water circling the drain

The real estate industry has been going through significant changes over the past few years. Doomsday predictions about Realtor demise have been heard from coast to coast, brought on by a variety of Internet based companies who think they have the answer.

This invasion of real estate has not gone unnoticed or undefended.  Agents who for years have been the gate keeper to the MLS fought the battle to keep the keys out of the consumers hands.  That battle was lost and now we know that's OK. We have learned real estate is local and will always be local.

Some have also learned the Internet is a medium, it is not the market.  Yes, we have all had the occasion to sell a property sight-unseen by the buyer thanks to digitial photo technology and the Internet.  But the reality is this is the exception to the rule.  Most homes are not sold sight  unseen and we are not likely to see a change happening there. 

What the medium of the Internet has done is bring the world to our door.  The far-reaching effects of marketing listings on the web have provided a much larger audience.  Listing agents who utilitize the Internet in marketing have learned the importance of properly presenting the property because most likely the buyer will find the property on the web.

Countless new business models have emerged from this easy access to listings.  Some born out of the public's desire to Save the Commission.  One of these models offers buyers a 75% REBATE if they sign up and buy a house from them.   The buyer gets to search for a home online.  When the get the list of homes they want to see, they call this company who then sets the appointment with the listing agent. 

Clueless

There are many problems with this business model.  First the consumer is being set up to believe they will be saving money. Apart from the obvious (to us REALTORS) issue regarding agency, the buyers are completely ignorant of the local protocol between showing and listing agents.  We have responsibilities that go with each side of the job.  Typically those responsibilities do not cross over to the other side of the transaction.

Animosity

When a buyer has a listing agent show them a home on behalf of a company that is not present, they are asking for trouble.   Yes, the listing agent has a commitment with the seller to find a buyer for that property, but the listing agent does not have to do this for free. When a buyer expects a REBATE they are asking the listing agent to work twice as hard for half as much.  This expectation is not acceptable nor is it sustainable for a listing agent.  Expecting this service for free can and will backfire.

 Getting paid for doing nothing?

The trouble with this model is evident on many levels.  First, who's there for the buyer?  Who is going to explain the home buying process?  Real estate protocols and laws change from area to area and state to state.  How can unseen Internet broker be up to date and savvy in every market?  The truth is, they can't.  Having an unseen, absent broker represent a buyer is an accident waiting to happen.  A local broker with deep smarts and negotiation skills will out negotiate the Internet broker. It doesn't take much to lose all a buyer might hope to gain by taking this route.

Consumers Take Heed...Information is NOT understanding

Buyers who believe finding a home and buying it via a sight unseen REBATE company is a good thing need to consider other factors.  Finding a home is not difficult when you are using the Internet and know the territory. The problem arises in not what you know, but what you don't know.  Buying a home is not like buying stock.  100 shares of Google is well, 100 shares of Google.   With real estate that is seldom the case, we generally have to compare apples to oranges for values.  Determining the value is a task that is best done with agents who are familiar with the market, who have most likely been in and out of the neighborhood.  Just because there is a price on a home, it doesn't mean the price is your price. 

A Solution...Listing Brokers Must Set Standards

As listing agents it will become very important for Brokerages to set some basic standards for selling agents to "earn their" fees.  For example as we are advertising our "co-broke fee" in the MLS, there will be an asternic there with the standards of what the "selling side" must do to earn the co-brokerage fee.  If they can live up to the Standards, they will get paid, if they don't, they won't get paid.

 Price does not equal value

Consumers not knowing values is of great concern.  Working as a buyer's agent many times I discover situations that enable us to negotiate prices that are far better than one would ever imagine.  Other times we discover the most important thing is to get the home, at whatever cost it takes. Negotiation isn't always about price.

Fiduciary Duties Also Mean Allegiance to the outcome

Unseen, unpresent representation is detached.  From a consumer perspective this is detrimental, who will be your cheerleader?  Who will come to your rescue when things go sour?  Real estate transactions are not as easy as they seem.  The consumer seldom sees how hard we are working behind the scenes, particulary when something goes wrong.  Agents take on business and do become devoted to the outcome, they become advocates for the buyers they represent.  Dealing with a REBATER with whom you are just a number in the great scheme of things, brings with it a detachment that is detrimental to the consumer.

