that Glenn has no fear of bringing innovations to the real estate industry that have the potential to be disruptive. In fact, taking risks is part of the culture at Redfin. You know this if you've been following along since they came on the scene in the real estate industry in 2005 when they hired their first employee.

Along the way, they've raised a decent amount of venture capital and every so often, released a product that has the potential to be a game changer in the real estate industry. Their last flurry (prior to Agent Scouting Report) was over publishing Redfin agent comments about other agent's listings on their website for Redfin clients to see.

None of this matters if Redfin didn't have one of the best home searches in the industry. Consumers pay attention because Redfin has given consumers a great home search tool........oh, and there's that whole commission rebate thing.

At the helm all along the way has been Glenn Kelman. His resume is pretty impressive and prior to stepping in as the CEO at Redfin he had never been in the real estate industry. So how does a guy from the software industry end up in real estate with what seems to be a goal of disrupting the status quo?

We'll let him tell that part of the story.

Nikesh and I are thrilled to have Glenn joining us on Monday October 17th at 9am Pacific Time for a discussion about Agent Scouting Report, Redfin, disruption in real estate and the future of an industry that has been attempting to turn away these outside disruptions since the first IDX feed went live.

And since there were so many of you that had some really strong feelings about the Agent Scouting Report, we want to invite you to let us know what you'd like us to ask Glenn. I have a ton of questions and could probably conduct the entire discussion without any help from our members. I love this guy's moxy. If you read his blog, you can tell he's fearless. It's people like Glenn that flush out inefficiencies in whatever industry they chose to enter. We happen to have him in our industry and love Redfin or hate Redfin, you have to respect someone willing to stand in there and take the punches. That's been Glenn since I first saw him on stage at Inman's Real Estate Connect conference in San Francisco in 2007 (I think it was 2007......time flies when you are having fun) debating traditional real estate brokerage versus discount brokerage with Lennox Scott.

So let's have it, give us your best shot and I'll do my best to try to knock Glenn off his game! (Nikesh is too nice, so we'll let him ask the easy questions....haha)


If you'd like us to ask Glenn something, make sure you leave a comment below and we'll do our best to get in as many questions from ActiveRain members as possible.

~Bob

Comments(22)

Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

HaHa, Greg!  Too funny!

Lou--many will but, I'm not putting too much faith in answers of honesty and integrity coming through on the 17th.

 

Oct 11, 2011 03:24 PM
Miriam Bernstei
Rochester, NY

Spot on Debe, I am as incensed about this as you are.  This was slimy.  There isn't much he can say on the 17th the action speaks for itself.

Oct 11, 2011 03:35 PM
Loreena and Michael Yeo
3:16 team REALTY ~ Locally-owned Prosper TX Real Estate Co. - Prosper, TX
Real Estate Agents

Debe - I dont like #1 more than I dont like #2.

I dont like the fact that Redfin decides what's transparency for ALL of us and when is just producing statistical data in itself transparent. What good could, would come out of this without interpretation?

I've said many times, this should not be all-inclusive. Whomever who wishes to be paraded can opt-in, not opt-out of the charade. I still believe so.

Oct 11, 2011 03:36 PM
Christine Hooks
Pino Agency - Pennsville, NJ
Celebrating 25 Years in Real Estate!

Debe, your words voice what many of us are feeling.  Thank you for being one of those who are leading the charge.

Oct 11, 2011 03:53 PM
Fred Carver Real Estate Consulant
Retired BC Realtor - Victoria, BC
Accredited Real Estate Consultant

Hi Debe...We're all in agreement these people have no ethics...!! What is wrong here is they'll get our Google Juice being on our Blog next week and all the chatter in the comments, Just ignore them don't post about them and don't show up, put your time to better use like helping someone

Oct 11, 2011 03:54 PM
Kirsten Lindquist
Pacific Union International - Sonoma, CA
Realtor - Sonoma Wine Country

Hi Debe:  It's challenging to work in this business these days if we are commited to ethical practices.   There seems to be a growing number of slimy characters who are advocating the use of any means to attract prospective and unsuspecting buyers and sellers.  I've never liked Redfin or Zillow because neither seem to  focus on the best interests of consumers.  They are operating to make money off desparate real estate salespeople.  They are doing nothing to enhance public perception of agents...sadly the opposite is true.

Oct 11, 2011 04:20 PM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

Debe, interesting introduction - almost a post in itself for this re-blog.

Let's see what Sharkfin has to say on 17th....

Oct 11, 2011 04:26 PM
Richard Weisser
Richard Weisser Realty - Newnan, GA
Richard Weisser Retired Real Estate Professional

Debe...

Your preaching to the choir here. I wonder why AR is giving this guy a soapbox?

Oct 11, 2011 04:55 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

Miriam - Agreed--slimy is a good word for this!

Loreena - Well, not asking permission is yet another infraction.  I wonder what brainiac came up with this ridiculous scheme?!

Chris - You're welcome--I'm terribly incensed by this, as you can tell!

Fred - Hope you're doing well!  Yes, I agree--that's why I'm not using their name at all in this post--Sharkfin is a better description in my mind anyway!

