5 Tips for RealtorsThis is the third in a four part series for Real Estate Agents on Dealing with Real Estate Investors.  In previous EquityScout posts I investigated what investors are looking for in a real estate agent and why real estate agents should care about investors.  Here's part three:  what kind of investors are out there and how do I deal with them?

Unfortunately, in my book there are six types of investors out there, and I like to work with even "fives" (has a nicer ring to it).  So I'm going to take the first type of investor out of the equation.  This is the seasoned professional.  This guy's been around the block, knows what he wants, is decisive, has the knowledge and financial backing to close deals, and basically is a dream to work with.  Great.  But, unfortunately there aren't enough of them to go around.  And that leaves us with the remaining five.  All of these potentially are keepers, you just need to have some mitigation strategies in your back pocket. 

Type 1:  The New investor.  What this guy lacks in experience he makes up for enthusiasm.  Unfortunately, he's often unfocused and difficult to coach.  He might be looking for his first deal.

Mitigation strategy:  The good news is this:  new investors will sometimes turn into seasoned professionals.  That's the kind of investors we love, remember?  Working with new investors is a great way to seed your business for the future.  You don't want to spend all of your time teaching someone else, but bear in mind that in building these relationships you're sowing the seeds of future business. 

Type 2:  The Guru Victim.  There's a guru out there - get this - who insists that the key to getting rich is to open multiple LLC's, get business credit cards for each, and use the credit cards to finance your real estate investments.  No, I'm not joking.  And believe me, there's even worse out there.  Guru investing seminars are a menace, and if one of their recently converted disciples gets hold of you get ready to deal with a difficult customer.

Mitigation strategy:  These investors sometimes are a lost cause.  If you get a new investor client ask her what prompted her to get into the market.  If you find some wacky ideas but underneath it all there's a foundation of common sense, then it might make sense to treat her as a new investor (Type 1).  If not, you might be better off encouraging her to find another agent. 

Type 3: The Lifestyle Guy.  The lifestyle guy is tired of this 9-to-5 ratrace.  He's ready to sit back, cruse around in his new hummer, and watch the cash roll in from his real estate empire.  But as you already know, the problem here is that real estate isn't a short-term game.  If Mr. Lifestyle guy has his crystal ball then he'll be able to look into it and tell you which is the next market that's going to skyrocket at 25% per year.  But I haven't met anyone like that yet.  If you don't get his expectations in line then he's gonna make your life difficult.

Mitigation strategy:  Run the numbers and understand them.  This is a crucial skill for you as an agent.  Then show them to Mr. Lifestyle Guy; make him understand.  If he doesn't get it, send him packing - his unrealistic expectations will keep you from having a productive relationship.  If he does get it, however, then you might want to treat him as a new investor (Type 1)

Type 4:  The Tire Kicker.  This guy is putting all kinds of miles on your new car.  Enough already

Mitigation strategy:  Investors have to be able to screen.  You can help.  Send Mr. Tire Kicker out on his own to drive by the properties; this alone will narrow down the list.  Then take the short-list and run the numbers.  The ones that work: go check them out.  And take it easy on your car. 

Type 5:  The Negotiator*.  The negotiator doesn't want to pay full commission.  She wants a break back from you, whether she's on the buy or the sell end of the transaction. 

Mitigation strategy:  Okay, this one is likely to earn me some heckling, but hey, this is a discussion board, isn't it?  Here's my view:  A buyer generally has a certain set of expectations from an agent which justifies the agent getting 3% of the deal (assuming 6% commission and a 50/50 split).  The agent needs to assess the needs of the buyer, screens lots of possibilities, narrows down the list, arranges the showings, spends his/her time/effort/gasoline visiting the homes, advises the buyer on the purchase, negotiates on the buyer's behalf, takes the buyer through the closing process and in the end gets the keys into the buyer's hands. That's a lot of work, and this is why an agent's commission is well earned. 

But...some investors don't need of all of this!  If the buyer is an investor who doesn't need the time, effort, money, expertise that one would normally expect from a buyer's agent it's not unreasonable that the investor not expect to pay the same fee as a homebuyer who does.  Expect this to become more commonplace as the market increases in transparency.  The key: don't put more effort into the deal than you're getting in commission. 

*My obligatory conflict of interest disclaimer:  I'm a negotiator.  Generally speaking, I ask my agent to open the door and to fax my offer to the other agent.  The only time she comes to the closing is if she wants to network.