So Who is Circling the Drain?

We all are.  The consumer will go down the tubes if they continue to think that having the real estate information is the same as understanding it.  The real estate industry will go down the drain if they fail to recognize the industry is changing and we need to change with it. 

Survival depends on how we deal with these changes.  We cannot ignore them and continue on with business as usual.  We need to address the issues and implement the changes soon.

Suggestions for Consideration

Setting standards.  Helping the consumer understand the process, so it's not a mystery to them, will aid in their understanding of what we do.  Our value in not in finding homes, our value is in being a proactive trusted advisor through the process.

Give the consumer a choice.  If they want to go for the Rebate real estate, let them, but also help them understand the pitfalls they may encounter.

Stop paying a Co-op fee.  Discount brokers, lead aggragators and unpresent interlopers prey on the co-op fee.  By removing, it will become necessary for agents to list the buyers just like listing a seller.  The agent will need to hone their buyer agency skills just like those of the listing agents.

The Cycle of the Consumer has begun.  For agents who can accept the changes and make the shift, there will be plenty of opportunity.  For agents who can't, you will be flushed.  Remember the definition of insanity?

           When you keep on doing the same old thing, but expect to get different results.  

 We can't keep doing the same old thing and expect things to change.  We must be proactive and change them. When we do, we will get better results!

 

 
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41 Comments on Circling the Drain

DEC
09
2006
242,989 Points 11 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Wow! That is a lot of information, but I agree so much of what we do is based on standards, principles  and integrity.
3:04pm • #1
345,574 Points 11 Featured Posts Outside Blog

You go girl...tell it like it is.......

Clients NEED to recognise we are trained professionals...just because SOME agents are like...well... dumb blondes or brute beasts...

WE need to let them see the truth...real estate is not easy to do......

NOT EVERYONE is cut out for it.... present company accepted of course.. ;-D

3:17pm • #2
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This is not a big problem for us, but, based on this conversation in the past, Homefinders.com has a POLICY. 

If the listing agent wishes to make the appointment and have us show, there is a 25% reduction in the BA fee.  Our lisitngs are all on lockbox.  Agents can show without calling.  But, if they call for us to show, that understanding will be in writing before our agent will show. 

I will also make sure that the BA has provided the buyer with an agency disclosure.  No agency disclosure, no BA agreement, there is a likelihood that our agent will sell them a house and not pay them a co-op at all.  Let them file a complaint.  They'll have a hard time protecting a fee they didn't earn.

If they offered the buyer a rebate, shucks, I'll match it. 

I can think of 100 ways to send these jokers back to the drawing board. 

Lenn

3:28pm • #3
185,700 Points 28 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Excellent post, KK-and another example of why we have to continually educate our clients as to what we're actually DOING out there for them.  We have to improve ourselves, the industry, and change the paradigm.
3:33pm • #4
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Kristal,  Great post.  Your brain is working fine after the party last night.  How did it go?  You are, no doubt, the super power your husband believes you to be! 

As for those internet based companies, offering buyers rebates:
Has a buyer ever asked "how can you offer me a rebate"?  Well, the truthful answer, of course, would be: "We do nothing (but tap into someones else's data base, for what we get paid, so giving you a rebate still gives us cause to do a happy dance all the way to the bank".

You are so right on every point.  My favorites:
"Information is NOT understanding" and
"Finding a home is not difficult when you are using the Internet and know the territory. The problem arises in not what you know, but what you don't know".

 

3:37pm • #5
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You are so right!  Well written post BRAVO!
3:42pm • #6
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Great post...thanks for giving us a very clear view of your perspective.
3:50pm • #7
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Outstanding, KK.  I hope you send this in for the CoRE.

Many parts that I loved.  Defining the performance expected from the coop agent is super.  I'm going to wrap my head around seeing how I can implement that.  If I had figured it out a few months ago, I would have a nice 5 figure commission check in my account right now instead of in some other lazy agent's.

