Would You Give $10,000 For $2,500? Are You Kidding Me?

Would You Give $10,000 For $2,500? Are You Kidding Me? by Bill Roberts

Most people facing retirement are asked to make this trade. They are currently earning about $10,000 per month (husband and wife) and probably getting by OK. They can even take vacations, buy gifts for the Grandchildren, and entertain friends.

But then RETIREMENT rears its ugly head. They give up their $10,000 per month income and replace it with Social Security of about $2,500 per month. Are you kidding me? I think I'll just keep working.

More and more of us (Baby Boomers) realize that this is our only choice. We will work ‘til we die.

What we really need is another $10,000 per month to replace our regular income. This can come from one source, such as a couple million dollars in a retirement account, or it can come from multiple sources.

Multiple Streams of Income

If your retirement account is a little anemic, don't despair. We'll supplement it with a little from here, a little from there, and the sum total will be enough to take care of you very nicely.

The Ten Year Plan

If the choice is to work until you die, a ten year plan might be a good alternative. With just this much advance planning most Baby Boomers can provide that necessary $10,000 per month to replace their normal income.

So what do you do? Well, you pick several selections from this chart that "Add up" to the amount you need to retire and then you make it happen. Ten years should be enough time to reach these numbers easily if you apply yourself.

 

SOURCE

 INCOME

 

 

Social Security

 $                               2,500.00

 

 

Self-Directed IRA Account

 $                               5,000.00

 

 

Annuity

 $                               2,500.00

 

 

Four Rental Units

 $                               2,500.00

 

 

Trees

 $                               5,000.00

 

 

Home Based Business

 $                               2,500.00

 

 

Part-Time Job / Consulting

 $                               2,500.00

 

 

Network Marketing

 $                               2,500.00

 

 

 

 

 

 

Self-Directed IRA Account

To achieve $5,000 per month from your IRA, we will need to make certain assumptions:

  • You make maximum contributions for 10 years
  • You start with $50,000 in your account
  • You are able to average 10% ROI
  • You invest your IRA funds in real estate

You can do it all yourself or you can seek assistance, but you will need an IRA custodian that allows you to invest in real estate. Most custodians are associated with mutual funds or stock brokerages. They won't let you invest in real estate. You will need to look elsewhere for a more reasonable custodian.

Once your account is set up, you will need to find a suitable investment. It can be virtually anything from raw land to a single family residence (but not your residence) or even something as esoteric as tax certificates.

Your goal is to accumulate about $600,000 in your Self-Directed IRA account. It's not as hard as it sounds. You have ten years. If you buy raw land in the path of progress but far enough out to be affordable, you have two forces working in your favor: inflation and growth. Plus you are continuing to contribute to your IRA every year for ten years.

For more information read this If You Haven't Saved Enough Money to Retire You Better Read This.

Annuity


I don't want to spend a lot of time on annuities. This might represent your "company" retirement, or an insurance policy you bought years ago, or even your investment in money market funds. Whatever the source, this helps reach your goal of $10,000 per month.

Four Rental Units

Somewhere along the way you decided to become a landlord. You bought a 4-plex in a moderate income area. After ten years, inflation is going to turn about 50% of the rent into net positive cash flow. Even if you have a slight negative cash flow when you bought the property, time will "cure" these problems. Rents will increase while your mortgage payment will remain more or less constant. As a general rule, whatever your mortgage payment is now is what your net cash flow will be in ten years. This is merely a function of inflation which is even more sure than death and taxes.

Realize that you will have work to do "managing" this investment and you will wonder if it is worth it at times. Keep your eye on the goal: Retirement with enough income to pay the bills. You could buy four 4-plexes and reach your entire goal right here.

"Who Says Money Doesn't Grow On Trees?"©

This is one of my favorite strategies for achieving your retirement goal. Ten acres of fruit or nut trees can provide a nice little income stream. Whether you grow to sell to a marketing co-op such as Sunkist or Calavo, or you run a Pick-it-Yourself orchard, you can have a roadside stand, or participate in local "Farmers Markets," your trees will definitely grow money for you.

This fits into a ten year plan perfectly because trees take seven to ten years to come into full production. You buy 10+ acres of suitable land on which you plant saplings. You take care of your trees for ten years, and then they will take care of you for the rest of your life. Maybe you want to build your retirement home on the same land.

Home Based Business and Network Marketing

If you can "translate" a hobby into a Home Based Business you will be able to add a few bucks to your monthly income without feeling like you are actually working. You will need to treat it as a business, but you don't need to be a slave to your business, especially if you run it on the Internet. This can also be closely related to Network Marketing. The difference in my opinion is that in a Home Based Business you sell a product or service while in Network Marketing it is more about you making money off the efforts of other people whom you have recruited.

