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There's no i in Realty. -mis-spelled domain name issues

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Leslie Prest, Prest Realty, Sales and Rentals in Payson, AZ

Has anyone else run into this? You try to register a common mis-spelling of your domain name, and find that someone has beat you to it and it goes to a generic, "we'll find you an agent" page?
As REALTORS we know that a large part of the public (heck- half the REALTORS) pronounce it real-i-tor, or real-i-ty. Our Company name is Prest Realty. I tried, a couple of years ago, to register PrestReality.com because when we opened our office some of our bills (even from Qwest, who should know better) came addressed that way. When I tried, to my surprise I found that http://www.prestreality.com/ (note the i in reality) goes to http://www.reaalestate.com/ (again, note the mis-spelling). On that site there are links to various companies who are probably legitimate, and MAY be paying the site for the ads, and probably don't realize they are doing business with a company that gets hits by cheating.
I've looked into "resolving domain name disputes" and the basic instructions are to hire a lawyer. Now it really isn't worth it to us to hire a lawyer, I doubt if the site is getting all THAT many hits, I'm careful to spell our name for people and to tell them "no i in any of it". But it is irritating. Why does some company think that they have to do business by cheating?

According to WhoIs, the domain name PrestReality.com is registered to

Navigation Catalyst Systems, Inc
2101 Rosecrans Ave.
#2000
El Segundo, CA 90245
Email: domainadmin@navigationcatalyst.com
Fax: 3106476001

We're a small, "Mom and Pop" office, and if they decided to "steal" our domain, I'm wondering just how many mis-spelled domains they have. Anyone else?

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Comments (16)

Fred Light
| Nashua Video Tours - Nashua, NH
Real Estate Video Tours for MA and NH

I wouldn't waste your time and money with lawyers.  Domain names are basically only protected by federal trademark registration.  If your name Prest Realty is a federally registered trademark, you have a chance, but it will still cost you money and time.  Lots of it, I'm sure.   You cannot federally register a personal name like Prest, so I highly doubt if you have any case whatsoever.  In fact, I would almost say for sure that you have none. Even if they actually registered your real domain name before you had, you still wouldn't have a case unfortunately. I wouldn't worry about the incorrectly spelled version.

I've been down this legal road before - I wouldn't waste even 5 minutes on it, as you won't get anywhere - it's not worth the effort. 

I always tell clients to buy every possible version of your domain including misspellings as it is a low cost insurance that someone else will not... because they will.  Guaranteed.


  

 

Nov 01, 2007 09:32 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services
I think some people buy up the misspellings so they can sell it back to you!  I guess there are all sorts of people out there who are looking for a way to take advantage and to make a quick dollar.  Good luck.
Nov 01, 2007 11:59 AM
FRANK LL0SA Esq.- Northern Virginia Broker .:. FranklyRealty.com
Northern Virginia Homes - FRANKLY REAL ESTATE Inc - Arlington, VA
You can do a keyword search analysis at submitexpress.com  and see that realty is misspelled 15% of the time!
Nov 01, 2007 02:49 PM
Leslie Prest
Leslie Prest, Prest Realty, Sales and Rentals in Payson, AZ - Payson, AZ
Owner, Assoc. Broker, Prest Realty, Payson,
Yeah, I figured its not worth pursuing. I'm just wondering if that company has anyone else's mis-spellings taken.
Nov 02, 2007 05:45 AM
Ann Heitland
Retired from RE/MAX Peak Properties - Flagstaff, AZ
Retired from Flagstaff Real Estate Sales
If the name is used for the purpose of diverting business from a name legally registered as a DBA name, you can get them for misrepresentation and fair trade violations. But it would cost a lot of money. To try to scare them into thinking you are crazy enough to spend the time and effort, write a strong letter threatening suit. That could be worth 1/2 hour
Nov 04, 2007 11:34 PM
Fred Light
| Nashua Video Tours - Nashua, NH
Real Estate Video Tours for MA and NH

Ann...  unfortunately, a DBA name is worthless in regards to domain names.  The only thing that actually matters in court disputes for domain names is a federally registered trademark.  And you can't register a personal name.  

As far as a DBA, if the company is VERY WELL known in a marketplace.... VERY WELL known....   you could possibly win in that situation, that someone is purposely trying to divert business away. And the sole decision would be up to the judge to decide.  However, it would cost in the TENS of thousands of dollars to get involved in a suit like that, and it's a 50/50 chance of winnin.

Unfortunately, I've been down this road before.....

If you're ever really concerned about domain names, etc., it would be worth the small cost to federally register your name.  Then you actually have a strong case with ICANN.

