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Haunted houses - to tell or not to tell a buyer

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Services for Real Estate Pros with Goomzee Corporation

In the spirit of Halloween, I thought I would ask the specifics on selling a house that may have spirits lingering within.  When I think about the possibility of a house being haunted, it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.  I'm the girl that can't hardly step out into the back yard alone at night.  I used to have to let my dog out for the last potty break of the evening before heading to bed.  Just waiting for him on the porch was hard enough.  I can relate to Forest Gump when he said, "wherever I went, I was runnin'!"  I hear creepy stories of houses being haunted and it gives me the eebie jeebies.  Then I think about the experiences I have, and it's not really all so bad.  Here's why.

I spent the first 8 years of my life living on the outskirts of Kalispell, Montana.  My family had a house with about 8 acres surrounding and our property line boarded a private cemetery.  I never really thought about it being full of so called "energy", but people asked me about it more often than not.  "Do you ever see anything out there?" "Don't you get scared when you hear noises?"  I guess growing up next to it, I never knew any better.  I always thought those kind of questions were a bit ridiculous, but now that I think back, it is kind of wierd.  My brother used to set up tree forts right next to the fence line and spend all night out there.  God only knows what they were doing, hopefully not playing hide and seek behind the stones.  But it never really occurred to me that there might actually be ghosts, good or bad, right next to my house!

My dad spent most of his childhood growing up in a house where a man was murdered by his wife back in 1930.  Believe it or not, the small Eastern Montana town of Glasgow, Montana actually made headlines in Times Magazine, way back in the day.  Mr. Arnot was a prominent banker and well-to-do man of town, however, his wife was of a different opinion.  After hosting a dinner party one evening, Mrs. Arnot slipped some poison into his after dinner drink and proceeded to roll him into the living room rug, drag him down to the basement of the house, and light him on fire next to the furnace.  Of course she played the innocent card and ran out of her house screaming that her beloved husband had been murdered by an intruder, but the towns people knew it was no accident.  Years later, my grandfather, grandmother and their 7 kids moved in, my dad was assigned the only room in the basement, which was only accessible through the area of violence.  Although he did have access to the cellar door for his evening escapes and the only shower in the house was located next to his room (hard to imagine when there is 3 levels in the house) but I don't think I would have chosen that room for myself.  Up until the day my grandmother sold her house 3 years ago, I took the quickest showers possible so I wouldn't be down there alone any longer than necessary.  Being an old house, creeks, cracks and rattles continuously sounded throughout the days and nights.  I slept on the top floor of my twin aunts room and it always took me ages to get to sleep.  My brothers and sister told me that Mrs. Arnot has actually chopped up the body of her husband and put him in the furnace.  So his soul actually traveled throughout the house and ended up right next to the bed I lay in and watched me as I slept.  Sick joke, why do they always do that to me!!!!  One of the last times I slept in that house I'm convinced that I actually heard some events just outside the house, but that's the closest I have ever come to actually thinking that ghosts exist.  I awoke midway through the night to pipes banging, and it sounded like it was just beneath my window.  I opened the window a tad to peak and didn't see a thing, but the noise kept getting louder and louder and suddenly stopped.  To this day, no one admits they heard the pipes, but I know I wasn't dreaming.

Do Realtors know the whole history of homes before they sell them? And if they do, do you have to tell the potential buyers about the possibility of haunting?

Happy Halloween and feel free to share your stories!!!

Erika


Goomzee Corporation
Goomzee Corporation - Missoula, MT
www.goomzee.com

Thank you everyone for your comments and stories!  It's amazing how many people have actually experienced these types of things!  The body parts disclosure makes sense, I'd be a little nervous if i opened the attic to find an arm!  I suppose even if my Realtor told me about it to begin with, I'd still freak out!

The marketing of an old house like that is pretty cool.  The stories behind old houses are so interesting, and that one sounds like it really had a great history.. in a good way.  Some histories I'd probably rather NOT know.

The house that shocks people would make me a little nervous as well.  Weird that it had so much power within it that it made you cry, Kathy.  That would definitely make me not want to go in there again! 

