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Shmittens is a term that some of us regular doggie park go-ers coined for when an irresponsible dog owner lets them do their business, fails to pick it up and the next thing we know another pup has run through it and several people end up having to clean up the mess.  It started out to be "sh*t mittens" but we shortened it down to "shmittens" to clean it up so we could use the phrase in front of the younger crowd.

Shmittens suck because we normally don't realize it until it is too late.  Several people usually get "schmittened" inadvertently by the dog before the "shmittens" get cleaned up.  Shmitteny prints get everywhere.

Reading Gena's post yesterday AM, reminded me of schmittens.  A very rude commenter came on and blatantly accused me of being ill informed in regards to the subprime mortgage market.  He claimed to be a Realtor and Lender (gotta love hybrids) in that market.  I am sorry but I do know about what is going on and what needs and doesn't need to be done.  I have my baby wipes out and am cleaning up past shmittens as we speak.

Our governor has attempted to do the same and we ended up with a website.  YIPPEE!  It has had a whole 366 visits as of right now (I believe it went live around the 1st of Nov).  You have got to be kidding me!?!?!?!  I am betting in the same time period this particular blog post will have the more visits.  It appears that the Governor of Cali is just trying to extend a hand to the lenders to prolong the inevitable or to help a couple of homeowners get their stuff in gear and headed in the right direction.  It all remains to be seen.  I don't believe this is divine governmental intervention at it's finest.  I believe it is just PR for something that can be done by yourself or that other lenders are doing as a public service (more shmitten cleaning.)

Quite honestly, I do believe that most homes going "back to the bank" in Nevada are speculator owned.  These homes were bought by pseudo investors back in the hayday of killer appreciation.  I keep saying if we take those speculators out of our market, our foreclosure rate is just normal or merely slightly above.   What is absolutely going to kill us though, is the abundance of inventory that is pressuring prices downward.  Only serious sellers should be selling right now!

Here are hints of fraud from our up market:

  • Lots of homes from a single, newer subdivision facing foreclosure (possible RESPA violations from uses of builder's lender)
  • Speculators cutting their losses and not expecting long term holds
  • Over statement of income by buyers or suggestion from lenders with a wink and a nod (mortgage fraud resource link)
  • Appraisals coming in high with no justification
  • Just to name a few..

Hints of fraud from the down market:

  • Short sales double ending by agents.  They are making it impossible to show the property or turn in offers.  Banks should consider making it mandatory to fax them the offers and keep the property listed as exclusive right status until THEY accept the offer.
  • Husband/wife teams saying they are "getting a divorce" and want to short sale the property to one of the spouses.
  • Bailout scams where the owners think they are becoming current on their mortgage when in reality they are signing over the title to a new owner and are still liable for a mortgage 
  • Speculators collecting rent and not paying their mortgage 
  • Just to name a few..

Luckily our real estate market has some fuel in it because there is a sharp demand for housing:

REOs have brought the buyers out and properties that are priced appropriately are selling fast and with multiple offers.   Short Sale fraud & unwillingness from banks to hurry has created massive amounts of inventory.  We are certainly balancing a tight rope to educate our buyers and sellers in regards to the market conditions.  We need to restore buyer confidence because, if a buyer can qualify for a conforming mortgage product in the Las Vegas Valley, there is barely any disparity between a rental or a mortgage payment anymore.

Owner occupied residents facing foreclosure should do everything they can in their power to save their homes because it is a landlord's market.  Where will they live if they can't save their homes?  Landlords have the pick of the litter when it comes to finding applicants with good credit, employment and rental history.  They are thumbing their noses at foreclosures, bankruptcies and even just marginal rental & employment histories and credit, because they can.