A good Network Marketing business will combine the two. You will "sell" a product or service to the public and you will recruit others who also sell that product or service. If the Home Based Business component is missing from the Network Marketing program don't touch it. If you only make money from recruiting then it is a pyramid scheme and certain to fail and possibly illegal anyway.

Two of my favorite Network Marketing / Home Based Businesses are YTB which stands for Your Travel Biz and Pre-Paid Legal. Both have excellent services which are marketed to the public. I personally use the services and would even if there wasn't a Network Marketing opportunity attached.

If you are interested in any of the topics covered in this post you may call me. Bill Roberts (619) 244-4610.

 
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29 Comments on Would You Give $10,000 For $2,500? Are You Kidding Me?

Excellent information. Not sure about the trees though. We are some of those people who will work until we drop. :-)

11/23/2007 10:57 PM by Bob & Carolin Benjamin - E Phoenix Arizona Real Estate (The Benjamin Team - Keller Williams Integrity First Realty )


Bob & Carolin, The trees really work. A lot of people have small orchards that produce $50,000 to $100,000 per year. Maybe not enough to live on, but a really nice supplement to whatever else you have.

Bill Roberts

11/23/2007 11:05 PM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


Bill,

Really good information, I am starting to do the Home Based Business and Network Marketing myself for extra income and network with people that I can do Real Estate transaction with.

11/23/2007 11:31 PM by Sako Baghoyan Redondo Beach Homes (Keller Williams Redondo Beach )


Good post.  People need to think about retirement and many sales people in general are very bad about saving.  You show there is hope.  Some of your ideas do still sound like a lot of work:  managing property...well I guess four units isn't all that much; the tree farm, and the home  based business/network marketing.  BUT, as YOU said, if you can turn a hobby into a business, it won't seem like work.  Even the trees could be a hobby for someone that likes to garden. 

11/23/2007 11:45 PM by Sondra Meyer (United Country Brazos Valley Realty)


Sondra, Yes, it will be some work, but if the choice is to work for ever, then it's still a no brainer.

Thanks for commenting.

Bill Roberts

11/23/2007 11:51 PM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


You are correct.  Have a good evening.  p.s.  I look forward to future blogs of yours. 

11/24/2007 12:04 AM by Sondra Meyer (United Country Brazos Valley Realty)


Bill- You are right on the money! Thanks for a great post that helps folks understand they are not doomed to work til they die. Katerina

11/24/2007 12:08 AM by Nestor & Katerina Gasset, RealtorsĀ® Wellington Florida Luxury Homes (International Properties and Investments, Inc.)


Sondra, I have posted over 100 times. Maybe some of these would also be interesting to you.

Bill Roberts

11/24/2007 12:12 AM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


Katerina, there is always hope. A lot of people don't help themselves because they think it is impossible. All it really takes is to cut the problem up into little pieces that anybody can handle. Thanks for visiting.

Bill Roberts

11/24/2007 12:15 AM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


BILL:  Very informative post.  I was curious when I saw trees as a category, but you explained it well at the bottom of the page.  Thanks for sharing this information.

11/24/2007 08:11 AM by Adam Waldman - Long Island REALTORĀ® (RE/MAX Best)


Most people do not see it like this.  It is because they do not really think about it.  Great post.

11/24/2007 11:22 AM by Dave Cheatham (Indigo)


Thanks Bill,    for some great information.  I think the trees thing is great.  I have some land with pecan trees in the path of future development.  I'm counting on this as part of my retirement.  Glad you think it is a good investment.  Makes me feel good.   Got more to sell if you want some.

11/24/2007 11:26 AM by Ricki Eichler, your Texas Hill Country connection (Coldwell Banker Heart of the Hills, Realtors)


Bill R: I enjoy reading some of the creative manners in making money....the trees are a great idea....especially since I have some acreage but never really thought about it. Thanks for the value you provide in getting others to think about the future.

11/24/2007 11:30 AM by Bill Nazur (Nazur Enterprises, Inc. & BAMG)


Adam, I'm writing a book on retirement planning for Baby Boomers. The idea about trees is in the book, with a little more detail and a couple of case studies. Thanks for reading and commenting.

Bill Roberts

11/24/2007 08:09 PM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


Ricki, How many Pecans do you have? Do you have them planted about 25 trees to the acre?

And you said you have more for sale. OK, what do you have?

Thanks for commenting.

Bill Roberts

11/24/2007 08:16 PM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


Bill Nazur, Where is your land? I may have some ideas for it.

Bill Roberts

11/24/2007 08:18 PM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


Bill

You do an especially good job with your explanations of otherwise complex subjects...subjects that oft times cause the explainer to let his explanation squish off into non-focus.