Kirsten - I've heard alot of people compare Zillow to Sharkfin.  In my opinion, the Zillow inaccuracies are GOOD for my business!  When the consumer calls to confirm, I get the honor of giving them the REAL scoop.  As well, Zillow is NOT a competing broker--the ethics is a BIG issue for me and most people who are incensed by this--inaccuracies are secondary, in my opinion.  Using YOUR name to gain SEO is bad business practice--framing someone's sight, well, that's just like covering their yard sign with my company's logo and my smiling face.

Praful - I know, I know!  I thought I could be short but, for me, it's impossible!!  LOL

Oct 11, 2011 05:28 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

Richard, As I told Rich, who said on AR's post that Mr. Sharkfin needs to wear steel armor...it will be Milk Bone underwear on the 17th!

Oct 11, 2011 05:30 PM
Jane Peters
Home Jane Realty - Los Angeles, CA
Los Angeles real estate concierge services

I also don't see the purpose of this "interview".  What on earth is there that this guy can say that could possibly put this right?  And saying that he took down the scouting report because he realized it wasn't fair. It was never his intention to be fair it was hit intention to sell Redfish.  End of story.

Oct 11, 2011 06:43 PM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

Debe, great post & i have no problem with competition but as you put it this is not an equal playing field because the consumer believes what they read on line most of the time...skewed data and hijacking seo to benefit their agents is more than troubling...

Oct 11, 2011 11:26 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

Janie,  I think that the meeting on the 17th is simply going to be an ethics class for this young CEO, not an interview, IF the members are going to be allowed to voice their concerns over the many infractions that have occurred here.  Listen, I'm no 'tattletale,' nor do I very often call FOUL but, this really has my dander up.  I'm all about being fair and ethical and this just screams of INTENTIONAL misconduct--it simply HAS to be addressed.  ActiveRain, NOT being a competing broker, is doing the right thing by allowing our members to voice these concerns.  Kudos to Niki for approaching them to allow this to happen.

Ginny, As I said above, it's all about playing nicely in the sandbox.  You don't play fair, word of mouth spreads rather quickly and you're soon ostracized.  Why any broker would want to do that to their agents is beyond me--ESPECIALLY in our current market!  

Oct 12, 2011 02:14 AM
Melissa Zavala
Broadpoint Properties - Escondido, CA
Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County

There is nothing wrong with full transparency--as long as it is accurate. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Oct 12, 2011 03:02 AM
Elva Branson-Lee
Solid Source Realty GA - Atlanta, GA
CDPE - Atlanta Real Estate & Short Sale Agent

I have tried to find the so-called  report on their site to see if I'm in it. I know they are in the ATlanta market but didn't see a link to the report. How does one get to the report?

Oct 12, 2011 06:32 AM
Larry Brewer - Benchmark Realty llc
Benchmark Realty LLc - Nashville, TN

Debe - I'm sure that a lot of realtors are now wishing that they had the same legal protections that we have. I make sure to support the government officials who support the local people.

Oct 12, 2011 07:05 AM
Justin Dibbs
Fairway Independent Mortgage - Ashburn, VA
Mortgage Advisor

I don't know how the call on the 17th can possibly help this guy.  I'm probably not going to attend as his attempt to spin the situation will probably just piss me off more.

Oct 12, 2011 09:39 AM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

I am going to listen.  They are NOT in my market.  I was just barely paying attention to it until someone said something about the Scouting Report showing up so well in the SERP. 

Oct 14, 2011 07:46 AM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

Melissa,  The data is not so much the issue as them stealing our signs and covering it with theirs!  The meta tagging issue is a terrible breach in our COE's and SOP's.  This is not about transparency at all--that's their own little spin to cover their bad behavior!

Elva:  They have disabled the report because of all of the negative publicity.  It is no longer available.  But, search your name and you'll likely find it attached to Sharkfin - stealing yours and your brokers juice.

Larry:  SAME HERE!  This is personal business information and is no concern of our competitors--especially having it posted online for the world to see.  I've discussed this with doctors, lawyers and local business owners just to get their perspective on it.  Their comments were, needless to say, much the same as ours.  "Why that's NO one's business!"  One physician friend of mine even commented that MOST of his own family have no clue what his income is--why would he want it in front of the WORLD!  

Justin:  Me too!  I want to listen but, I don't!  I'm already incensed by this and they can't possibly do anything more than rile me up all over again!!  Another BIG issue for me is--working in an area with TONS of agents, I see the good, the bad and the ugly.  We have high producing agents who would be at the very top of their scouting list that are simply horrible to work with.  They are known for contractually 'capturing' the client, to the point of the client thinking that there is no out for them.  Terribly displeased, they follow through with the transaction because they think they HAVE to!  On the other hand, there are agents who don't have the numbers but, know their business and provide world-class customer service.  They would be squelched by this.  That is upsetting to me because I love seeing newbies in the business--they re-vitalize it each time one enters the profession!  

Maureen:  It's not just the scouting report--they have tied themselves to agents names across the country and are basically 'stealing' their leads via meta tagging, in an effort to refer these leads out to their so-called partners.  

Oct 14, 2011 06:37 PM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

did you listen?  What did you  think?

Oct 17, 2011 10:34 AM