After reading Lenn Harley's California Subprime Borrowers May Get Relief   I found that my comments had turned into a post about our California  foreclosure problem.   We are going to see massive foreclosures in many areas throughout the state.     In a post I wrote yesterday... Help for California Subprime Borrowers... Maybe... Maybe Not .... it may be that the Governor isn't quite telling the truth about his agreement with some of the state's lenders. 

 However even if these lenders are willing to help some borrowers we are still facing major problems in some areas because of poor judgment on the part of all parties... including  borrowers.  Sure some were suckered but many of those in trouble are there because they used their homes to finance a lifestyle they couldn't afford based on fantasy incomes they knew they didn't make. .

 I'm guessing that Bill Nazur who commented on Lenn's post that  the number of subprime loans was about 10%14%  and the balance of foreclosures is more about financial irresponsibility and adjustable loan resets then fraud is probably right.    While RealtyTrac likes to tout that almost everyone in California is in foreclosure it isn't true.  What is true is that there are a lot of people with multiple loans in serious trouble in addition to those who stopped making payments after 8 months and are walking away.  Here is something to think about....the housing problems in California could  be a preview of the future in other areas of the country.

The California housing issues have a number of causes not the least of which is affordable housing.  We need a minimum of 200,000 new units a year but rarely get much over 150,000 so we are negative in the available housing arena.  We are built out in the most desirable areas meaning much of the new housing that is built is a 1.5-2 hour commute from the centers of employment. 

The major areas of subprime foreclosures in CA are in those places where new homes were built and often the financing was provided by an in-house lender.... Riverside, San Bernardino, The Central Valley and Sacramento.  When the cost of gas doubled consumers began to feel the pinch... add in mortgage payments that doubled or tripled along with the normal number of incidents of divorce, job loss, death etc and your have some very real problems.  Suddenly no one can afford their home mortgages or the drive to their jobs. 

Another pocket of foreclosure activity were those where lenders made loans to people who could not afford the payments.  Many of these folks were illegal immigrants or legal immigrants who speak little English and relied upon a member of their ethnic community to help them buy a home.  Sadly there are those who prey upon the less skilled members of a community. 

Finally there were middle to upper middle  income earners who believed that  they were entitled to anything they wanted.. whether they could afford it or not.  Saving for a home was not part of the agenda.  They had no money and lousy credit and they bought the biggest home with the smallest payment they could find.  No one wanted to start small and move up.. they wanted to just move up. 

Cheap money combined with a sense of entitlement helped create the mess we are seeing all over.... this had disaster written all over it.  Add to this mix a bunch of new  REALTORS who didn't know squat but wanted to make big bucks along with their equally uninformed new lenders who also wanted to make big bucks and you have problems. 

Truthfully,  I'm not  sure whether greed or lack of knowledge was the heaviest culprit in the current debacle.. but I do know that the situation must play out to the bitter end.  You can't help most of these people because they will continue to do the same thing over and over.  They have lousy credit for a reason.  They don't have money for a reason.  They make bad choices for a reason.  The  reason isn't the banks or bad agents or a loan that is resetting.  The reason is that many have never had to take responsibility for their financial affairs.  Some will learn and some won't .. that isn't the responsibility of the government. 

We are always going to have higher property values in California because the best parts of the state are built out.  If you want to live close to the cities of San Francisco, Los Angeles or San Diego you will pay a premium for the privilege.  In fact as more and more communities enact NIMBY  laws it's only going to get worse.  Eventually we will reach a point where the middle class can't afford to buy in the better neighborhoods and will either have to be permanent renters or begin to reclaim inner city neighborhoods. 

I suspect that many of the areas hit the hardest by foreclosures will take years to recover. At close to $3.75 a gallon for gas not too many  foreclosures in the Inland Empire or other far flung neighborhoods are going to be high on buyers' lists as places to purchase no matter how low the price.    Meanwhile the neighborhoods that are nearer to places of employment will see some neighborhoods hit by a number of  foreclosures but they will ultimately rebound because of the location. 

Many of the more affluent areas will be hit by foreclosures and short sales  but most will not be in big trouble compared to other parts of the state.  Ed Rybczynski's offering.. A Coin Only Has 2 Sides .. about his sister is right on.  They may have purchased more house then was perhaps  prudent but they can afford it.  Contrary to many pundits there are a lot of people in California who make a lot of money and have good financial resources.

