jumbo shrimpIs sounds like it at first, but think about it for a second - not necessarily.  When "full-service" agents talk about "discounters" they seem to think they might not be talking about some of their own.  The DOJ suit against the NAR makes me think again about this.  Michael Parker's post yesterday touches on it as well (more in the headline than the rambling text, though he makes great points anyway in assembling quotes from others). 

Discounter means one that offers services (of some sort, we'll get to that) for a lower price than the norm.  While it has become synonymous with the thought that the services being offered are less than that of the services the "full price" providers, that isn't implied in the name itself.  Dollar General might be a discounter that offers lower end products, but Wal-Mart, also very much a discounter (the largest in the world) offers a range of quality that is quite high, often higher than most of the non-discounters (and other discounters) it seems to be putting out of business.  After all, I can't say that getting apples at the Wal-Mart Neighborhood Grocery Store for less than Ralph's or Winn-Dixie or Dominicks means that I get only bruised and dried up apples at Wal-Mart.  They are the same apples, they just cost less.

Enter the internet to the world of real estate home brokerage (I focus on homes because internet based models have not succeeded well in the giant corporate leasing world, though they have for smaller commercial space, commercial space in smaller markets, and commercial space for sale via LoopNet).  Most REALTORS think of the discounters as Zillow, Redfin, BuySide, etc.  By the way (before David from Zillow jumps in) if you think these are all the same, or even close, you'd better go onto their sites and compare what they really do.  There are discounters that provide little or no services, and those that provide truly full service, they just charge less or offer rebates.sanitary sewer

The internet is a wonderful, powerful tool.  For anyone in almost every business in the world, it can be an enabler, and in many ways a cost-reducer.  It has made more information available, cheaper, faster and better distributed than ever before.  The realm of the REALTOR in part used to be the power of information that the market didn't know about, with agents walking around lugging large books of printouts for every listing in the area.  This is long gone.  Now the traditional agents want to keep getting paid the same general commissions they have been paid for years, while being able to better (and cheaper) market their listings (if a listing agent) and better (and again cheaper) find available homes to show (if a buyer's agent).  If the cost of operating and performing ones job goes down, it is only a matter of time before the market forces step in and find people willing to make the same amount as before by passing on that operating cost savings to customers.  Oftentimes I believe the people that do this are actually using this as an opportunity to make more money than they could before, because they weren't the top agents in the old model, but they see the chance to move in, offer services for less, and capture market share they couldn't get before.  This does not, though, mean that discounters are all the lower-end, would-be-washed-out/couldn't-make-it-before agents.  In fact some of them are the best agents around, those that saw the opportunity to make even better margins, and capture even greater market share, so they are the number one agents by an even bigger margin.  Those are the true geniuses.oxymoron

If you are a "traditional" agent and you think discount pricing must mean discount service, you'd better rethink that and look around.  I believe you get what you pay for and I've never discounted my prices for that reason.  I think it's a slippery slope that once you're on, you can't stop the sliding.  Full service and discount are not mutually exclusive, though, by any means.  If you are a full-price provider, to counter full-service discounters, you have to provide more-than-full-service if you want to justify more-than-discount pricing or better full service.  Don't forget Wal-Mart.  They provide just as much (or more) than the stores they replaced, and they do it for cheaper.  There will always be a place, though, for the higher end (priced) boutiques.  That doesn't mean that the boutiques will always have as big a market share, or a share of the same market.

 

36 Comments on Is Full-Service Discounter an Oxymoron?

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2006
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The cost of marketing a home hasn't gone donw, it has actually gone up. Sellers still want the traditional print advertising even though it isn't effective. We all know traditional advertising isn't a good us of advertising dollars but we do it anyway because that is what the customer wants. Now in addition to doing print advertising we need to advertise heavily on the internet, which can be rather costly.

www.southeastmassre.com

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There is a place for that model, but at what cost to the seller?   I wrote that there is a huge cost to agents at discounters if they don't own the company earlier this month.  The agent that discounts listings has to do a larger volume, and the percentage of unsold properties goes up.   Do you really want to take a chance that your property might not be shown because of the business model or that they (the discounter) takes all listings regardless of saleability knowing full well that they have an iron clad contract you cannot get out of and then ride the listing out or come to you for several price adjustments.  Yes you may get advertising, but is it the right placement... Newsprint and magazines are not necessarily the most effective way of seeing your property advertised...

