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What You MUST Know About Dual Agency if You Are Buying a CA Home

Reblogger Donne Knudsen
Mortgage and Lending with Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA

I really liked this post from JPhilip Faranda, a NY Realtor and although his original title (What You MUST Know About Dual Agency if You Are Selling a New York Home ) references selling a home in NY, I changed the title to buying a home in CA because this is something that CA buyers really need to read.  JP clearly lays out the fiduciary duty of the listing agent who chooses to work with a buyer on one of his listings.  To summarize the post:  LISTING AGENTS WORK FOR THE SELLER!!!  THEY DO NOT WORK FOR THE BUYER!!! 

Their client is the seller, NOT the buyer!  They are hired by the seller to sell their home for the best and highest sales price!  They have absolutely no duty or responsibility to the buyer for anything!  The same attitude applies to listing agents here in CA regardless of the fact that CA allows dual agency.  This is why it is imperative that CA buyers have their own representation - THEY NEED THEIR OWN REALTOR!

CA BUYERSThis is quite possibly the most expensive decision you may ever make!  Do you really want to make it with no one on your side?  Do you really want no professional advice on your rights?  Do you really want to work with someone who may not be acting in your best interest (remember: they are paid to act in the sellers best interest)?

DON'T BE STUPID AND IRRESPONSIBLE!  GET YOUR OWN REALTOR TO ACT IN YOUR BEST INTERESTS!

Original content by J. Philip Faranda License # 49FA1074963

Sellers may get top dollar if their agent does not have a buyer agent to deal withPop quiz:
In the State of New York, if I as the listing agent bring my own buyer to the closing table, does that automatically make me a dual agent?  

If you answered "yes" you'd be wrong. If a New York real estate agent sells their own listing to their own buyer they are NOT automatically a dual agent. As a matter of fact they probably shouldn't be.

Dual agency is one of the most misunderstood and controversial topics in the real estate industry. Part of the problem is that even professionals can't agree because the rules vary greatly across state lines. Earlier today, on a discussion board on improving industry standards and practices, a licensee from another state wrote that if a buyer who had no agent called to buy one of her listings that she would refer them to another agent. In her state, she would be doing the right thing.

I would assert that in Westchester County where I work, if a buyer were hot for one of my listings and I did anything short of scheduling a showing with the intention of producing an offer for my seller, that I would be acting contrary to what my seller client hired me to do. My seller want me to get that buyer to commit. As a matter of fact my seller client should want me to bring my own buyer. And not because of the urban myth that there will be a commission savings. 

The reason my seller should want me to sell their listing myself is, pure and simply, advocacy. The seller hired me to sell the house when they list. They are the client. I am their advocate by statute. If we get a call on a sign or Internet entry on a listing, that guy is a customer. He didn't hire me. I am not his advocate. He just wants to see the house and doesn't have an agent. I owe him fairness and honesty. But I don't work for him. When a buyer deals directly with me as the listing agent, he has no advocate

What are the advantages to the seller? 

  • There is no buyer agent. The buyer has no counterpart to me working for him. 
  • There is no buyer agent. I don't have to call that agent for an update and wait for them to call the buyer and then call me back. I just call the buyer. 
  • There is no buyer agent. There is no one with MLS or broker access to the comparable market activity to educate the buyer. 
  • There is no buyer agent. The buyer is negotiating the largest transaction of his life with me (and my 500 transaction background) with no professional help. 
Don't get taken for a rideAre you getting the picture? This is why we tell buyers they need an agent to represent them, because the listing agent may well eat their lunch! But when a guy walks in cold off the proverbial street to see one of my listings, that act alone does not hire me as his representative. He is a customer. The seller is the client. This makes exclusive buyer agents and consumer advocates cringe, but the consumer I work for is the seller client. If the buyer chooses to not be represented, he does so at his own peril. 
 
Moreover, if a buyer comes in cold off the proverbial street and the listing agent proposes dual agency on his own listing to induce the buyer to work with him, a fantastic case can be made that the listing agent is throwing the seller under the bus. The seller didn't hire me to split my loyalty at the drop of a hat. They hired me to procure the best terms possible.  
 