Only time will tell how badly the housing market will be affected in California.  Some areas will certainly be clobbered while others will survive relatively intact although bruised and battered.   To all of you making snide remarks about California.. learn from us or you may well be facing the same problems in the future.

 
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Here is something to think about....the housing problems in California could  be a preview of the future in other areas of the country.

Right on, Kaye.  A blatantly honest appraisal of the mess that exists in California.

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Excellent post Kaye!  As I said in someone else's post, it is interesting to see the happenings in everyone else's back yards.  
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Ed- I really liked your post..Everyone likes to make fun of California but too often what happens in CA doesn't stay here.. it moves on to other places. 

Renee- Your area is a prime example of housing .. housing.. everywhere.. almost to the Stateline last time I drove through.. While you have a lot of employment opportunities you also have a lot of homes in foreclosure and yet the builders are still building.

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Sure it was mostly greed and stupidity and lack of knowledge.. Its not always the case as you know Kaye. I recall this single father who decided to buy a investment home in 2005, and sell it in 2008 so that he could pay for his  two son's college tuition and part of their living expenses as they were living in it.Since then they both have jobs and help with the mortgage.I enjoyed reading your post and you also mentioned these real estate agents who didn't "no squat". In my area many of these didn't renew their licenses in 2006-2007. What a surprise.As for your governor ( easier then spelling his name !) part of his fortune is in real estate.He started investing very early in his career  and he does have a  "true" self serving interest.  

"Many have purchased more house then was prudent" as you say. We can stipulate all we want.Lets see what your Governor comes up with. As far as California being a preview.We are already in my area facing a tremendous jump in short sales, foreclosures and it may take over 2 years to get back on our feet.Lets give your Governor the benefit of the doubt for now as far as sub prime borrowers relief  .The deals are here though.Seriously: many serious, accomplished professionals didn't see it coming.Not to that extent.The investors and buyers may have to come more and more from other countries.First we need a new President.

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Kaye, You said it my friend. I am so sick of trying to stay politically correct and keeping my mouth shut. As you said it, some of these people have bad credit for a reason. Great post and a star well deserved.
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Kaye, hopefully in the mix we can get some regulations enacted in the Lending arena so that home buyers are protected against "a bunch of new  REALTORS who didn't know squat but wanted to make big bucks along with their equally uninformed new lenders who also wanted to make big bucks."  Perhaps we might even be able to stop all of the mortgage lenders from sending junk and phone calls galore to refinance constantly. 

Let's hope we have learned something from all this...

Luckily, you are not in an area heavily hit or hit at all so it should be clear sailing...oh and I do so love Manhattan Beach...not exactly the capital of foreclosure City!!

It's amazing what my initial post has sprung off...certainly caused a bit of an electric storm here in the Rain...spin off after spin off...GREAT!

2:02pm • #6

Good post, Kaye.  I just want to throw in my 2 cents on how our senior citizens are being affected by all of this.  Many of them have refinanced and refinanced their homes.  Stupid, greedy?  Not always.  Most cannot keep up with the cost of living and just don't have enough income to make it.  The sad thing is that many seniors were sold Option Arms that they did not understand.  They made the minimum payment, not realizing that their loan balances were increasing (negative amortization).  By the time they realized that something was amiss, the loans were resetting to the underlying index rate. 

I work with seniors doing reverse mortgages.  I cannot help some of them because their loan balance has gotten too high.  Some of them are the same seniors I had met 2 & 3 years ago who were fearful of the reverse mortgage and afraid they would lose their homes.  What irony....now they are REALLY losing their homes.  It is very, very sad.  Can you imagine an 85 yr.old put out of the home they lived in for 50 years?

We require 3rd party counseling to get into a reverse mortgage.  Too bad that counseling is not required for ALL loans made to seniors.

