It was the mystery of the new circuit breaker.

The inspection involved an REO, and vacant for some time.  The buyer called me to set it up and asked what kinds of things we might find.  I said that there was nothing typical, but often on such properties there is a lot of homeowner installations and "improvements."  I told him that when I said the word "improvements" I was also wagging my fingers.

He said he understood.

Outside wasn't bad, with typical stuff for a house built in 1985.  That's not very old, but also not very new and things happen.  One thing was the Belly Button Roof, which will be a future post!  Another was the brand new heat pump, only one year old and a very good quality!

We went next into the garage.  I wanted to see the panel box.  It was there that I discovered the mystery of the new circuit breaker.

Since there was a new heat pump, I expected (hoped) to find new breakers corresponding to its installation.  Often manufacturers require new breakers to maintain the warranties on their new equipment.  But they were old.  There they are on the left.  The new breaker is on the top right.

No, but I did notice that the only new breaker in the box corresponded to the electric cook top (so said the label).  Having already been in the kitchen I noticed that the cook top was original.  So there would be no reason for a new breaker.

The new breaker was for 50 amps and I noticed a new cable attached to it, snaking its way along the garage floor (!!) to enter the wall toward the basement.  That old, kitchen cook top probably only needs a 30amp breaker.

THIS MIGHT NOT BE GOOD...

I could hardly wait to get into the basement!

'Thar she blows coming into the basement!  And 'thar she blows making an interesting, and dangerous, split and junction in the basement ceiling!  WHAT'S THIS?!

The one cable continues on toward the kitchen area to service that cook top and the other continues to a corner in the basement.

Interestingly, the cable to the corner comes down from the ceiling, curls delightfully and is unprofessionally wired into a SECOND dryer receptacle!

Investigating the basement further, it appears that it used to be rented to a tenant, who was apparently promised a separate laundry and kitchen area.  That promise was fulfilled with MORE just-as-interesting, and just-as-dangerous, installations!

My recommendation:  don't ever think that just because a bank "owns" a property offered for sale that it has been investigated and would be safe.  I was right about the "improvements" here before even seeing them!  Fortunately those things installed by the previous owner will be easy to eliminate, but they sure made for a fun inspection!

But get a home inspection!  You might just find that the mysteries become less mysterious!

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia

www.jaymarinspect.com


 
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JAN
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2012
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The buyer figured on calling an electrician to see what all he would recommend here Michael.  But so much of what was done is visible and easy to get to.

8:39am • #26
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Jay - Of course if they had sufficiently wrapped the connection in duct tape, would that have been okay?

8:52am • #27
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You find such interesting things during your inspections!  Thanks so much for continuing to share - I do learn quite a bit from your posts.

10:19am • #28
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Jay  Arthur and I jusr stopped by to wish you a helthy, happy and prosperous 2012

10:29am • #29
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Jay will show you the way.....No problem can hide, no defect can thrive...Jay remains on point

11:03am • #30
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What's the problem? The extra special green tape must be better then the standard black tape. Boy that is some pretty bad DIY wiring.

11:55am • #32
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Jay, holy-fire-hazard-Batman! Luckily the walls were open so you could find this! Home inspectors see some of the strangest things!

12:05pm • #33
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Jay, with both appliances running they are likely going to need those connections to be "air cooled."  :)

12:13pm • #34
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They didn't need duct tape John.  They were using that new "green" multi-electrical-purpose tape.

Kat - hard to tell what things mean when they are out of place (like a new breaker for an old appliance) until you have a look around!

Thanks Karen.  It's about time we all got together again!

Richie - I hope I got it all!  There was so much there, we were worried about what is hidden.

12:19pm • #35
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Robert - at least they got the reds and blacks together!

Peg - had there been drywall there this very dangerous hazard would never have been detected!

Good thing they were Charlie.  And what's better than air cooled - my motorcycle is!

12:21pm • #36
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Jay, my father was a do-it-yourselfer... and I grew up seeing him do many improvements... but he was an engineer, and would always read up and/or ask for advice from someone knowledgeable before he started... unfortunately not all home handymen are as conscientious.

4:54pm • #37
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Bruce - I didn't see you slip in up there!  Yep, just laying there, finally entering the basement through a hole in the wall!

Chris - that is the bottom line and conscientiousness is essential.  And being an engineer means he was a logical thinker!

6:27pm • #38
JAN
05
2012
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Jay, I was thinking the same thing Charlie was, basement heat-ya-lator, why waste all that good ol resistive heat ; )

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I am always amazed that some homeowners feel they can correctly do electrical.  Scary!  Selling many homes built in the 1940's I have seen inspection reports with wild stuff going on!

1:52am • #40
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And why not Don.  Resistance heat is 100% efficient!

Jo - always older properties have a mish mash of everything, and many homeowners over the years with different ideas.

5:56am • #41
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What's the problem? They put in a bigger breaker ;) Open splices, doubling up appliances, they're lucky the place never burned down. 

7:46am • #42
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Yesterday I couldn't spell electrician. Today I bought me a book and now I'm all set to go. Bring on the wires. Great find. 

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Jim - that bigger breaker ought to handle it!  I wonder why they didn't just put in a 100 and been done with it!

Scott - what would you have thought reading the panel and seeing "cooktop," and noticed a new breaker for 50amps?  Kind of brought up the radar!

Can you get me one of those books too?  Elektrishun yewdewsaee?

9:13pm • #44
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Is not it scary, that somebody can call themselves an electrician after all :)

Tatyana.

9:52pm • #45
JAN
06
2012
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Tatyana - this guy was NO electrician, for sure!  And as Jim says above, this was truly a fire hazard.

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