The only time dual agency comes up (or should come up) is when you have two clients. For example, if that home seller who has been my client for 6 months asks me to represent him in his next purchase and then expresses interest in one of my listings, I have a client on both sides and dual agency arises. But that is another post
 
If you are a seller, you can plausibly want your listing agent to "double end" the sale for the reasons above. And if you as a buyer have a listing agent propose that they can be a dual agent and also represent you the first time you meet, that should tell you a thing or two about how loyal they really are. 
 
Note: In the State of New York, agency relationships must be disclosed to consumers in their first substantive contact with a licensee. 

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Christine Smith
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Donne....Phil wrote a great article here!  Glad to see it re-blogged!

Dec 23, 2011 04:02 AM
Larry Lawfer
YourStories Realty Group - Newton, MA
"I listen for a living." It's all about you.

Thanks for the re-blog, I don't follow Phil and would have missed his interesting analysis.  Many of his points are true here in MA as well.

Dec 23, 2011 09:16 AM
J. Philip Faranda
Howard Hanna Rand Realty - Yorktown Heights, NY
Associate Broker / Office Manager

Donne thanks for the reblog. I think this message applies in any state with similar laws to New York. 

Dec 23, 2011 02:07 PM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Christine - I agree and definitely one that needs to be repeated over and over until buyers finally get it and stop using the listing agent to purchase their home.

Larry - JP clearly explains why buyers really need to get their own representation and this is a message that needs to be passed on whenever possible.

JP - While CA and NY may have some differences, when it comes to buyers purchasing a home, the message is the same - get your own Realtor!

Thx for stopping by folks; I really appreciate it.  Have a good night folks and a wonderful holiday.

Merry Christmas Santa

Dec 23, 2011 02:58 PM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

Good Morning Donne, I am glad you reblogge dthis as i missed it the first time. Phil makes some great points. have a great day and a very Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Dec 24, 2011 01:19 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

This is a fine blog by Phil as it relates to New York. However, here in California, things are a little bit different. The listing agent is in fact liable to the buyer for some things. You can't say that agent doesn't do anything for the buyer because due to the Easton decision, a listing agent does have a clear duty to disclose to the buyer the condition of the property and material issues.

Dec 24, 2011 05:00 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Scott - JP is a great blogger and rarely posts a dud!  LOL

Elizabeth - First and foremost, I am well aware of what the rules & regs are here in CA regarding dual agency.  Furthermore, just because something is unethical or even illegal, doesn't mean it doesn't still happen and you of all people know this to be true.

Additionally, while a phenomenal listing agent like yourself would never do anything illegal or unethical in your representation of your clients, I truly believe you to be in the minority when it comes to listing agents practicing dual agency.  Based on my own professional experience with my own borrowers, most are not serving the best interests of their buyer clients and my borrowers would definitely agree with me on that too!

Lastly, just because something is legal (as in dual agency in CA) doesn't mean it should be allowed or that Realtors should be practicing it.  I actually have a lot more respect and trust for those CA Realtors who refuse to engage in dual agency in spite of the opportunities to do so.  Just my .02.

Thx for stopping by folks; I really appreciate it.  Have a good day and a wonderful holiday too! 

Merry Christmas Santa

Dec 24, 2011 06:33 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

Good Morning Donne.

On this Joyous Day, We Wish you a Very Merry Christmas from our Family to Yours!!!
May your day be filled with Joy amd Happiness!!!

Dec 25, 2011 12:50 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Scott - Thx for the good wishes; I really appreciate it.  Hubby and I had a wonderful day together.  Have a good day Scott and a wonderful week too!  :)

Dec 26, 2011 07:25 AM
The Scott Loper Team Bux-Mont Premier Properties
Keller Williams Real Estate - Montgomeryville - Lansdale, PA

Hi Donne,

But it still amazes me how many buyers think they will do better and have more negotiaion power if the seller doesn't have to pay a buyer's agent.  They don't seem to get that the list agent will usually get double no matter what the buyers "negotiate."

Lisa

Dec 27, 2011 07:34 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Lisa - I know, me too!  Every time I hear one of my borrowers say they are using the listing agent to buy a property, I literally scream!  I immediately proceed to educate my borrowers on why they need their own buyers agent and if that doesn't work, I proceed to tell them all the horror stories of my previous borrowers who made that mistake and eventually regretted their decisions to use the listing agent to purchase a home.

Thx for stopping by Lisa; I appreciate it.  Have a good day and a wonderful week too!

Dec 27, 2011 11:47 AM