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Very good Kaye! We have certainly had some very good posts written over the last few days about this very important issue. I too believe we need to let this crisis play out. The sooner we pay for our mistakes the sooner we can get on the road to recovery.
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Kaye, this has been a great weekend of reading.  CA, FL and NV are more unique than the rest of the country because of the combination of factors and the magnitude of speculative buying.  I just pulled stats on this last week and for Montgomery County the distressed homes in the MLS seem to be a small percentage and spread out.  But where they are clustered into neighborhoods, this post would be the exact description of the problems that led to the mess they have there as well.  Demographics, untrained real estate "professionals", over priced and over leveraged homes for the income needed, consumers who were looked upon as prey.

The prices are coming down.  Homes are very slowly selling but for far less than the current sellers want and for far less than they owe the bank.  But here's the pity of it.  I saw a sale that closed very recently with 100% financing and for one of the highest rpices there.  I'm going to watch that one to see if in a year's time, they are right back where they started...

 

 

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I live in a different world and have never understood why peole in California wanted to pay such high prices for homes. I know the incomes are much higher than in the South but not that much higher. There was always a disconnect between incomes and prices. People ended up using subprime to make up for the disparity creating a bubble that was going to burst in time. Things have to settle back to a more normal state. I would think businesses would be moving to other places to adjust for the cost of west coast living. I think its much like the internet bubble that tumbled stocks in 2000.
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Kaye,

Some would truly have to say it was both greed and lack of knowledge of all party...maybe some ignorance too?.....what else can it be:) Hopefully the solution will be sooner than later.

2:56pm • #11
Great post Kaye.  As a former Californian I hate to see this happening to my home state.  But it's happening here in Arizona. I know misery doesn't love company in this case but just know that California is not isolated at all.  It is a bad indication of things to come though.  Typically as California goes so goes the nation.  With a population of close to 40 million people California makes up 1/8 of the populace of the United States.  So if California sneezes the whole nation catches a cold.  Hopefully the decreasing interests rates and the market itself will help stave off the predicted meltdown.  Hang in there Californians.  You've been through this sort of thing before and come out of it fine. 
4:43pm • #12
I think you have made a good assessment of the situation.  Whatever happens in California usually happens in Utah about a year or so later just to a lesser magnitude.
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Lloyd- I will agree that many didn't see the extent of the problem because the Wall street guys weren't exactly upfront about their market practices.  Another ingredient in the mix was that most mainstream lenders set up front companies to handle their subprime business in order to make themselves look better then they were... WAMU,  for one,  is in deep trouble.   This situation is like an avalanche.. once started there is not stopping it.

 

Mana- Nice to know someone else has noticed that many of those in trouble had no business getting a loan in the first place.

Gena- Fortunately we will not see as many of the problems as you do in your area but we are not going to get off lightly.  You can't blame lenders and agents for this mess.. we certainly share some of the blame but truly most borrowers weren't all that dumb.   They knew they had rotten credit. They knew they could barely make the interest only payment. 

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A couple of years ago clients asked me about foreclosures.  We really did not have any then.  I told them wait about 2 years.

We still don't have many in Hawaii, but that is for several reasons.  In many parts of the country, especially California it came I am sorry to say my crystal ball was right on. 

5:45pm • #15
It's easy to trash CA to some people but the smart recognize that so many trends start there. We are 1 country after all.
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Sylvia- Seniors are an entirely different issue.  They are often bamboozled by slick lenders and even their own families.

BB- The sooner we pay for our mistakes the sooner we can get on the road to recovery.  As always you are on target.  The government can't fix the problem because there is no solution except to let things run their course.  bad behavior is bad behavior.. doesn't matter what excuse you use.

Josette- Actually much of  California's problems are not due to speculative buying.  Florida and Nevada are different markets and investors saw low prices as the lure.  Most of California's problems are because of the high home prices and cheap money along with pent up demand after the 90's.   People finally got jobs and were eager to buy.. cheap money and a lack of affordable housing made a bad problem worse. Certainly there were investors  who hoped to make a bundle in the Inland Empire, Sacramento and Central Valley areas but a lot of those in trouble in So Cal were just hoping to buy a home without saving any money.

 

Eric-Welcome to California real estate.  The market is always going up and down.. never a dull moment.  For years our weather was the draw along with access to the Pacific Rim economies.  The Port of LA is still one of the busiest in the world.  We have lost a number of manufacturing jobs and this may or may not impact us in the future depending on what we replace them with.  Things will settle down for a few years and then it will start all over because we simply don't have enough housing and probably never will.

