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Yuck it Up, Foreclosure Lawyers. Yuck it Up.

By
Managing Real Estate Broker with Howard Hanna Rand Realty License # 49FA1074963

Waiting outside the court roomNew York State has something known as settlement conferences for homeowners facing foreclosure. It is a good law. Distressed borrowers can go to the courthouse and meet with lawyers of their lender face to face in front of a judge or court appointed referee. The referee is there to make sure that the bank is treating the borrower fairly, and if the borrower is trying to modify their loan, they are given every chance to do so with the conference process in place to ensure fair treatment. 

I have accompanied quite a few clients to these hearings. I have seen referees discuss with bank lawyers lost faxes, red tape, and much of the other nonsensical stuff that banks often subject their borrowers to, and the referee/judge doesn't have much room for that sort of thing. It is the closest thing to compassion by statute I have ever seen for borrowers facing foreclosure. 

Now, while this sounds well and good, the borrowers who get these letters calling them to schedule a conference are beyond stressed. They are frightened. Nothing I can say makes them comfortable about going to court in front of a judge and facing the lawyer who represents the bank in the foreclosure proceeding. The only role I can play when I go with my clients is that of support. It makes a difference. 

About 2 weeks ago, I went with another client to one of these conferences. It was the same as you'd expect- a stressed out borrower with his home listed with me as a short sale with a manila folder filled with his records. He couldn't afford a lawyer. We waited in the hall together outside the court room, which acted as a waiting room of sorts for the foreclosure lawyers while the judge held the conferences in her chamber. 

You have to appreciate the place filled with other borrowers behind on their mortgages waiting for their sessions. They show up with thick folders, they speak in hushed tones, and the scent of fear is heavy in the air. It's like a wake or a hospital emergency room waiting area. Even when the borrower can afford their own attorney, it is somber. One husband and wife showed up with their toddler daughter, wide eyed and adorable. I can imagine the mental gymnastics they were going through to be strong for her. 

I debated even posting about this, and while it is not the Zapruder film or conclusive proof of the Yeti, it is significant because it speaks to the times we live in.

We were about 10 feet from the door, and our session was for 10am. We didn't get in front of the judge until 11:30, so we had 90 minutes together in the hall while we heard the bank attorneys in the next room talk. 

And these guys were having a good old time. A laugh a minute. It was just a good old boy, back slapping, bull session among colleagues who were either oblivious to the suffering of the people 10 feet away, or they just didn't care. Now since they could see us and walked past us every time they went to get a drink or go to the men's room, and since they knew why we were there, I have to conclude that they just didn't care. Not a lick.

My client just shook his head. It dawned on me that I had my mobile phone, so, for science, I ran the camera for 60 seconds to see if I could capture our friends in a few carefree laughs. They didn't disappoint. I have never seen this kind of behavior outside a settlement conference in any other courthouse. It's almost like they were rubbing it in; Hey pal, we're all lawyers in suits with this steady gig representing the bank, and you're not. So sit there and marinate in your stress and fear- we'll be 10 feet away, yucking it up in our little carefree club, and revel in our joy of not being you. It went on all morning. 

Like I said: I have been to conferences in counties all over the Hudson Valley, and I won't name which courthouse this one was. But none of the other ones was remotely like this. I might add that the woman in the foreground closest to the door was the lawyer for my client's bank. She couldn't have been a nicer lady, and her discomfort with the contrast between the rooms was obvious to me over the 90 odd minutes. But her colleagues? When they get theirs I won't shed a tear. So yuck it up and rub my guy's nose in it boys. Your time will come. Karma's a bitch

Go to about 0:30.

Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

J. Philip - It is good to hear that somewhere in these United States, there is a judicial venue, which can assist homeowners during these trying times.  I couldn't help but wish that someone like Chris Hanson, or 60 Minutes could get wind of this story. 

Years ago, my mother's will was contested by her step-children.  It drug on in the courts for 2 years.  At one hearing, the attorney for the opposing side, got up and tore into my mother's motives for changing her will.  And then tore into me because I lived closest to her.  Never mind, that her step-children hadn't seen or talked to mom in the 9 years prior to her death.  When the court hearing was over, the attorney walks over to my my mother's estate attorney, and as "friendly as can be," asks where a good place to do lunch is.  He thought we should all do lunch.  Sorry folks, my personality can't turn on and off like that.

I agree with your comment about karma. . .What goes around, comes around!

Jan 31, 2012 12:29 PM
Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally

JP, what goes around comes around, and if there is justice some of the people who were sitting in the next room will get theirs with a big audience as well.

Jan 31, 2012 01:03 PM
Chris Lewis
Gracious Living Realty - Front Royal, VA
I want to SELL your home, not LIST it!

It's as bad as the antics of the Stephen Baum lawyers that led to their firm closing down.

Jan 31, 2012 01:39 PM
Eileen Hsu
Douglas Elliman Real Estate - Manhattan, NY
LICENSED REAL ESTATE SALESPERSON

I am not surprised. Sometimes people do not know how to act. It is a shame for sure...

Jan 31, 2012 01:53 PM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

J. Philip - I'm afraid this is too often the case with people who are in a comfortable situation not considering others who aren't.