The Libertarian in me begs me to avoid talking politics but isn't it ironic?  The 'Enron' Energy Crisis, 9/11, Loosening of Credit to create euphoria, A War in the Middle East and Oil Prices Skyrocketing.  "We Didn't Start the Fire", revised for this decade, really?  I don't think anyone could foresee the future, that we would end up with shmittens all over us when this all started in 2001 and a fast forward to 2007:  Tripled electric prices, doubled gasoline and heating prices, adjusted mortgage rates & doubled home prices sucking money out of the economy. 

I don't think the Governor is proposing a bailout, he is merely getting the word out that we need to renegotiate our notes at the first sign of trouble.  Why is it a bad thing?  It is a win-win for both the homeowner and the note holder, at this point in time.

After all, I sincerely believe that the government did create the economic frenzy we are in today and I think they should probably stay out of it to let it correct itself.  We, as real estate professionals, have the power to step up to the plate and teach people how to fix the mess and show them the resources to avoid future trouble.  There are already laws on the books for many of the wrongs that have been done.  Why don't we just use them?

Some excellent reads that spun off of Gena's post:

CALIFORNIA SUBPRIME BORROWERS MAY GET RELIEF? - More Questions than Answers (Lenn Harley)

The subprime mantra, "Easy in.....easy out(Broker Bryant)

A Recipe for Unmitigated Disaster (Ed Rybczynski)

 Added 11/24/2007:

California Foreclosures ... Stupidity or Greed (Kaye Thomas)

Fannie, Freddie and the Future of Property Values (Michael Tarabotto)

Added 11/25/2007: 

 When the Pant Legs Are Two Different Sizes...Why A One Size Fits All Solution Won't Work! (Lola Audu)

 

The typical Metro Detroit foreclosure family. (Kris Wales)

 

 

 

 

 

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30 Comments on Shmittens in Nevada: Up Markets Breed Fraud, Down Markets Breed Fraud

NOV
24
2007
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Shmittens, I love it!  And I do love the Realtor/Lender hybrids myself...NOT!  How about coining a phrase for them as well?  Realder?  Lentor? 
3:34am • #1
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Yeah, I thought schmittens was a scream, too. 

Husband/wife teams saying they are "getting a divorce" and want to short sale the property to one of the spouses.

Are you flipping kidding me?   

5:51am • #2
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I wish I had several free hours today to do nothing but read all of the excellent posts that have come out the last couple of days on this subject.  Renee, it's going to be an interesting year ahead isn't it?

BTW, love the schmittens :-) 

6:51am • #3
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Renee,

In my opinion...whoever approved these people for loans made the mistake of submitting incorrect information and didn't adequately make sure that they could afford to pay the loan payments. Many fraud deals have happened not just in Vegas but in Florida and across the country. It is time for these banks and the people who caused this to be held accountable that is if they still even exist. You can take it anyway you want ...the bottom lines is how can someone with a 500 score and can't pay a small bill for their cellphone be able to pay a monthly mortgage and other carrying costs. That is just my opinion and common sense.

7:52am • #4
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You got 'Schmittened' by a hybrid agent? Not good enough at real estate to be successful so they added loans. And not good enough at loans that they still need real estate..... hmmmm.....  take THAT comment with a grain of salt and consider the source

 

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How about the person who can't pay daycare but can pay a mortgage with a 520 credit score. How does this get by some underwriters.
9:31am • #6
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Excellent post Renee! It sounds like your market may rebound quickly from all of this. The strong rental market is always a sign of things getting ready to turn the corner. I really find that fascinating about the Vegas market. I wish I could say that about Poinciana Fl.

I just added this post to a "resource page" I am putting together. There have been so many excellent posts on this topic over the last few days. It's awesome to be able to get different perspectives from different markets through out the country. I think my sellers need to read this stuff. 

