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The Continuing War On Our Civil Liberties

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Real Estate Agent with Keller Williams Shore Properties 1005238

BenThe 2011 National Defense Authorization Act passed the Senate with an overwhelming majority yesterday. The bill funds the DoD but there is also a subsection that grants the president broad discretion in determining who will be classified as an ally of a terrorist group, and whether any such person can or should be granted a waiver.

In short, the language constitutes a verbal and legal thicket that could snag citizens who disagree with U.S. policy. The legislation’s flaws appear to us to be the product of confusion and indecision on the part of Congress and the administration, not a deliberate effort to curtail liberties under some new McCarthyism. But the phrasing makes it next to impossible for anyone to be certain. That in itself constitutes a serious risk to freedom.

Lawmakers and two administrations — from decidedly different political perspectives — have now had a full decade to get the details right when it comes to nabbing the nation’s enemies while guarding the liberties of U.S. citizens. This legislation does not achieve that balance. Congress should not approve, and the president should not sign, any legislation that falls short of that goal.

With policies, procedures and laws started under Bush and continued under Obama the Executive Branch is starting to look more and more like the "Royal Branch." Expect a lawsuit from the ACLU.

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Comments (12)

Dennis Swartz
Full Circle Property Management - Columbus, OH
MBA, GRI...experience counts!

Wonder how much goes on that we don't know?

Dec 17, 2011 12:32 AM
Kenneth Cole
Weichert Realtors Appleseed Group, 2043 Richmond Ave. S.I.N.Y. 10314. office phone 718-698-9797, Appleseedhomes.com... - Staten Island, NY
NYS Licensed Real Estate Salesperson

I'm with you 100% on this.  Please keep us posted.  Merry Christmas.

Dec 17, 2011 01:33 AM
Mike Morrison
Will & Will Real Estate Brokers, The Woodlands, Texas - Houston, TX

Karl,

First it's the Patriot Act, now what amounts to a suspension of hebeus corpus at the executive branch's whim. I read somewhere, let me think, oh yeah, something called the BILL OF RIGHTS. Guess that doesn't count any longer.

Great post!!

Dec 17, 2011 03:09 AM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

Dennis, alot!

Ken, every American should be 100% 'all in' with making this provision go away and as Mike says, major portions of The Patriot act that erode our rights as citizens.

Mike, The Bill of Rights is slowly, inexorably, being whittled away while we fight amongst ourselves over labels.

Dec 17, 2011 03:57 AM
Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

There is a lot going on behind the scenes I'm sure.  Sounds like KGB stuff almost.

Dec 17, 2011 03:58 AM
Dale Terry
Yadkinville, NC

Karl, nice post, as you stated, two administrations, but basically the same Senate and House, the same leaders pushing this affront to US citizens.  That is where we need to start.

 

Dec 18, 2011 03:16 AM
Ted Baker
Carmody and Associates LLC - Winter Haven, FL
MidFloridaMediation.com

Karl - I agree with you on this one (just don't tell anybody).  

When the 9/11 attacks occurred, my first reaction was concern for the inevitable response of government to take freedoms away in the name of security. I have commented previously that Mr Bush was never a small government Conservative (although I approve of him in many other areas) and the creation of the TSA and growth of government employees and agencies after 9/11 is a good (or a bad) example and did not make me fell any safer.  

I did not think the Patriot Act was as bad as some but I am still concerned with potential abuse of freedoms under the Act.  I have not read the new National Defense Authorization Act in detail but I agree with you that I do not like what I have read.

I imagine we will be talking further about this act.  

Merry Christmas

 

Dec 18, 2011 04:46 PM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

Merry Christmas Ted, IMHO, The Patriot Act is the lever in which our individual rights and liberties can be slowly eroded.  How we ever got to a point where the president can determine the 'guilt' or 'innocence' of a citizen is, to me, a very dangerous precedent to codify.

Dale, Thank you for the comment.  The problem for me is that once this type of power is given to the executive, it will never be relinquished.

Rob, it sounds dictatorial to me.

Dec 19, 2011 12:30 AM
Mike Saunders
Retired - Athens, GA

I am not as confident as you that it was not a deliberate effort. There were those in the senate that pointed out the egregious potential for certain provisions, and, there were certainly many of us out here who voiced our discontent with this additional assault on individual liberties and injustice. 

Dec 19, 2011 10:01 AM
Satar Naghshineh
Satar - Amiri Property and Financial Services Corp. - Irvine, CA

Great Blog Karl. The Patriot Act was written way before 9/11. 9/11 just gave an excuse for us to limit our civil liberties, such as for Federal agents to invade our privacy and search our property without a warrant. There is even a conspiracy theory that the Oklahoma Bombing was a false flag attack in order to invoke the patriot act and grow government control.

Now this provision allows us to be taken from our homes (or off the streets) by military personal and held indefinitely by our government without trial or hearing.One day, you or I, might disappear because of our political affiliations or what we said on a youtube video or some website.

Just goes to show that both political parties are working together to grow government.

 

Dec 19, 2011 01:19 PM
Israel Barden
RE/MAX Big Bear Village - Big Bear Lake, CA

This is happening because there is a plan in place to change the fabric of our country and the government needs to be able to act quickly to put down the uprisings quickly when it happens. There are over 300 million people in this country and the powers that be are very worried about how they are going to be able to control us all to insure everybody goes along with whatever plan they want to implement. So, slowly but surely, our rights are being taken away to allow for indefinite detentions and the loss of our rights to free speech et cetera. These new laws give our government the power to declare whomever they please to be " Terrorists " and thus they lose their rights to a trial, representation,etc. There will come a time if you don't agree with what is happening, you will disappear.

Jan 12, 2012 05:34 AM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

Israel, we, as a people, were so willing to give up our right privacy, due process etc after 9/11 that I fear once we start down that road, we'll never be able to get them back.

Jan 12, 2012 08:43 AM