1:44pm • #2
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Firstly, I should not that my comment about Michael Parker's article was not a knock, as I told him in an email.

Don, I disagree with you.  You are talking about the cost of advertising.  This is very different from the cost of marketing and also only one small piece of the cost of operating a business.  On a separate point, but also to you comment, 82% of all home buyers now search for homes on the internet before buying, yet the real estate business spends only 6% of its advertising moneys towards online advertising, when print media for this purpose (as Colleen points out) is all but dead and ineffective by comparison.

Colleen, this gets to your point too.  Discounters don't have to necessarily take more listings to make the same amount of money.  If the cost of operating a business goes down by 20%, then the revenue can go down by the same amount and the business still makes the same profit.  Our headquarters office has about 120 agents.  The old model said that needed dozens of support people.  There are three.  Yes, three.  AND, every agent there is making more than before, while the company is also making plenty of money.  HOW?  The agents are getting bigger percentage splits on their deals and the company has very low overhead vs. it's high revenues.  It's win-win.  That said, we are not a discounter, but if someone copied this model and did so by accepting less per deal in fees (even 1% point less) they might have even more business coming in the door, more, profitable agents (don't forget how many unprofitable agents the traditional model is bogged down with in most offices) and everyone would still be making plenty of money.

Anyone that doesn't believe it's possible to change the traditional business model and run a dramatically more effecient (i.e. low cost of doing business) operation today than 10 years ago is a dinosaur, soon to extinct become (pardon the cliche). 

HOWEVER, unlike Redfin, I don't think real estate agents can be replaced by clerks (a business model theme of Redfin's that Michael Parker going to begin with). 

3:17pm • #3
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Gabriel, IMO if commissions went down drastically then the "discounters" would have a difficult time staying in business. Why? Because their profit is made by selling our full commissioned listings. A Real Estate company that is taking listings at a discount is trying to accumulate inventory to attract buyers so they can sell listings that are offering full commissions. They are not making any money on the listings side. The listings are the bait the Buyers are the catch. They are depending on "full service' Realtors to offer good co-brokes. If we don't, their biz model fails.

Buyer rebate companies are also dependent upon our co-brokes. So really if all companies worked under a discount model it would not work.

Research any RE company that is taking listings for a MLS fee and you will find that almost all of their Agents are working with Buyers. If you want to work with Buyers there is no better way to do it than offer to place homes in the MLS for a fee. Inventory attracts buyers. It really is a simple plan.

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What is a discounter anyway?? 

I have never found two agents that promoted listings in the same manner with the same schedule of advertising, opens, brochures, etc. 

My company has different prices for different services.  None are discounted because we're not competing with any other companies. 

Long and Foster tried to establish a company wide minimum listing fee of 7% about 3 years ago.  Did that make all of the other brokerages in the area that charge 6% discounters?  Did they sell that 7% listing by calling all other companies discounters??  No idea, but fact is, they didn't get many listings so they went back to the minumim 6%.  I suspect that they were less last year.  I know they offer 2.5% co-op on a lot of their listings.  What they did was increase the administrative fee, which benefits the broker and not the agent. 

Just because a company charges less than the average in an area doesn't make them a "discounter".  They may offer a reduction of services which simply makes the cheaper.

Lenn

 

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Being new in the business, I may not be as qualified to speak on this as the rest, but it seems to me that the majority of discounters are real estate agents. I have met very few that weren't will to cut a commission to get a listing that they "think" they might not otherwise get.

If you add all of that up, I suspect it would dwarf the figure aggregated by the discounters. 

Dinosaurs are getting a bad rep from another species with more gray matter and excuses 

4:33pm • #6
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BB, that is a very smart set of comments and very insightful.  I see buyer rebaters as "full service discounters" more than any other model.  They (in theory) offer the same full service package (for buyers of course, not sellers) but just accept a smaller fee % of the co-op payment.  If the fee was overall reduced on the sell side, their rebate would have to go away to make money, absolutely, but then the seller and buyer might still both have "full service discount" service, with an overall lower transaction cost.  That is in theory what the discounters as a whole are trying to sell the public on, but VERY FEW of them are really doing anything that could possibly lead towards such a scenario/result in the market overall.

Lenn, my comment to Bryant carries over to your last line as well.  I do believe there are legitimately full service firms (or at least individual agents) that work on a "discounted" model/fee structure.  I just don't feel that there are very many of them and that in general discount = less (or no) service. 