This one is especially good.  If you aren't making a million bucks a year, Bill Roberts, why not?  You darned sure ought to be.

Billycherry

P.S.  Have you thought about making a booklet or book of your pertinent posts and either selling it or giving it to prospective clients or both?

11/25/2007 11:26 AM by BILL CHERRY (BILL CHERRY, REALTORS - DALLAS)


I love your concepts on self-directed IRA and the tree.

Money does grow on the tree.  I have no problem with that.  You inspire me to look after a 31 acre farmland after I drop the idea.  I will give it a 2nd thought.

For IRA account, I know self-directed IRA very well and some reputable companies providing good info on internet.  It is a capital idea.  However, those company have never answered my question:

I am a self-employee for 20 years who has never had a paycheck such as salary or wages.  As I know, IRA is solely for those who has a positive income as in your example, not for those with passive income and portofio income.  I am not qualified for it.  Is there any way that I can have self-directed IRA set up today?

Yes, I figure out that I can set up my own LLC to give me perfect qualification.  But it takes time and I am a easy and lazy guy who want a simple life.  And I want it now as those Yuppies, even I am an old dog.

Thank you in advance for your info or help.

11/25/2007 11:49 AM by Ed Tse (richvalley)


Bill Cherry, A quite a few of my posts are from two books I have in the works: "How To Buy A Business" and "Baby Boomer Retirement Guide."

I appreciate your very kind words. My wife would like to know where that million dollars a year is too. Oh well, maybe next year.

Bill Roberts

11/25/2007 06:06 PM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


Ed, Everybody qualifies for some sort of retirement plan. Maybe your best bet is a "company" retirement plan from your LLC. Talk to your CPA. If you qualify I would set up a Roth Self-Directed IRA because it is cheaper to pay the tax on the contribution than on the distribution which can be many times your original contribution.

Good luck.

Bill Roberts

11/25/2007 06:14 PM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


Bill~

You gotta' know I LOVE this one! It's an eco-friendly investment opp!! YAY-yeah! You suggested, " Ten acres of fruit or nut trees can provide a nice little income stream. Whether you grow to sell to a marketing co-op such as Sunkist or Calavo, or you run a Pick-it-Yourself orchard, you can have a roadside stand, or participate in local "Farmers Markets," your trees will definitely grow money for you." 

Could you please also advise that trees need TLC not toxic chemicals that will end up in our water supply?

11/26/2007 03:56 PM by Asheville's GREEN Land & Homes ECO-Steward Realty


janeAnne, You live where it is green. I'm in the desert. A lot of people don't realize it is a desert because we "import" a lot of water to fool everyone. That said, a farmer who uses toxic chemicals here
"poisons" his own land because there aren't streams and rivers to carry it away. It stays where it's put. That's the nature of an arid climate. Consequently we are very concerned with toxicity here.

Bill Roberts

11/26/2007 09:49 PM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


Bill R.

My land is in the high desert near a military town......Ridgecrest...

It is a long term hold for me, but we can discuss at some point. Hope all is well!

11/27/2007 02:29 AM by Bill Nazur (Nazur Enterprises, Inc. & BAMG)


Bill Nazur, Ridgecrest is very interesting to me. Its on my list of where to invest next. How did you happen to buy there?

Bill Roberts

11/27/2007 09:21 PM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


Bill R

I know the area extremely well, as my wife was a military child and her Dad was stationed there.

As well, I know more about that town, than maybe some of the locals since I've provided extensive financing, and have carried several investments in the area. :)

I'm hectic the next few days, but we'll see if we can make some time.

Hope all is well in your world!

11/28/2007 01:16 AM by Bill Nazur (Nazur Enterprises, Inc. & BAMG)


Bill, All is well. China Lake is more commercial than military. All the weapons systems contractors lease space there. It is rather unique as far as Naval Bases go. But it should be very secure from the Base Realignment and Closings committee. It makes money and we need the new systems. Ridgecrest is a "hot button" item for me.

Bill Roberts

11/29/2007 03:57 PM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


Bill R.

Yes, it is very unique in its arrangement with all the contractors. We'll have to talk about this in more detail. I believe it is a solid long term investment, that is further supported by what is occuring with BRAC. If anything, one of the major issues I have with the town is that it seems to want to remain a 'small town'. That mentality drives me nuts sometimes, given that they want to benefit from growth, as if it should fall out of a tree, without investing money into the very town.....ok, I'm going to stop there....we'll just talk, cause that town is a hot button for me as well.

11/30/2007 11:29 AM by Bill Nazur (Nazur Enterprises, Inc. & BAMG)


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