11:14am • #8
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I read the fellow's semi-literate comments to Gena's post.  The name-calling was out of line.  Maybe his turkey got overcooked or something..
11:26am • #9
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More is being done in Nevada. Senator Reid's office organized a 'Tour of Aid' that is making five stops around the state to assist distressed homeowners. It will be in Las Vegas this Thursday from noon to 2 PM. (OK, I didn't say a lot more was being done!)
1:05pm • #10

Great post Renee, forget Mark, it sounds like he was a real estate salesman, who practiced selling over priced, or unfit, properties to his clients until they caught on, and he had quit.  Then he got into lending where he wrote bad loans, got caught and was asked to leave. Then got into speculating, and now he wants bailed out and is ticked off because the Gov. wants to help the people that really deserve the help.

Schmittens huh? I might have to get a pair. Have a Great Day!! 

2:19pm • #11
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Renee- Oh boy..Shmittens.. I'm still laughing...seems to cover a multitude of situations and those involved.. 

 Your market is different from ours for a number of reasons. You had a lot of speculative buying  which a lot of areas in California didn't see.  I suspect that there will be more in the future as prices are so cheap compared to California.  It's interesting that buying and renting are almost on a par costwise.  It will be interesting to see how that plays in the future. 

Your market is going to have some real problems in the future  with tougher loan guidelines because many of your buyers work in service related industries and while they make good money they really can't document all of it.  I see this as possibly one of the biggest issues your market will face. 

Once more real estate markets are local and while things may seem the same .. rising foreclosures.. many of the underlying cuases are very different.

5:07pm • #12
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Renee...

I can't get past the "Schmitten" ... It's right up there with ... "Ka-Ka Heads" :)

After reading about 'Schmitten' I have nothing but silly things to say :)

TLW...ROAR!

5:11pm • #13
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Love schmittens and will appropriate it for use here!  With an older dog in the house, unfortunately I've needed schmittens here more often than not.

And the analogy to cleaning the mess that is imploding before us is perfect! 

6:02pm • #14
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Renee,

What a tangled web we weave!

The shmittens term cracked me up!

Happy Holidays!

Lucky :)

6:50pm • #15
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Renee-very creative I got a good chuckle!  Also I think this is an incredible piece with lots of great info.  I have to check out some of the links. This post is excellent.
8:43pm • #16

I think you're heading in the right direction about the previous years' current events.  Quite a few people I have talked with are deciding which services (cable, phone, internet, etc.) to discontinue for gas money.  It seems that the knowledgeable have become cheats, and the unwitting have become cheated.

9:24pm • #17
NOV
25
2007

WOW!  Awesome post Renee.  I wish I had more time in the day to bounce from post to post and read all the interesting stuff out here!  I would say I have to agree with almost everything you said on this post.  The only thing I may only "indirectly" agree with is that the government created the frenzy.  "The Fed" really isn't a government entinty.  And the BIG investors are not government either.  Now, I do believe that the BIG investors and the BIG banks and the government are intertwined at a very high level, so I do not completely disagree with you either.  The loan frenzy came about when the BIG money investors figured out a way to "re-rate" the high-risk loans.  They started with SIVs (Structured Investment Vehicles - a bundle of loans) of which about 85% were investment grade and 15% were junk (the junk was our stated/stated, no doc/no asset ver, ninja type loans).  These SIVs were normally sold to investors as one bundle.  Well, "they" decided to take the 15% of non investment grade (junk bond) loans out of numerous SIVs and put them in CDOs (Collateralized Debt Obligations - a different bundle of loans).  Just to give you an idea on the numbers we are talking about, each SIV or CDO contained about 6000 loans.  Now, these CDOs were re-rated with the same structure as the SIVs.  So VIOLA, only 15% of that whole bundle of high-risk, non-investment grade, non-rated, junk bond loans were now considered non-investment grade.  This was done over and over and over until the foreign investment community finally caught on and 2 Bear Stearn's hedge funds went under on 8/9/07 (the beginning of the end).  This is just a very basic explanation, but it resulted in Shmittens everywhere!!!

Anyway, I guess when it comes down to it...I agree with you, but I think the FED (non-government, with government interests) is the cause.  The Fed has it's agenda and points the way for the government.  But, like I always say...I could be wrong...