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Neal- You are right it is all three that have contributed to our problems.  Things will right themselves.. they always do.... it's just a matter of time. 

Jerry- You know we have our ups and downs.. You have stated it well...Typically as California goes so goes the nation. This is something many seem to forget.  We have a huge economy and population.. if we were a country we would have the 7th largest economy in the world.. It's easy to make fun of us but  other states need to look closely at our problems as they will soon be yours..

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Kaye, you said, "You can't blame lenders and agents for this mess.. we certainly share some of the blame but truly most borrowers weren't all that dumb.   They knew they had rotten credit. They knew they could barely make the interest only payment," what ever happened to "just saying no, you don't qualify?" To me that reeks of greed.

If I want surgery and the surgeon says no, you don't need it and I continue to go to more surgeons until I find one that agrees and operates...does that make for a good surgeon? I just keep going back to the bottom line which is, "NO, you can't afford this loan."

Hopefully, there will be guidelines in place to make sure that unscrupulous, greedy lenders will learn those simple words...for without a loan, there would be no house, no foreclosure, no problem!

I know I sound like a broken record but it seems quite simple...

6:06pm • #19

Very enlightening post Kaye, I consider it a excellent learning tool.  Being newer to the profession I so enjoy listening to speakers from my local Board of Realtors, articles, books and this site.  I sit back here in my home office daily and read all the wisdom so freely shared by those of you who know so much.  It's overwhelming all that I have to learn.

I thought Michigan was the leader in foreclosures?  In a workshop last summer I learned we lead the nation in Mortgage fraud, how disappointing, but I suppose some state has to be the leader.  I am going to have to go and read Ed Rybczynski's blog, it sounds very interesting.

Ouch!  The glut of new agents who don't know squat!  I have classified myself just that way, but with such a soft market over here in Michigan I have not had the opportunity to learn all I need.  One never learns it all in real estate.  

 WOW, I just read the above response about WAMU.  Holy Moly did they do a number on one of my buyers.  I have commented on the situation but did not name the company.

Let me tell you, they wrote a letter of prequalification for my buyer, assured him the loan, worked with him until a day before closing and what do you know,

"WE AREN'T GOING TO UNDERWRITE THIS LOAN"  My buyer had to go with a local lender, something I REALLY  urged him to do from the beginning, but he would not.  This pending sale which will close next week has been pending since August 16th.  Thanks to WAMU the seller, who is my client (the buyer is a customer) nearly reached through e-mail and choked me.  He called me a liar and said that I had been lying to him from day one.  It was all on WAMU, they dragged their feet every inch of the way.  Ben Surles never returned my calls any earlier than 2 days waiting.  It infuriated me.  If I get another client or buyer who says they are dealing with them I will give them an earful.  Mortgage fraud.  Perhaps it lies in their lap.

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Great post Kaye.

I'm past thinking about how we got here.  I'm considering the future and the cure.

 

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Along with a cure and future you must make sure that you understand how we got here in the first place, make the necessary changes so that it doesn't happen again...couldn't resit pipping in on that one.
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Appreciate your analysis Kaye.  It's very helpful to read what other professionals are experiencing in this crisis in different areas of the country.
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Mark-Thank you.. I know it is true that what happens in CA is not an isolated incident..we just are usually the first to get hit iwht things.. good or bad

Randy- I think there is a law in HI that you can only obtain so many non-owner occupant  loans?  My Mother lives in Hi and over the years she has made a number of first TD loans on non-0wner occupied properties for that reason.

Christina- You are right.. CA is often an easy target but others need to take a closer look at many of the issues we face.

Gena- I know you are very protective of your clients which makes them lucky to have you for an agent.. Certainly there are a number of cases where clients were misled and even lied to.  However I believe that for every client who may have been lied to there were two who knew exactly what they were doing and were betting they would beat the odds.  It's  easy to blame everyone but the borrower...  Those who were credit challenged in the beginning managed to get in trouble without  a real estate agent or  lender's  help.. they did it themselves.

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Vivienne- I believe that you are correct Michigan wins the prize for foreclosures.  They have had serious economic trouble for years ..especially the area around Detroit.  Ed is a very interesting guy.. you will learn a lot from him.. As for WAMU.. they are not alone.. Citifinancial is also in big trouble along with Countrywide and Bank of America.  Can anyone say Great Western?