Now here's one to ponder, that I might go back and add to my NAR post of two days ago.  If it is illegal for brokers and agents to talk in the context of "market" or "standard" commissions, how can the DOJ then call anyone a "discounter" because to be a discounter means a discount from something...like a "market standard" commission!

4:37pm • #7
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Bryant is right that the less-than-full-service agents expect a full sticker commission on buyer sides!  That's why I refer to them as less-than-full-service brokers instead of discounters.  Get to the heart of the problem, and the problem is NOT the amount of money involved. It's the lack of service.  I also call them limited-representation companies.
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Funny! We bill ourselves as a "Full Service Discount broker". Guess what?! The buyers agents always are receiving a 3% commission. Do they mind? No!

I believe alot of what the perception you claim is essentially all myth! How? Well as the year comes to an end we averaged 10-15 new listings per month and bythe same token executed 8-13 contracts per month as well.This wasn`t a great market as you`re aware. Simply put "In a Bubble of a market filled with panic" we had a  better than average year.

I`ve also have been on both sides of the track and have sat where many of you are sitting today.

The bottom line is we`re in a service industry and those smart enough to adjust to market changes and conditions will survive no matter what!

 

Saving a person money is a tremendous assest to many buyers and sellers, and the business model will grow,regardless if a small number of professionals refuse to believe it!

 

How hard is to understand that the Real Estate market has changed from 2-3 years ago, and will change again and again.

  

 

The simple fact, I guess maybe it`s all regional is that a "Smart Realtor" will always show a property that their client seems interested in. Again what difference does it make that we the "Full Service Discount Broker" receives less than you? Why would anyone be that insane not to show a property when you`re compensated, and in some cases higher than what you`re proclaiming?  

 

It`s hard to believe that you can justify telling people like me, that " I don`t offer Full Service to our sellers or buyers." I will gladly allow anyone on this forum to speak to our clients and see for yourselves how they`ll respond.In fact we probably offer more than some of you because of the staff of people that we have to satisfy the clients.    

A seller or buyer can always reach someone in our office who can answer a question on their sale or listing. The needs of the clients always come first!  

We provide a service that many of you refuse to do!  That`s really the  simple truth and reality of how Discount Brokers seem to gain acceptance.   As professionals you`re opinion of this niche market  is more in the minds of the Realtors than that of the clients.

I`m stunned that some of you actually have failed to grasp this concept.

6:43pm • #9
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Full Service to me has nothing to do with commissions.  I work for a full service company because of the support and resources that we have as well as the ABA's.  Essentially it's a one stop shop for the client.

Discount brokers I view as Agents that offer their services for less.

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Hey Scott, I agree that how much someone chooses to charge really has nothing to do with the amount of service that is provided. Believe me I work with many "full commission" companies that are providing very limited service if any. But I do stand on my comment that the money has to be made some where and that's off the selling side commission. If these were drastically reduced it would be very hard, if impossible for a company to be able to take reduced commissions on the listing side. It's simple economics BUT it is not related to level of service.    
9:42pm • #11
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2006
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There are three companies here in Hawaii who advertises heavily with the phrase "Full Service for Less Money".  They never do open houses, they are a pain to get a showing from and God help you if you are in escrow with them; they do next to nothing.  I guess full service has many definitions.

I have no problem with anyone charging whatever they decide, but don't call no service or little service, full service

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Gabriel,

Thanks for the post. What a can of worms, there will be no end to the possible comments. And here goes my $.02 . Here in the northeast, we have one discount brokerage firm that is a household name. For 3% commission paid by the seller, they get: a listing in the MLS and a corrugated sign on the lawn, as well as two at the street's intersection. That is it, nothing more and nothing less. I might add that they tout themselves as full service and co-broke at 1% to the selling office. This is our discount model, compared to what we provide. For 7% commission paid by the seller we give:MLS listing, lawn signage, neighborhood mailing, sphere of influence mailing ,email blast all agents selling in the area, property brochures, brochure boxes at curbside, posting on a total of 12 websites, ads in four trade journals, office caravan for new listings, broker open house, public open house (in this market every property gets at least one a month), open house notices in two local papers and weekly updates on market conditions. We co-broke at 4% to the selling office.

