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7 Comments on Repost - History of the Mortgage Collapse
Thank you for drawing my attention to this re-posted blog. I am also going to re-post it.
Good post Loren but don't forget to add real estate agents to the list of folks who made lots of $$$ on those not so sound transactions.
Good post Loren, I just wish people would see where this mess all started from in the first place. Everyone should be able to own a home the American Dream! Now the new title should be everyone shouldn't own a home the American disaster!
You say the blame "starts with government intervention". Does that mean you are suggesting that if we just deregulate the mortgage industry and leave all these decisions to private enterprise that things will be fine? Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are corporate entities. So is Countrywide. So is Bank of America. I have a very tough time buying the suggestion that corporations and private entities are going to behave with any greater level of virtue than government agencies have.
It is quite honestly laughable to compare Fannie Mae to Countrywide. I say that there is plenty of blame to go around, but anyone who believes that Fannie Mae was ever a private enterprise should have their agenda examined. This is a government organization pretending to be private, under the direction of Congress.
I do believe that any group will behave to their own best interest. How much money went back to particular Senators and Congressmen from Fannie Mae? Why did that happen? Why were there hundreds of millions in bonuses for writing more and more loans?
In fact, why were some lenders actually SUED for not reducing their own restrictions and therefore "discriminating in lending practices". Check out that term from 2002 to 2005. It meant they weren't lenient enough.
Do you believe that government agencies, by virtue of their power to tax, restrict and legislate, do a better job of helping consumers than the private sector?
Loren,
You're looking at the knot holes and missing the forest fire.
You never mentioned;
Bond Rating Agencies
Tranches
Collateralized Debt Obligations
Credit Default Swaps
I suggest you read 3 books and you'll realize it was financial manipulation on mortgage backed securities, (Bonds), the CDOs and CDSs that were the cause. There were only $1.3 trillion in subprime loans. But we've had $29 TRILLION in Federal Reserve facilities extended to banks. HUH?
Read "The Big Short" by Michael Lewis, "Chain of Blame: How Wall Street Caused the Mortgage and Credit Crisis" by Paul Muolo and "It Takes Pillage" by Nomi Prins.
On page 143 of "The Big Short" one of the savvy guys realized "There weren't enough Americans with [lousy] credit taking out loans to satisfy investors' appetite for the end product."
"They (the bond market) weren't satisfied getting lots of unqualified borrowers to borrow money to buy a house the couldn't afford. They were creating them (bonds) out of whole cloth.
"ONE HUNDRED TIMES OVER! That's why the losses in the financial system are so much GREATER than just the subprime loans."
Read that again - if EVERY poor person who got an inflated mortgage defaulted, it would NOT have damaged the US economy. Yes, housing prices would have dropped, but not as far as they have dropped. Losses would take place, but they would be limited.
The 100x leveraging provided by CDOs made it possible to take one bad loan and multiply it across 100 bad bonds.
"The government" did not hold a gun to the head of the mortgage bond dealers and force them to loan money to unqualified borrowers. Read "The Big Short" and it's literally a feeding frenzy of MBS with no moral hazard thanks to CDSs.
Hi Kirk,
Thanks for your comment, but I respectfully disagree. Yes, I have read a number of books that look at the issue from several different angles. And absolutely the bond rating agencies area huge part of the problem and so were many of the investment bankers. There is blame to go around everywhere.
However, the majority of mortgage backed securities were spun by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Between the GSE's and the credit rating agencies, these were supposedly good loans that should not have gone bad (at least no where near the percentages that currently exist). Because these were "secure" investments, tranches were created that never should have been. I think that whole system is wrong, but that's another story
The other issue is that the advisors in Government are primarily from the investment banking industry (and in particular, very few firms). Although that's necessary in order to have someone who knows the business, it also creates some substantial hazards.
Also, from those "young" investment couselors (salespeople) I spoke with on Wall Street - they were making a lot of money but they somehow believed that we were beyond the cyclical nature of real estate and the economy because of the fast pace of the current society (I'm not kidding - sounds crazy now - but I do think they believed that) and that any losses would be made up in rising equity.
Here's the bottom line, though - if a system hadn't been created to generate more than double the first time homebuyer loans in a three year period to buyers who didn't qualify - this collapse never would have happened. Regardless of what bad things "Wall Street" did down the line, had we been writing loans only to those who actually qualified - defaults would have been minimal and it wouldn't have mattered how they sold off the MBS and investments based on them.
And honestly, how different is the creation of investments out of thin air (tranches) than creation of money out of thin air (the Fed)? Again, I think what was done with the MBS's was wrong, but I think the initial blame begins with those who set policy and then point fingers at everyone else.
Lets say a car manufacturer decides to make a car, knowing the tires will blow out at 50 mph, potentially seriously injuring the driver and passangers, and then the salesperson at the end of the line decides the bumper and air bags are not necessary - takes them out and sells them. Ultimately, in the accident, the car's occupants are harmed far more by the lack of the air bag and bumper, but they wouldn't be in the situation if the manufacturer had build the car right in the first place.
Taking the MBS's and making more money on them hurt investors and our entire banking industry, but the houses that were foreclosed on were not a result of investments sold on the secondary market - they were a direct result of bad loans. Wall Street is not responsible for that portion.
I love comments like "There weren't enough Americans with [lousy] credit taking out loans to satisfy investors' appetite for the end product." No, I don't think that most investors realized there were lousy credit loans or they wouldn't have invested in them heavily themselves. That would be stupid. I think that any investment is created in order for the salesperson to make money and some of them are good and some of them are bad. Look back at the junk bond scandals of years ago, or perhaps Bernie Madoff today. These are other examples that have nothing to do with real estate. There will always be greed, and in this case that greed affected our whole financial system - but it did not give us those loans to play with in the first place - the GSE's did, and it did not foreclose on millions of families - the GSE's did.
Regarding - "The government" did not hold a gun to the head of the mortgage bond dealers and force them to loan money to unqualified borrowers." The mortgage bond dealers didn't create loan products, the GSE's did. And by the way, several banks were actually sued because they refused to make stupid loans. A series of suits was initiated by a particular political action committee that claimed that the refusal to make these loans constituted discrimination - and yes, there were other cases where banks were absolutely pressured into making these loans, on the understanding they'd be sold back to Fannie Mae.
Again, I'm not giving anyone a pass. Credit Rating Agencies - Bad. Wall Street Investment Bankers - Bad. But lets stop trying to pass the buck from "good intentions" and blame "the rich" when Congressmen received huge contributions (kickbacks) and Fannie Mae executives received millions in bonuses for bad loans.