Lenn- You are wise.. we know how we got here now we have to figure out what to do about it in the future.  Truthfully I think much of the blame lies with Wall Street and the Hedge fund markets.  Maybe it's time for the SEC to take a harder look at these guys and what they do.  We have to be carefull not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.. some of these loans are necessary.. In Vegas most of the work force is involved in the service industry and usually make a lot more money then gets reported.  If you take away stated income loans these buyers are toast and the Vegas market is going to go down the tubes.  However the same loan shouldn't be used for a guy on the auto line in Michigan who has a verified income that won't see a lot of increases.

Gena- One of the changes is that we have to educate buyers.  They need to understand they can't buy a home with lousy credit  and no money down.  They should not listen to anyone who tells them differently.

Lola-As noted above you are having a lot of problems in your area.. I hope all works out for you clients.

8:07pm • #25

Kaye,

I agree with most of your points but I think that by the time a greedy agent gets involved, the damage has already been done by the greedy mortgage company.  I ask every new client if they have been to a lender yet.  If they haven't, I give them a choice of three local lenders from reputable mortgage companies.  I do this because I don't want any surprises at the settlement table, ie: added on fees for my buyer.  I also don't present an offer without getting a pre-approval from the lender.  I am not privy to the questions asked or the answers given in order to get the pre-qual letter.  In fact, I never ask a client about their financial information other than how much they have been preapproved for, how much of a down payment they can afford and what price range we should be searching.  If a buyer has been pre-approved for $250,000, I ask them if that's where they want to search or should we be looking for a lower priced home.   I'm sure there is a very tiny section of the real estate community that is in it just for the money but they don't last long.  They certainly aren't getting referrals.  And, once an agent has shown their true colors in that way, most honest agents try not to do business with them.  I have advised buyers that we should walk away from a house just because of the reputation of the seller's agent.  That's my job - to look after the best interests of my client!

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Good post. Will be interesting to see how this all transpires.
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Kaye,

That tenth paragraph, of this essay, is dead on. 

Here's the problem:  When the have-nots get frustrated, the haves get taxed.  Curently, the property tax structure is heavily weighted towards the "haves".  Throw in the Mello-Roos fees and you'll have a class of people who simply say "I'm not financing some rich guy's retirement" because that, essentially, is what will happen.

I expect a repeal of Prop 13 in the next 5 years.

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Hi Kaye,

I think there is a little blame to go around for everyone. We've also got to remember this is also cyclical, albeit a little different this time with the sub-primes, but property values cannot continue to go up every single year.

Speaking specifically to CA now, I can remember early 2005 when the guys at Chapman College (in Orange Co.) said something very similar, that yes we have lot's of jobs, yet the rise in housing has outpaced income growth in our work force.

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Kaye: So well written, and such a great insight on the subject. Thank you for writing this. I think you were fair and right on.

Brian actually thinks they will repeal Prop 13? WOW. I would love to know how that will come about with all those baby boomers sitting on million + properties and paying taxes like they were $200,000 houses. How, Brian, how????

And Gena: Loan officers were given very aggressive  products to sell by lenders, who then sold those loans to eager buyers on Wall Street. The reason they didn't say "no, you don't qualify" was because under those old guidelines, anyone COULD qualify. The reason buyers lost their heads was because houses were going up so fast, and they didn't want to lose out on that appreciation. We now know those guidelines were ill advised...

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Kaye:  The builders are still building and have lowered prices to create buyer frenzy again. We have seen an uptick in new construction units sold from September to October and with the price points, waiting lists, long builds and recent price increases, I expect those numbers to go up through spring as we watch the closings unfold.  The builders have been pulling low amounts of permits for over a year now and are no longer building in anticipation, they are pretty much building to suit (cookie cutter homes that is!)  Buyers are flocking to them because the prices are lower than resale, REO included!
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Kaye, what an insightful article!  I couldn't agree more.  I am seeing the same things in the Pasadena area.  The affluent areas such as the Ritz Carlton area of Pasadena and San Marino are still going strong and there are plenty of buyers who can afford to buy in here.  The areas such as Highland Park, El Sereno, Alhambra, South San Gabriel and as we had East are begining to suffer.