Their model has run into some problems sustaining itself. Consequently, their agents who have a base salary of roughly $25,000 are no longer simply interested in just listing the property, the company now has them selling our listings and earning 4%. It should be noted that this discounter is more interested in capturing the mortgage of the potential buyer and clearly is not interested in the marketing of the property. I think it is important to differentiate, as are model has a singular focus, that of getting the property sold. There are no ulterior motives, like using the listing to entice the prospective buyer to obtain a loan.

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Just to stir the pot a little - where does Catalist fit in this mix - they charge 3% total and split it evenly between list and sell sides.
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In toady's world doing an Open House doesn`t mean you`re a Discount Brokerage or Full Service does it?!

In our area there can be 10-14 Open Houses in a 2 mile radius. What are the odds of locating a qualified buyer?

 

Our business model as a "Full Service Discount Brokerage" revolves around the fact that we`ll "List your home on the MLS for a Flat Fee of $599.00". We do all the work that a traditional brokerage would do. The incentive is to market the property in order to locate the buyer thereby allowing us the opportunity to collect a 3% commission.  

 

Companies like Redfn or Zip Realty are on the other side of the spectrum. Rebating a buyer in many cases 50% of the commission.

On that matter, i don`t agree with that model, agents especially Buyers agents are allowed to earn a commission for locating a home, assisting with the closing etc.

I personally have had that happen to myself when showing a home to a prospective buyer,only to have them tell me that they`ll have their agent contact us to write the offer.  

 

I make sure they understand that we`re the procuring agent and that our seller will not pay a commission to an agent who hasn`t shown the home.

 

I actually have that on our listing contracts. I don`t believe in the "Free Ride", but I do understand that many Buyers will attempt to "Get Something for Nothing"...  

Again, agents are entitled to earn a living as it should be, the original gist of the topic involved "Buyers Agents not viewing property from Discount Companies", to me that`s not an agent, that`s a person who is liable for a lawsuit.  

8:45am • #15
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I think you have to pick the business model that best suits your values and go with it. The dicount seeking client will not list with you, psst you don't want them. Let them go to the discounter. They may be back, and they'll be ready to listen.

A firend once told me, "You want to be their first kiss, second wife and third Realtor." There ae few truer words.

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Scott,

I would not purport that an open house qualifies any brokerage for the "Full Service" classification. Now that you mention it, it is one of the things absent from most discount broker's menu of services.

As I outlined earlier, I make every effort to avail myself of every opportunity to MARKET the client's property. That's why they hired me. I market homes on the Internet and yet I still get sales as a result of the trade publications in supermarkets and the like. That does not mean that I would eliminate the use of the Internet. A restricted marketing plan does not benefit my client and if it doesn't benefit the client, it doesn't benefit me! My core model has successfully worked for me, for 23 years. It's a good thing!

12:08pm • #17
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Gabriel:  Not a realtor myself but I think you have a very nice blog here.  I know some might disagree but everyone runs their own book of business.  I have said this before and I will say it again: Our branch manager says that we are all CEO's and PRESIDENTS of our own business, mortgage professionals or realtors, we are commission only and we work hard for our money/clients.  Everyone will have a different view on how to run their business.  Active Rain is great because we get to share our own ideas and opinions.  I love the graphics you used in this blog as well.  I can't believe the NY JETS are destroying the Mineesota Vikings!  Sorry, I am RAINING and watching football at the same time.  Happy Holidays!

Your Mortgage Man,

Nima

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William,

100% correct. The fact that there are Realtors who won`t show a listing based on the fact that it belongs to a Discount Brokerage was really what I was keying on. The objective of listing with companies that discount is to make sure that the B/A are compensated.

 

Realtors,who feel "Above it all" in todays market are slowly waking up from a long sleep induced coma...

 

Nima,

Chad is amazing today. Go Jets...

1:50pm • #19
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Ade HouseDiscount means discounting something known. That something, if known, is measurable. The very same model and make of a Plasma TV for less, for example. We are not selling a "known, same product" ever and the product we are selling is offered (listed) at one price and often sold at another price which can be higher or lower. If paid on a commission basis an agent's commission is linked to the selling price. The discount has nothing to do with the object being sold. The discount is a discount on the cost of service being provided. There is no standard commission rate for anything in this business - at least not to my knowledge!  If I offer a discount then, as Lenn pointed out in her first sentence above, it must be a discount of something equal. Oh yes, I'll show ANY property that meets my buying client's specifications regardless of who is listing it and what the SOC is.
9:54pm • #20
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18
2006

I'd say "who cares" about whether a company or an agent is a full service or discount service provider ... what matters is the needs of the client (seller, buyer, investor, etc.) ... why should sellers pay for services they don't need or they don't wont? ... they are paying for it, so why not let them decide what services they will get?