 

Nov 05, 2007 12:11 AM
Tim Bradford
Cleveland, OH
NMLS 250013
I have seen this many times.   I remember when www.yaho.com and www.yahooo.com to you to other sites.   I just checked those two and see Yahoo must have purchased those names.  
Nov 05, 2007 12:51 AM
Leslie Prest
Leslie Prest, Prest Realty, Sales and Rentals in Payson, AZ - Payson, AZ
Owner, Assoc. Broker, Prest Realty, Payson,
I figured it isn't worth the money it would cost to pursue it. I'm watching the domain, and if it ever comes available I'll buy it. I posted here wondering if anyone else has that company with their mis-spellings. Evidently not.  Wonder how they happened on getting the one like ours. It's not like we're a big company. We're well known only in our tiny market.
Nov 05, 2007 03:55 AM
Jon Mitchell
Classic Property Management - Santa Clarita, CA
Interesting!  I would not have even thought of that.  I am going to start my search for misspelled names.  Some people are pretty sneaky!
Dec 06, 2007 07:57 AM
John Hokkanen
SurfTheTurf.com - Encinitas, CA
Encinitas Real Estate

There are a lot of folks who specialize in getting misspelled domain names.  Here's the question I have for you....would you have ever registered the other domain?  If you would not have done so (and I don't know that I would have), then just forget about it.  Now, if you WOULD have registered the other domain, then that's another matter.  Federal trademarks are pretty strong legal tools, but you do have to enforce them.  I looked at the site, and it's just a bunch of "reality" type links; they don't appear to be going after your clients.  So, even a trademark on PrestRealty might not get you anywhere since reality is a genuine word and it doesn't appear that there is any consumer confusion being generated (i.e., the other site doesn't look like yours or seeks to go after your clients).  Anyway, just some thoughts.

JohnH.

PS: We did take a trademark on our corporate identity so we could protect it if need should arise.

Jan 09, 2008 07:35 PM
Frank Jewett
tech4REpros - San Jose, CA

Elements required for trademark infringement:

  1. Prior rights in the trademark - either through use or registration.
  2. Commercial use
  3. Likelihood of confusion - there are 8 factors generally considered in determining likelihood of confusion and they are subject to a wide variety of interpretations and thus it is very difficult to predict accurately how a court will resolve the balancing of the factors.

Note the wording "either through use or registration" which implies that you do not need to federally register your trademark to protect it from infringement.  Cybersquatters have lost almost every case that ever went to trial because courts have no reason to side with a business model built on defrauding the consumer by creating confusion with a legitimate business.  Cybersquatters are the scum of the earth, but unfortunately much of their revenue comes directly from your pocket through advertising for REALTOR.com, state and local AOR real estate portals, and major real estate chains.  I wish organized real estate would set higher standards for their business partnerships, but the leadership is sadly oblivious to this issue and the volunteer directors don't have enough time to provide meaningful oversight of staff decisions on matters like this.

Your best bet would be to contact the legal department of your local or state AOR to see if they can provide a cease and desist letter that you can send to the cybersquatter and to the cybersquatter's domain host.  Cybersquatters will often give up rather than fight because they know they will likely lose in court.

I posted links to relevant articles in my AR blog a few weeks ago.  Look for cybersquatting or fugazi search engines.

Jan 09, 2008 08:27 PM
Leslie Prest
Leslie Prest, Prest Realty, Sales and Rentals in Payson, AZ - Payson, AZ
Owner, Assoc. Broker, Prest Realty, Payson,
Would I have gotten the domain? I was thinking about doing so, that's how I discovered the site. Are they going after "our" customers? Well, to the extent that they are going after RE customers, trying to turn them to other offices who are willing to pay their site to be there. It really irritates me, but as I stated above, I don't think it is worth our trying to do anything about it. I just wondered if this site is doing the same thing to otheroffices, I wonder why they targeted US. 
Jan 10, 2008 04:18 AM
Anonymous
Jason

As an attorney who is about to sue Navigation Catalyst, I can tell you that the company has already lost in arbitration to several other companies for similar acts.  They own over 800,000 domain names, all of them either mispellings of companies, or the actual company names themselves.  It may require an investment of some time and money, but if you try to get that domain name back, you will likely succeed.

Go for it - cybersquatting is like an internet plague.

 

May 29, 2008 02:47 AM
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Leslie Prest
Leslie Prest, Prest Realty, Sales and Rentals in Payson, AZ - Payson, AZ
Owner, Assoc. Broker, Prest Realty, Payson,

Interesting, Jason. Thanks for the information. It IS a plague.

May 29, 2008 06:29 AM
Charles Odom
Positive Properties LLC - Laurinburg, NC

Back in the year 2000 when I first started buying property to fix up and rent, I filed an assumed name with our court house as Positive Properties. A couple of years later, I checked online to see if anyone else was using that name, and they weren't but I wasn't ready for a website. I recently opened a Real Estate company a little over a year ago, and wanted to keep the name being I was going to be doing a lot of the same business that I had been doing. I checked for the domain and it was taken and I could purchase it for 700+. I decided to go with Positive Properties, LLC as the business name and was able to get that domain name. I checked to see if the name was available a couple of weeks ago without the LLC and the price was over 7000. I think someone bought it when they saw that I was interested in it so they could sell it back to me. What a rip off.

Tip: If any one is thinking about getting a domain name, be ready to purchase it if it is available.

May 29, 2008 02:04 PM
Robert Machado
HomePointe Property Management, CRMC - Sacramento, CA
CPM MPM - Property Manager and Property Management

Their business model is the get hits off the mispellings and make money on the paid links via GoogleAdWords or the like.  A real rip off company.

May 31, 2008 09:01 AM