 

14 Comments on For Real Estate Agents :: 5 Types of Investors, and What to Do About It

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20
2006
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Christopher Type #1 and #2 are rampant in Atlanta.  I receive 3-4 emails or calls a week from this group.  99% of the time they are nothing but trouble.
2:14pm • #1
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You can spot the problem investors right away. They have absolutely no criteria for what they are looking for. Their criteria that is "anything that is a good deal." Good luck with that. If you don't know what you want to buy you don't know what you are doing.
7:34pm • #2
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The Negotiator is one I only work with when there are very large dollars involved (on the commission side, not just the deal size).  Often I have found that those that come off as type 5 are really type 4, so they want to hack the fees down...to be tire kickers, because in reality some of them are really type 2!

9:23pm • #3
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I like to sit with the investor upfront and from a series of question figure out what he is looking for, and let him know what I will be doing for him. This discussion involves financing.  I don't like to waste his time and I don't want to waste mine, so we have a goal in mind.  Don't get me wrong I a focus but not stuffy, people usually like me.

9:47pm • #4
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 Damion:  if you're running the numbers and doing the analysis for the investor then you're actually doing more work than most agents do for the average homebuyer, not less.  An investor who is asking an agent to go the extra mile - especially in terms of providing economic evaluation (a skill most agents don't have) can't reasonably ask for a discount.  With this I agree. 

Don:  Let me play devil's advocate here, if you'll allow me.  When I'm considering an investment usually it's one that I've come up with myself - from a lead, a drive-by, an FSBO site, MLS, etc.

And my criteria is ...drumroll...a good deal

I'm not going to live in the house.  It's an investment.  So I don't shop like a normal residential homebuyer; I'm not going to decide that I'm looking for, say, a three bed two bath open floorplan with high ceilings and a big back yard.  In general I'm simply looking for a property with positive cashflow - and positive cashflow comes in all shapes and forms.  This might be a low-end single family home in a working class neighborhood, or a higher end townhouse loft in a trendy area.  The common demoninator, however, tends to be that I need to buy either in the "right" neighborhood (meaning a neighborhood with a high rent/value ration) or I need to buy at below market value. 

So when I say that "I'm looking for a good deal" that doesn't mean I don't know what I want to buy.  I know exactly what I want to buy: cashflow.   And the agent that I work with knows that cashflow comes in all forms.  

Gabriel:  A 5 that's really a 4 that turns out to be a 2 is acutually just a plain old 2.  2's never close anything. 

 

10:02pm • #5
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Well informed - good post
11:22pm • #6
DEC
21
2006
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I've had quite a few new investors that aren't guru victims at all.  Most of these folks have no direct experience but have friends that are experienced investors and they make for awesome clients.

5:15am • #7
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I know investors that are combinations of all 5, they are scary. But hey, not all of us investors are bad as you mentioned with the one excluded category, and true investors represent one beautiful thing, repeat, repeat, repeat business!
5:32am • #8
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 Chris:  Sounds like you're building a portfolio of business that keeps coming back.

Ray:  The overall tone of this particular post feels negative (it's a what to watch out for kind of post) but overall I think investors are great

7:30am • #9
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Investors are clients, and as such agents need to explain how they work.  If it's not a good fit - then move on.  Just because an investor wants an agent to "adjust" their business model doesn't mean they have to.  We require Buyer Broker Exclusive Employment Agreements for all our clients - investors included.  Some are willing to sign them - a couple have been forthright enough to acknowledge they are working with several agents in the same market - and won't sign the agreement.  We amicably move on.
8:12am • #10
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Investors are great Buyers - but more difficult Sellers - particularly if they want to keep the property tenant occupied while it's on the market!
9:20am • #11
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Christopher,

Thanks for the great post, bookmark worthy. I can say that I have wasted my time with some investors and I can say that some have been a blessing. I do agree that the selling side is worse than the buying side. Thanks

10:28am • #12
Great information. A few years ago, a new agent came into my office very excited. She just got a floor call from an investor looking for property in our town. She was very excited as she expained what the client was looking for and I told her how to prepare for her visit the next day. Then she told me the client told her "money was no object". Since she did not have anything else to do and needed Face to Face experience, I let her go ahead knowing she would learn a very valuable lesson. Money is always an object. I sure you all know the rest of the story.
David Love
5:46pm • #13
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23
2006
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