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Three words to live by "service,service and more service"....
6:40am • #22
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Scott & Lauren - your points are exactly what this post is about, because some people are doing what you are, not just what Redfin is.  Lauren's point is just what I said to open the post, discounting and full-service are two separate comments, but that does not make them inseparable.  I think it's interesting that it's Scott, the self-proclaimed discounter, who says "service, service and more service" in his latest comment, NOT a non-discounter. 

That said, for all I agree in concept that full service discounter is not an oxymoron, in reality I think that in the midst of the hype of the discounter proliferation, the home buying and selling world is quickly realizing that most discounters discount the service(s) offered, not just the price.  The two do most often go hand in hand.  The problem is that in order to lure the next round of consumers to the discounted service model, the service discounters are calling themselves "full service discounters" and legally, since there isn't a set "standard" that can be enforced from which to judge their "full service" claim, they are giving a bad name to the few out there like Scott and Lauren that DO provide the same full service model we generally think of, for a 'discounted" fee. 

Companies that sell low end stuff routinely advertise it as high quality (do you remember the last commercial you saw that said their product wasn't as good, but at least it only cost half as much?).  The headline catch of the discounter is the price discount.  This headline, however, could then in short time become the scarlet letter of the real estate agency world, thanks to Redfin and the rest of the low service discounters, who, as I know Bryant thinks deep in his heart, are an abomination to the business.

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It has been my experience that a discount broker at least in this area just lists for less, gives the seller an opportunity to particiapte more or less and when required to deliver service... they do well beyond the average Agent in this market.  Although I am a tradition Realtor, I have intergrated many of their marketing tools into my pack and found that there is no such thing as them against me no more so than it is me against another traditional Realtor.  Good business practices,and people skills are what it boils down to for most of the sonsuming public.
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Gabriel,

 

 

The term Full Service Discount Brokers actually comes from Schwab and E-Trade. That`s where the phrase was actually coined. That being stated. I`m positive you`re aware that Schwab is a full service discounter that turned Wall Street around. In the old days companies like Lehman Bros, Merrill Lynch ect. ruled the world and many people weren`t able to purchase stocks.. It was only a select few that could afford too.

 

Again, there is nothing wrong with what we`re doing.  

I`m more concerned with you`re overt attitude as you seem to think by this quote: "Companies that sell low end stuff routinely advertise it as high quality (do you remember the last commercial you saw that said their product wasn't as good, but at least it only cost half as much?).  The headline catch of the discounter is the price discount."   that somehow we`re cheating people.

Guess what? Self proclaimed or not, we do a tremendous job in dealing with Buyers and Sellers and trust me the clients are not complaining.

In a slow market we`re very busy.I wouldn`t  rule out that a Shake-up in our industry isn`t happening, it is and many are still in denial.  

 

Let companies like redfn to their best to penetrate the market, allow the zillows to perform, they are either the leaders or they`ll become yesterdays news... One thing is certain, it does make for a very competitive market place ,which is why this is a great business...   

12:30pm • #25
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Since words do actually mean something and carry weight in our world, shouldn't we be changing the vernacular applied to "discount" brokers?  Last I checked, it was illegal for brokers to price fix.  The term "discount" in regards to real estate services, regardless of the level of service provided, implies that there is a fixed rate that brokers charge.

Maybe we should call them Flat Fee or A la Carte brokers.  Just like agents should never call an unrepresented seller a FSBO.  Why would you knowingly market/advertise for someone else?

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Scott, it seems to me you don't get the point of several of my latest posts, which is that discounting is not wrong, it's not bad, it's here to stay and that those who think the "traditional" model isn't going to feel the pressure are fools.  You're preaching to the choir.  My point in the comment you took out of context was that you, as a full service discounter, are being lumped in with all the unsavory types that want to call themselves the same thing you do, but don't provide what you do.  Since you and those like you don't have hundreds of millions in funding to plaster themselves all over the known world, generate internet or other client traffic, and then after they do that try to come up with a sustainable service and business model, you're getting mud on you being lumped in with them. 

