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42 Comments on Most Attic Access Panels aren't Insulated Properly
Josh- thanks.
Jay - where do you even buy 3" foam?
Gita - they're certainly tricky to get right.
Greg- agreed. It makes 'em a bear to lift though :)
Brian - I'm sure the leaky attic access panel is part of it.
Howard & Susan - no, not good. Not too difficult to fix though.
Michael - It sounds like I just found a project for you this weekend ;)
James - but man it's tough getting those foam boards cut just perfectly. I'd love to have an industrial sized table saw with a 20" blade for this.
Christine - I bet you love your whole house fan, don't you?
Gary - that's where the radiant heat barriers come in handy.
Nathan - thanks.
Richie - always a pleasure :)
Tom - you bet.
Stephen - those pull-down steps are definitely a challenge to get right. I've seen very few that weren't huge leakers.
Eric - it's always something, isn't it?
Peggy - insulated tinfoil tent sounds good to me.
Jo - me too. Foam is great stuff. Hmmm... that wasn't intentional.
Charles - not only that, but if the attic access is located in a closet, nobody would mind having to put a couple of handles on the panel so it can be pulled down in to place.
albert - it's always great to hear from you.
Don't know! Foams R' Us?
Styro B' Us?
I would be happy seeing poorly insulated ones since most of the time I don't see any.
New toy, Reuben?
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and attic hatches are normally the weakest links in attic insulation
Reuben:
Waht an interesting post. I hadn't realized the difficulty in insulating the opening to the attic. Now I know.
Reuben, best ones are where the cellulose blown in installer leaves about 6 " piled up on top of or around the panel opening, in the master closet, in an occupied home, with a few dozen dresses and suits hung right below. If I peek at it and start seeing insulation falling out, I know I'm in for a long inspection covering up clothes and the floor. Major pain in the butt.
Thank you Reuben - timely post and thank you for sharing!
Now I know what to ask the insulation people for when installing the opening in the hall way in my new home. In addition ther's also insulation under the roof tiles, a 'blanket' of aluminiom foil...helps to keep dust away, reduces noise levels, and promotes better insulation (heat and cold), and also stops leaks in the ceiling when roof tiles are broken.
I also recall from a previous post a great idea to insulate the back of the garage doors with foam panels....
Great idea and thank you. Best from W.Australia
Reuben, Good article. This is one of those common items. But how they handle it out here is that they have the access in the garage where it may not be insulated at all so the access will not need to be insulated. If it is a heated garage different story.
It is amazing how many, otherwise, well insulated attics have no insulation over the hatch. In my own home I placed a double layer of 6" fiberglass batts, cut to the hatch dimensions, in a heavy duty builders trash bag and attached the bag to the top of the hatch cover. Vapor barrier and insulation all in one and since it is soft it conforms to the sides of the hatch dam well. Worked for me at minimal cost.
I do like the idea of caulking the hatch cover in place to help reduces air flow into the attic and the necessity of explaining to clients that the black stain on the hatch dam is dirt not mold.
My son has one of those hall way pull-down panels and could feel a draft. He played around with insulation, rigid foam, etc. Bottom line was, he wasn't satisfied. After looking around, he found an "igloo". At least that is what it looked like, without the door. It is lightweight, and fits over the hole in the attic. You can pick it up and move it with one hand. Not sure where he got it, but probably Lowes or Home Depot! His heat bill dropped about 10% ater getting it and the house is warmer.
Good idea about the rigid foam insulation glued together.
I am so glad I live in California. We still struggle with insulation, but it never gets as cold out here.
Yup...picture 4 looks like mine. However...my house attic access is in the garage...which in and of itself is not allowed in some states...but I digress...anyway...my garage is totally insulated and has never froze...even at -17 with no heater on...but I can feel the cold air on those cold days....
I might redo with the styrofoam surround, etc idea. Thanks!!!
It's easy to get extra insullation put in, and it can make a huge difference on heat cost and comfort in the home. Great post on some differences!
Hi Reuben, fortunately we don't have that problem in Florida. I really like the thermal image showing the temperature difference.
I have a pull down staircase and a furnace in my attic. I got an estimate to add more installation up their ranging from $2500-$3500.
The best attic hatches I've seen are a product well designed for the job. It has a frame that is installed with the drywall ceilings and when the joint taping is done there is nothing to see, no trim, no heavy frame.
The panel itself is paintable sheet metal over a foan insulation core, much like a frige door. and like modern frige doors it has a stepped profile arround the edges that mirrors the frame profile.
The key is the continuous magnetic seal all arround the preimeter, that snaps into contact when you close the hatch, just like a frige door. You know it's closed and it's air tight and well insulated.
And all you see on the finished ceiling is a flush surface with a 20 by 20 pencil line joint seam (some are 20 by 30 inches). Typically they are placed in the ceiling just over the bedroom door where they are out of line of sight from the hallway.
Being in the door swing area means ther is never any furnature obstruction or access problems when you need to get to the attic. Any lose insulation that may come down in the process does not soil racks of clothes (like in a closet) and cleanup is a simple sweep up job.
Where higher insulation R factor values are required it is a simple matter to glue additional foam panels to the attic side of the hatch. Just make sure the glue is compatible with the foam and won't disolve it like contact cement.
Those commenters from warmer climates who think this issue is not important for them are being short sighted, especially if they are maintaining cooled spaces with air conditioning. Even when you are not, high levels of continuous insulation in an air tight envelope give you control of your environment.
You can always open a window or door for 'fresh air. But when you are seeking shelter from cold or heat extremes, or high humidity, etc, if the control isn't built in, ...it isn't there.