3:50pm • #8
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Great idea to have performance standards for co-op fees. I also like not offering a co-op and having separate representation and fees, though I think the lenders would have to change and include the buyer's agent fee in addition to the house to get the "price", obviously as long as it's supported by an appraisal.

 

3:57pm • #9
478,070 Points 151 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Kristal...  even though it was long....from someone that thinks mine are long...  ;o)  That was an excellent post. Not only well written, but it all makes sense.  Many of us just realize that people expect things to be cheaper, if it comes from the internet.

As much as what Zillow has been trying to do, it will only last so long. Just like when Lending Tree went out and did this big market campaign about 5 years ago. Telling clients that they can get 4 quotes from lenders shopping for the best deal for them. Basically just lenders or loan officers that have no clue about service, but over promising. With the changing real estate market, word does travel. And if that doesn't happen, bad experiences happen, that word does travel.

As you said...  for the most part, houses still need to be shown. Point blank.  Again, very good.

4:04pm • #10
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Another beauty from KK. The internet wants money from every industry and for the most part it has improved our industry, but yes unfortunately even with the best "virtual tour" eventually your really going to have to SEE the house and that is where I come in. Whoo - good thing this internet is just a fad! :)~
4:24pm • #12
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KK,

Yes, we must change how we represent our clients. Illinois passed a minimum standards law which definitely helped.

What I've found, however, is that the internet buyers I work with want my help. They know they can see homes online. But, they also know that they don't know the area!

I send out listings to my buyer clients so that they get familar with the area and with pricing. I include the property address. Do they go around me? No, not the clients I represent. Why? Because I explain all the things that I do! And, how this benefits them.

Do I worry about 'discount', 'rebate', or 'no-service' brokerage? No, I just concentrate on working with those clients who want to work with me. And, there's plenty out there!

4:32pm • #13
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Well said!

By the way, you spelled "Animosity" wrong.

I believe an Anomosity is a sea creature you find in a tide pool. :)

4:32pm • #14
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Damn this is right on. The only people who are circling the drain are those agents who are unwilling to adapt to take advantage of the changes in the marketplace. The Internet is NOT going to replace the value a great real estate agent brings to the table. This is going to separate the wheat from the chaff. The booming market allowed mediocrity to have it's 15 minutes of fame. Those 15 minutes are officially up.
4:40pm • #15
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There will always be room in the market for ethical, hard working Realtors and Mortgaeg Originators. Technology is a multiplier. It can be used by good professionals to improve their business and by the poor professionals to ruin their business. We need to embrace the advantages technology and information bring us.

Realtors are the troops on the group. Excellent post.

4:40pm • #16

Great post - I think we should stop paying co-op fees.  Buyers should hire an agent to represent them. 

Your posting is right on target - we have to change

4:54pm • #17
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Really good post Kristal, I think with all the info available to buyers and sellers they are going to need us even more. They will have too much info and not know how to apply it. That's where we come in.
5:23pm • #18
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I totally agree, Kristal.  I think the buyers will become wise to this as they have to the discount brokers.  Would it be wrong to ask the internet company to pay me a referral fee for showing THEIR buyer my listing? 
5:25pm • #19
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5:54pm • #20
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Great post Kristal.  I have always loved the definition of insanity!
5:56pm • #21
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Holy Moly.  Mucho INFORMACION!  This is great, very thorough.  Thanks for sharing!
7:32pm • #22
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"A Solution...Listing Brokers Must Set Standards

As listing agents it will become very important for Brokerages to set some basic standards for selling agents to "earn their" fees.  For example as we are advertising our "co-broke fee" in the MLS, there will be an asternic there with the standards of what the "selling side" must do to earn the co-brokerage fee.  If they can live up to the Standards, they will get paid, if they don't, they won't get paid"

 

Oh how true...how true...

7:57pm • #23
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Kristal - THis post was put together beautifully! I must agree with every point that you made. It only concretes my opinion that if we are to be successful against this new "competition" we need to acknowledge who and what they really are and educate the public as to why we are better... and yes, there will still be those that choose "them" but education is the key!