Sure, there were other discount brokerages that sprung up, not just Chuck Schwab (and that was long before eTrade).  If you don't know the story, though, Charles Schwab sold his company at one point (I think to Merrill Lynch?) and several years later bought it back for pennies on the dollar because Merrill couldn't make it work.  Most of these guys don't have a clue how to make it work either.  The guys that do, like you, again, just need to be aware that you're getting lumped in with a crowd you don't want to be in with.  Just be careful they don't ruin it for all of you, because the full service moniker is being thrown around by a lot of discounters, and very VERY few of them have any idea what that is even supposed to mean.

I, by the way, don't call myself a REALTOR except to the lesser extent that I deal with homes (not our company's primary business line).  I don't call myself a broker, either, which is what everyone calls themselves in the corporate world (whether they are a salesperson or a broker).  I call myself a real estate consultant and to some I note that I am a licensed broker, but I don't, again, call myself a broker (there's a big difference).  I have for my whole career.  Broker in my world has the same pejorative connotation that discount broker is getting in yours, so I use a different term that doesn't put me in the bad crowd.

Todd - you make my point in part to Scott (thank you) - the terminology is the problem, not his business model. 

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Gabriel,

Well stated.

I hope that you understand you and the others posting here are expressing our opinions. I enjoy this type of conversation, in fact this is truly a great topic of debate.  

Todd and the rest of the Professionals who have posted  all have valid points, issues and terminology that work for each of them. It`s a true pleasure discussing this with you and look forward to more interesting topics to debate. 

 

Happy Holidays to you and yours..

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My best holiday wishes to you, too, Scott, and everyone else that reads this.
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2006
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OH MY, The fear in the air is soooo thick I can smell it.  Why else would so many people get soooo fired up and line up in protest.  Don't be afraid, if your skill and service are worth what you charge you will still be successful.

Capitalism at its best...The market sets the demand for the cost of goods and services...only when like minded industry providers get together and artificially hold the price of services high, can they slow but never stop the process of supply and demand.

You are all swimming against the tide.  It is not the name by which you call it, for would a rose by any other name still smell as sweet?

The current pricing model of a (flinching as I say this) standard 6% commission on listings does nothing but allows people who are not good at their job to hang on and stay in business...

A competitive pricing model...whether you call it discount brokers or real estate Sherpas, whatever you want to call it, will do nothing but create competition....Everyone who has no idea what they are doing will be driven out of the market, and the true experts can charge whatever they want....

A bunch of Realtors standing around attacking somebodies business models smells of nothing more than sour grapes and fear.  If the model is flawed it will fail...end of story...but if they really do provide equal service for less...then competition ensues, everyone benefits except those who cling to the old ways...and I guess that in itself would be proof of a price fixing conspiracy after all.

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I agree emphatically Joshua - that is the truth, and frankly it's good for the market as a whole.
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2006
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I am not a fan of Walmart, and yes, differently structured brokerages (how's that for politically correct!) are my competitors. But so what? Last I looked, this was a Capitalist Society and who am I to say whose services are the best for each seller? 
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Yes, Carole, the market will decide what "discount" (er, differently structured) brokerages will be able to offer and for what price, just as it will decide what "traditional" brokerages must provide and at what price consumers find the value proposition appropriate.  There is certainly not a one-style-fits-all rule to this and there are merits to most approaches.  Only time will tell whether there are sizeable enough markets for numerous different services to maintain viable marketshare alongside each other.

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2007
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Same service, same price? Is that competition? Offer MORE, Do MORE, Sell MORE. Set yourself apart, and "discounters" won't be a problem.

3:21pm • #34
JUL
08
2007
101,146 Points Outside Blog

Our MlS systems lets us choose what type of agency gets paid. I only offer co-ops to transaction and Buyers agents. No sub-agent or non-rep get paid from us.

If they ask the listing agent to show the home they don't get paid.

9:37am • #35
JUL
28
2007
13 Featured Posts

Armando, thanks for the comment, even if it's a cut and paste from your comment on another blog of mine...

7:35pm • #36

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Gabriel Silverstein, SIOR

Manhattan, NY

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Angelic Real Estate

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This blog is where I explore, comment on and even rant about industry issues for commercial and corporate real estate professionals and occasionally throw out thoughts on the residential side of the world as well (why, since we don't deal with residential? I guess because nobody can stop us from doing so and as this latest subprime-primed recession proves, housing matters even if you're not a house jockey).


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