Jan 31, 2012 02:39 PM
Laurie Clark CRB Angel Realty LLC Your Monument Realtor 719-502-6572
CRB-CCSS-ASD-HBS-RSD-Denver Short Sale Agents - Monument, CO
Angel Realty, LLC

Congrats on the feature! Wow, what a group. Thank you for posting this. I am glad to hear that judges are getting involved in the foreclosure/modification process and stopping this despicable behavior. Have a great week.

Jan 31, 2012 03:01 PM
Sandy Acevedo
951-290-8588 - Chino Hills, CA
RE/MAX Masters, Inland Empire Homes for Sale

You are right that this behavior should not have been heard. The door should have been closed. I'm sure no one expects this place to have a doom and gloom aspect to it everyday, but it should not have been overheard by sensitive people.

Jan 31, 2012 05:23 PM
Phil Leng
Retired - Kirkland, WA
Phil Leng - Retired

Hi J Philip,

It is a great idea to have a conference such as the one you describe.

I understand your sensitivity to the clients you are with.

Phil

Jan 31, 2012 08:26 PM
Erika Madsen
eXp Realty - Mesa, AZ
eXp Realty Broker ~ CE Instructor ~ elm Biz De

EVERY state could use this mediation.... BUT then we'll have  a million shmucks running around Yucking it up....

UGH - appaling is right... and maybe we all should band together and call 60 minutes!!

Jan 31, 2012 10:34 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

It isn't just the lawyers with no empathy...there are plenty of realtors who are clueless as well..."they should have saved for a rainy day..." yadda yadda...being unemployed, divorced, sick etc. really doesn't sink in ...Karma...bring it on !

Jan 31, 2012 10:58 PM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

Sounds about right. For the attroneys it really is just another day at work. They are foreclosure attorneys. Compassion is not in their job description. It sucks nonetheless

Jan 31, 2012 11:44 PM
Richard Weisser
Richard Weisser Realty - Newnan, GA
Richard Weisser Retired Real Estate Professional

Phil...

It's the same as forensic medical examiners ... as serious as the work is, if you don't let go every once in a while you'll go insane.

I'd give them a pass on this. It's not an easy job.

Feb 01, 2012 12:26 AM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Phil, I think to them it is just another day at the office. The conference settlement sounds like a good place to make sure the consumer is getting a fair shot.

Feb 01, 2012 01:17 AM
Bryan Robertson
Los Altos, CA

How about they close the door.  I could see the potential power of humor and lightening up the situation but not everyone is going to like that.  Personally, they should keep all that discussion behind closed doors and quiet.

Feb 01, 2012 01:58 AM
Gregory Bain
Mezzina Real Estate & Insurance - Little Egg Harbor, NJ
For Homes on the Jersey Shore

I am not appalled by our soldiers pissing on the dead bodies nor am I shocked by the attorneys comments.

Everyone that works in fields where there is great distress must find a way to cope with it and most will need to become detached from it. Sensitivity to the surrounding audience (the soldiers put their actions up on youtube) will always be a challenge when everyone has a video camera.  

Everyone laughs at someone else's misfortune, check out America's Funniest Videos or the movie Jackass they laugh because it wasn't them. Let's hope we don't make (by law) everyone be politically correct.

Feb 01, 2012 02:07 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Gregory:  This is not about what is or what is not "politically correct." 

And, to use YOUR example about "our" soldiers urinating on the dead bodies of our "enemies..." would you still find it funny... would you still laugh... if it was a Taliban soldier urinating on the dead body of your son, or of the son or daughter of someone you loved ?

There is politically correct, and then there is simple right and wrong.  Apparently you were absent the day they taught that.

Feb 01, 2012 05:38 AM
Michelle Francis
Tim Francis Realty LLC - Atlanta, GA
Realtor, Buckhead Atlanta Homes for Sale & Lease

J Philip, 

Great shout out for the folks that are going through a very challenging time.  Sad that others are less caring than they should be.  Karma can be brutal.

All the best, Michelle

Feb 01, 2012 06:51 AM
Gregory Bain
Mezzina Real Estate & Insurance - Little Egg Harbor, NJ
For Homes on the Jersey Shore

@Karen Ann Stone #48.

I said I wasn't appalled, I didn't say I would do it. Nor, did I say I condone it. I simply implied that I understand it. Like everyone here, I have seen "Blackhawk down" and can assure you Hollywood has nothing on real life. Yeah, I know about Abu Ghraib and I watched the news panic over Jessica Lynch being violated by those "horrible" Iranians. War is hell.

The job of a soldier is not to die for his country it is to make the other guy die for his/her country.

Now that you've lectured me on the rights and wrongs in life - you can pray for my soul. You must be closer to GOD than I am, and I need all the help I can get.

Feb 01, 2012 10:54 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Gregory:  No... I am not closer to God.  You and I are just drawn towards different things, I guess.  Different things appeal to us.  I have not seen Jackass or Blackhawk Down.  No appeal for me.  And... if you will re-read my comment... I made no judgment about you, I just asked you a question.  Perhaps the difference is simply hormonal.  I don't know.  As far as needing help... we all do.

Feb 01, 2012 11:26 AM
Dawn Maloney
RE/MAX Trinity Northeast Ohio Real Estate Specialist - Hudson, OH
330-990-4236 Hudson & Northeastern Ohio

To those of you who give the attorneys a pass, nope, sorry.

They are ALWAYS like this. Talking about where to eat lunch, where they vacation, jewelry they bought, etc. This is easy money to them. Shooting fish in a barrel.

Feb 01, 2012 11:30 PM