This was my favorite thing that you said, "The consumer will go down the tubes if they continue to think that having the real estate information is the same as understanding it." 

8:21pm • #24
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You always have informative material.  Some will embrace changes  while other's won't. To beat the competion we will need to keep up with the industry and be willing to make changes.  Them use the various mediums to educate the consumer.
10:45pm • #25
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Now that's a good post!

Perhaps the greatest benefit of blogging will be that the consumer will recognize that there are many agents who are actually concerned about their clients' interests. 

11:33pm • #26
DEC
10
2006
186,451 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog
Excellent post!  We have on our MLS a coop fee for non-MLS members that each agent sets for themselves.  For out of town agents, and situations like the rebate company, they only receive 1% in most cases.
4:51am • #27
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Kristal, Thanks for the post. Did I hear someone say Consumer Centric Model?

This issue of the company offering a 75% rebate to the buyer, brings to mind the question of PROCURING CLAUSE. What constitutes introduction to a property - presenting a copy of a listing indicating that the property is available or actually showing the property? Has the broker with this company, perform the duties a broker owes to a customer, when they simply provide a copy of a listing? Finally, If my showing the property and effort to assist the buyer in purchasing the property (home inspection, appraisal etc.), create an uninterrupted chain of events, leading to a consummated transaction, Have I not met the standards of the litmus test? Sounds to me at best the company gets a referral fee!

7:56am • #28
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Stop paying a Co-op fee.  Discount brokers, lead aggragators and unpresent interlopers prey on the co-op fee.  By removing, it will become necessary for agents to list the buyers just like listing a seller.

I've been saying for a couple of years that Buyers need to be as selective as Sellers when "hiring" their representation, and that eventually Sellers will pay the listing side and Buyers will pay the Buyer Broker side of the commission.  Sounds like I'm not alone in that opinion!

10:11am • #29

Terrific KK

The Internet has its purpose in Real Estate and that is to INFORM the consumer and to MARKET listings.  It will never replace the human element of having a good Realtor represent a buyer or seller.

Nicki

Nicki Conway
1:16pm • #30
349,850 Points 38 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Kristal, another well written post. Another great visual!

I want to congratulate you on your being mentioned in the WCR Connections Magazine December 2006 page 12. Thee is a very pretty picture of your entire face!

www.HomeRome.com

2:45pm • #31
Great post! Like I said in a comment the other day. we have to educate clients. Most Buyers would understand this with a little information. Their cost is the same, represented or not.
3:51pm • #32
JAN
03
2007
363,418 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog

MF ~ Thank you for all your hard work in putting the contest together.

Thank you all for your previous comments.  I appreciate your support and input.

kk

9:40pm • #34
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Cool a shiny naked guy!  :)  Thanks!

kk

11:27pm • #36
JAN
04
2007
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Congradulations Kristal!  One of the best posts I've read all year!
11:57am • #37
363,418 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Thanks for the nomination Jessica, I appreciate you nood of approval!

kk

12:40pm • #38
JAN
09
2007
271,964 Points 42 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Wow Krystal

A naked guy and good advise.  I need to re-read this one at least two more times.... You bring up an interesting point about co-broke fees. I just had a "buyer" who would only work with the listing agent. She never said why- she ended up buying in a different town- while I am all for getting the whole commission I felt like she would not let me help her to the best of my ability.

6:47am • #39
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Allison ~ going directly to the listing agent usually means one of two things.

  1. they are trying to "save" the commission and will negotiate to that end.
  2. they don't know any better

In the long run it's cutting off you nose to spite your face.  Hooking up with a good agent to help you find the "right" home will be fair more beneficial that trying to "go it alone."

so you like my naked guy?  :)  I'm tickled to have him sitting on my mantle!

kk

8:22am • #40
MAY
29
2007
Outside Blog

I love this!  Great writing and good advice.  I'm writing on my blog about this subject and I'm going to link to yours if you don't mind. 

 

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