BTW, I don't do loans.  I had thought about it and was just shy of sending my $180, or whatever it was, in to the Mortgage Lending Division, but I love Real Estate and decided to keep my focus.  But I do like to understand the money side of the house.  It has helped me, help my clients, countless times.

Keep the great posts coming!!!

12:24am • #18
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Renee', you come up with the most amazing statistics and numbers.  Love it!  You must truly eat and breathe real estate to know all the numbers like that.  Your posts are always very insightful, and I enjoy reading them.  How do you do it?  I'm a bit jealous.

Love the "shmittens", by the way.   

1:35am • #19
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Oh if it were all so simple. Renee, I dig you so I'll hush. Signed, your fraud fighting lender buddy who has no foreclosures in his portfolio but a deep understanding of the lender/investor/borrower relationship. I will say this: "Ms. Grocer - I bought these peas last week when I told you I could afford them and peas cost more but this week they cost less and I actually probably really couldn't afford them so I would like to keep the peas since I already ate some and I bought these beets that I really didn't need because my new neighbor had a can of beets too and well but since the governor says you overcharged me and I didn't care at the time because I was buying an overpriced house that my real estate agent showed me anyway I didn't say anything can I have some of my money back and I don't want to get rid of the beets first because they are a status symbol that I need to keep please?" Of course I know it's not that simple either but it is as absurd in many ways.
1:50am • #20
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Hey, that collection Broker Bryant is putting together sounds good.  I'll be on the lookout for it.
6:10am • #21
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Maggie:  I love it!  It's like a celebrity couple hybrid name!


CEG:  Serious, that's one reason why I think it wouldn't be best for the government to get involved!


Kris:  I spent several hours reading those also and digesting before commenting.  It's interesting to see how each market is different but our problems are the same!


Neal:  Unfortunately the problem runs deeper here.  Stated, 100%, option arms and balloon loans all have their place in my market, unfortunately there was too much abuse and the people who really need them are forced to reposition themselves so they can conform to a mortgage product.  While there is nothing wrong with that line of thinking, now that those that were waiting for prices to go down, can't even get a loan.  How crazy is that?


Tom:  I always consider the source :)  I love how they gave me that information and then tried to tell me what's up.  Laughable!


Missy:  I don't think those are the majority of people who are getting foreclosed on, here anyways.  Speculators who may have had good credit and hopes of a quick return on their $$$!


Michael:  I have to seriously look into the legislation to form a true opinion on it!  I am only reading news bits here and there!  I hope there is something done to help homeowners that really need it!


Bryant:  Thank you!  I think it is important for us to spread the word to help boost buyer confidence and help homeowners in need.  We did see a positive jump for new construction in October where we traditionally see a decline.  I am expecting monthly rises for at least the next six months.  Our RE economy has definitely seen a boost from it.


Eric:  Quite possibly :wink:


John:  Hmmm interesting :)  An election is coming up, will try to keep it all in perspective yet follow the events.  I think NV will gain attention until our caucus in Jan and then will be forgotten until we gain more electoral votes, which is what, 2010?  By then I think we will be OK :)


Larry:  No shmittens for you!  You need the wipes because shmittens cause messes!!!


Kaye:  You are one of the few non Nevada professionals who may 'get it'.  Like I explained to Neal above, so many people waited for prices to go down but now they have no loan product and must adjust their income, etc so they can conform.  Stated products were a good thing in our market.  Stated products are still around and NV has attempted to make them illegal but I do believe there are just extra steps that LOs have to go through to execute a stated income loan.  Unfortunately they were abused too much and investors had to pull the product or raise the rate.


TLW:  Oh come on, you do have more silly things to say :)  Maybe we can throw them in the lake :)
Josette:  Thanks for stopping by.  I just couldn't help but think of shmittens when we compare the mess, how we got here and how it needs to be cleaned up now.>LOL


Lucky:  YES!  Happy holidays to you too!