Nov 01, 2007 03:08 AM
Anonymous
Donna Glenn

My first house was a haunted house.  It was a cute 2 bedroom, 1 bath small home.  The interior had not been changed in the 50+ years ago it had been built.  But that all changed when I bought the home.  I ripped out green carpet that revealed beautiful hardwood flooring.  I did not move into it while I was renovating it but I spent many hours in the evening there.  Some of the strange hauntings were finding small traces of splattered blood on a window sill and a kitchen counter that had not been there before.  One night when I had just laid down for bed, I heard an outside door open into the house and footsteps that walked about three steps and then stopped.  Shaking under my covers I eased my arm out from under them and grabbed my telephone next to me and called my fiancee' to come over "quick!"  He found nothing but I heard the noise.  He would have been skeptical about it had he not felt someone peering over his shoulders one night while he was alone in the house scraping some wallpaper.  It spooked him so bad he left immediately.  Another incident is when I found a petrified black crow inside my very aged electric heater.  It was an eerie sight.  The bird stared at me through the screen.  Totally freaked me out. The last incident that happened was when my (then) husband was sitting at the top of the pull-down attic stairs looking over some paperwork.  I stood on the floor below him talking when suddenly I saw flying through the air (no joke) a piece of exercise equipment aimed for his head.  I yelled "Look out!", he ducked his head and the piece of equipment landed at my feet putting several indentations into the wood floor.  The look on his face as he raced down those stairs was priceless.  Soon after, we sold the house FSBO and moved. 

I didn't disclose that I thought the house may be haunted to the new buyer.  A year later I saw her in town.  She walked up to me and said "I have something very strange to tell you but I think the house you sold me is haunted."    :)

Nov 01, 2007 06:35 AM
#36
Goomzee Corporation
Goomzee Corporation - Missoula, MT
www.goomzee.com
Donna, that is extremely scary!  I would have ran out of that house after seeing the blood spots mysteriously appearing.  Thanks for sharing your story.  I shared with a friend and he mentioned that there is another reason for him not to buy exercise equipment. haha!
Nov 01, 2007 09:36 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous

Erica, I loved your story, told well and I asked for stories yeasterday also. Yes, I guess we do have to disclose if we know. Personally, I would not want to know!!

Brandy Washburn

Nov 01, 2007 10:22 AM
#38
Kirk Mulhearn
Prudential California Realty/Gem Mortgage - Long Beach, CA
Yes, I feel that a ghost can be harmless enough, but when it is hostile or evil, I would never take the listing and If I knew about it I would definatly disclose it...
Nov 01, 2007 03:30 PM
Jacqueline Fortier
JC Penny Realty - Davenport, FL
Homes for Sale in Central Florida

As long as they weren't noisy ghosts and let me get a good nights sleep.

Live and let...........umm haunt.

Nov 01, 2007 04:12 PM
Gene Allen
Fathom Realty - Cary, NC
Realty Consultant for Cary Real Estate
We don't have to disclose anything that is not a material fact.  Our current house is haunted by we think a little girl.  I don't know why as the girl that originally lived here came by for halloween last year or at least we think it was a real girl.
Nov 02, 2007 02:32 AM
Goomzee Corporation
Goomzee Corporation - Missoula, MT
www.goomzee.com

Thanks everyone for your comments on this blog.  It's been interesting on everyone point of views and different state laws.  I am amazed at the amount of people who have experienced this kind of thing.  I think it's the whole unexpected part that really gets me.  I think maybe once I got used to having a ghost around, I'd be alright.  But I'd rather not deal with it at all :) 

Nov 05, 2007 01:42 AM
Anonymous
izzy

I just read all the comments and had to tell you this.

My parents friends were selling their older century home, and had written a book in the process. Now, they sold their house, and keeping the buyers in the loop, they gave them a copy of their just published book-they were two weeks away from closing...Whilst reading this book, the buyers came across the section that the house is haunted, and the wife instantly freaked, and they have since backed out of the deal-this is now taken to the courts and both sides are fighting hard.