Midori:  Thanks for stopping by and I am happy to see you around still!


Wes:  That is the unfortunate state of affairs and that is precisely why I would be against a wide spread government bailout!  Cheats will figure out how it can work for them, the ones that really need help won't be able to make it work for them.  

Lowell:  I do realize that the Fed isn't really a government entity but they are sleeping together, just like lobbyists from large corporations and our federal politicians.  Heck, even our state politicians!  It is my absolute humble opinion that our vote doesn't count because of lobby money.  :shrug:  That's just me :)  I think politicians are elected because they have good intentions at the beginning but then become so wrapped up with getting re-elected that the pandering and legislation is lobby driven because it sure as heck isn't individual contributors that float their campaigns.

Marlene:  I sometimes get irritated because I am pretty wrapped up in real estate.  I tried to enjoy a couple of days off and the phone calls kept coming till 9 PM last night.  Everyone wants to write a contract today, go figure.  Anxiety at 5 AM woke me up and drove me to AR for a little "break".  LOL!

Ken:  MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN I hate when you feel like you need to be hushed!  Say what you need to say my friend!  I love your grocer scenario and wish I had about an hour to pound out more here!

Maggie:  YES IT IS!!! 

9:03am • #22
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Renee, very good post. Well thought out, informative, and RIGHT ON!! Since I witnessed the frenzy come to Arizona after Las Vegas after California, if your market is turning around, I think our's will this year too. I love your "Hints of Fraud". Hadn't seen the double ending of Short Sales. I typically stay away from those because most of my buyers are wanting to close within 30-45 days. I also agree there's no "fix" that works for everyone, and the government needs to stay out. Very interesting.

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2:25pm • #23
NOV
26
2007
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Schmittens!  I got lost in the commentary on your post, Renee.  I'll be back to read more.

Mike in Tucson

8:03am • #24
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Renee - A quick check on GoDaddy.com reveals that Shmitttens.com is still available!  Wonder how long that will last?!  Hope you had a great Thanksgiving!
12:30pm • #25
NOV
27
2007
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Teri:  Thanks for coming by and injecting your opinions.  It was interesting how everything made a circle in the SW huh?  My husband "Mr I Hate Real Estate" said that summer that we should have taken equity out and purchased in Phoenix.  I wish I would have listened to his RE advise just that once!  I think the sunbelt will prevail after a correction!

Mike:  LOL!

Tony:  ROFL!  You are entirely too funny.  I am in bed now otherwise I might snatch it up!  Hope this finds you and Suzanne well! 

10:18pm • #26
NOV
29
2007
Well Renee, with that said, I must agree with you 100%!  I'm glad that's not the "paranoia" perception any longer.  Cuz I believe the banks are in control of everything.
6:31pm • #27
NOV
30
2007
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Great blog and I love it when people tell me my OPINION is wrong. It is an opinion and it can’t be wrong. These are the same people that will be offended if you tell them they are wrong! If you are stating something as fact, then you can be wrong, but an opinion is just that, an opinion. You can change your opinion, but it still isn’t wrong. Just my opinion, Todd
12:19am • #28
DEC
02
2007
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07
2007
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Renee, I am considering becoming a LMC, Loss Mitigation Consultant. This allows me to intervene when it looks like the homeowner may be getting close to the loss of the home. I would be able to re-qualify the homeowner for either a re-fi or list their property to try and save their equity. The lenders are willing to give 90 days or so before beginning the foreclosure procedures and are willing to forgive any debt from a short sale if the seller works with me. Beyond popular belief, lenders do not want to get the house back! I am hoping to help people in this way. I enjoyed your article. Deb
12:29am • #30
DEC
20
2007
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Deb: Thanks for stopping by and adding your interesting insight! I do believe that lenders DO NOT want the homes to go back to the bank! I do believe that lenders don't want to see the homes go "back to the bank" also.
11:17pm • #31

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