Our house is haunted by the first owner who lived in this house built in 1906, and she has been spotted by contractors (one actually asked was my grandmother deaf because he called to her and she didn't answer-at the time I was outside with his buddy and no one else was in the house!) and other people notice "cold spots" (hmm, maybe drafts?) anyhow, she seemed irate with us at first, slamming doors, turning the faucets on, flicking lights on and off, and generally keeping us on our toes-now she's more placid and has turned quite benevolent-we tried to keep the house (arts and crafts) as true to the period as we could-but her velvet wallpaper had to go! However, we were convinced something had happened to her-a walled up chimney that we uncovered was splattered with what looked like blood in an alcove that hadn't been touched since the home was built in 1906. Which is just too weird, who builds a home, murders them, then boards up the space-where's the body? My husband figures it's in behind the other wall space in our bedroom-which explains why I unwittingly put the bed under the window instead of along that wall! We're too scared to check out our theory-we'll let our new buyers find out for themselves!

 

 

Mar 04, 2008 11:14 AM
#43
Goomzee Corporation
Goomzee Corporation - Missoula, MT
www.goomzee.com

Wow, I guess I'm not sure as to whether I would buy a house if it was haunted either.  I don't blame the lady for freaking out!!  The people shouldn't have given her the book until closing day. Maybe it could have been a nice gift... haha.

OH I don't think I would want to know the answer to that either.  AHH That is just creepy to me.  I suppose when someone goes to really remodel and replace the sheetrock, they'll find the answer to your question... EEK.  I probably would have gone crazy.  As for the velvet wallpaper, sometimes there are just things you have to change! hehe.  Thanks for sharing, great story! 

Mar 05, 2008 02:03 AM
Charlie Arthur, CCIM
RE/MAX FIRST, INC. - Port Townsend, WA
I currently have an 1889 Victorian Mansion for sale www.charliearthur.com see a movie of the house at this site.  The owners have owned the house for over 20 years and never saw or felt a ghost...but locals have said it is haunted.  Not much evidence to back it up.  So far, hauntings are not on the seller disclosure statement:)
Mar 05, 2008 03:18 AM
Goomzee Corporation
Goomzee Corporation - Missoula, MT
www.goomzee.com
Charlie, that does look like the "stereotypical" haunted house, so I can see why people would think that.  I can't imagine that after 20 years of no haunting, that it would be... but who knows, someone may have just spread that rumor years ago just becuase of it's presence.  That looks like a fun house.. great for a bed and breakfast!  Good luck selling it!!
Mar 05, 2008 03:24 AM
Anonymous
Heidi

When we sold our house in CA we had to answer a question if anybody ever died in the house because people of certain  cultures avoided houses that a person died in

Sep 14, 2010 12:10 PM
#47
Anonymous
bob arnot

Loooove to hear more about the Arnot haunted house.  My father grew up there!!!!

Nov 14, 2010 03:25 AM
#48
Anonymous
N. L. Thompson

Hi Bob Arnot,  We have  Family connection through Anna Berrigan Arnot and my  Maria Berrigan Scott.  They were sisters.  Your Father, Dr.Robert visited his Aunt Maria in St Paul on numerous occasions..I visited your Father's home in  Glasgow a few years ago.  A lovely house.    

Care to communicate?

Nancy 

 

Mar 23, 2012 10:45 AM
#49
Anonymous
Jeannie

My sister-in-law owns this house.....it's a great house and she bought it only BECASE it is said to be haunted.  In Glasgow they call it the "Beebe House".....awesome to see your story as it is almost exactly how the papers told it.  :)

Sep 28, 2012 06:38 AM
#50
Anonymous
Nancy Scott Thompson

Would love to communicate to Jennie, the true story of the murder at the "Arnot House" aka  the The "BeeBe House" in Glasgow Montana.  How do I know what really happened that night?  Because the wife, Anna, was my grand Aunt, her husband, the victim.  Can't always believe what your read in the papers! 

Warm wishes,

Nancy Scott Thompson

 

Sep 29, 2012 07:20 AM
#51
Anonymous
bob arnot

That was my grandfather. What a devestating day for my poor father to loose both of his parents for all time.

Sep 30, 2012 01:26 PM
#52
Anonymous
Nancy Scott Thompson

Bob , May we communicat directly?  I can't imagine how devistating this horrific event was for your father and his brother.   Yor Father and I communicted for sometime and your Mother continued that communication at Christmas times.  sirius@tds.net

Regards,

Nancy

Oct 01, 2012 12:02 AM
#53
Anonymous
Jeannie

sorry...I mis-typed....it should be the Beede house....it is almost all done being re modeled and look so wonderful...my sister in law has great decorating taste...:P

Jun 26, 2013 06:05 PM
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