I also agree with your point about the "poor judgement" used by lenders, realtors AND borrowers.  I have always been amazed by some of the borrowers with no financial common sense insisting to buy homes that they could not afford.  I walked away from plenty since I didn't want to have their financial ruin be on my conscience.  It's not just the lenders that went beserk here, but buyers that refused to listen and some not so scrupulous realtors that just pushed them into deals.

Congrats on a GOLD star!  So well deserved!!!

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Kathy- In the old days I could and did  qualify my clients before they even spoke with a lender.. but with all the new programs I finally had to stop.. however I still find out as much as I can about my client's financial resources. If they are marginal we are not going to look at property that pushes them up no matter what a lender has told them.. I also give them names of reputable lenders and have them speak with at least one of them even if they have a lender and if they are using a relative or friend I make them double app... That said I'm still not so sure that much of the problem is greed based as much as it is due to a lack of knowledge on all parts..

Bob& Carolin.. I think we will all be holding our breath until the smoke clears..

Brian- I think you are partially right.. I don't think Prop 13 will be repealed but I do believe it will get modified. When it was passed no one anticipated property values rising as much as they have.  Actually I don't think Prop 13 is weighted toward the haves as much as it lets a majority of people off the hook for any contribution toward state monetary needs. The problem with Prop 13 is that we use property taxes to fund  most of the state spending.. As values have increased and fewer people are able to afford to buy the funding of state spending is placed on a small percentage of the population. Eventually there will be a loud and outcry by property owners.. both new and old... who say enough.... we are not supporting the entire state.   I think you may see an increase in overall sales tax and a decrease in property tax in order to get a more equitable tax base.

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Lynda- You are right.. what comes up must come down..You and I have been in business long enough to know that CA real estate has a 7-10 year cycle.. up and down.. Even without the subprime chaos the market would have stopped to catch it's breath and prices would have rolled back naturally. 

 In 2006 the process started in an orderly manner when buyers just said no and dropped out of the market.  The process was accelerated by the subprime debacle.  Now the plunge downward may be faster and more chaotic the necessary and will undoubtedly screw up the housing market along with state funding and anything else we can throw in the mix.

Janet- The problem is that all those boomers may be sitting on property worth a lot of money but they don't have a lot of money.  That's why Prop 13 was created in the first place as too many older people were being forced out of their homes because they couldn't pay the increasing property taxes. What we need to do is figure out another base to use for state spending and then force the nitwits in State government to curb their inclination to give money to everyone for anything they want. We can't continue to subsidize a large portion of the population while making a small portion pay the costs of government. 

As for selling notes to Wall Street this is something the SEC may need to take a closer look at in the future.  I suspect there needs to be more regulation on the financial end along with better guidelines from the government regulatory boards.

Renee- WOW.. Haven't heard of a cycle like that in a long time.. It could well be that if builders continue to limit supply that prices will turn upward as soon as inventory falls.

Irina- Thank you for your kind words.. The problem with our market in CA is that it is so uneven.  The media creates a lot of hype about the overall market that isn't true.  Buyers who want to buy in the more affluent neighborhoods are often frustrated because prices are not falling in the manner that many are predicting.  Palmdale is going to be in huge trouble.. San Marino is going to be fine.. this is the picture all over CA.  Most people don't understand that there are more people who can qualify for today's home prices then many believe.

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Kaye I am older (sigh), so I remember decades, and I do mean decades ago, when I realized I missed the boat on my fantasy of living in Berkely. I mean, there was no way I was ever going to be able to afford it, and this is the late 70s!!!!!  California has very complex issues and I hope most resolve well as opposed to badly.
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Carole- You would have loved Berkely.. I started selling real estate in 1979 and I can tell you beach property was pricey then.. it is only in retrospect that it seems so inexpensive.. I too hope we can ultimately resolve this crisis without any more issues popping up
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Kaye, I think that you may be partially right, but some states just haven't seen the increases that California has seen.
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Al-Most states are not having the same problems we are but they may in the future.. Part of our dilemma is the huge influx of illegal immigration and the effect it has on our housing supply.  We have thousands of new people entering CA on a monthly basis they have to live somewhere.  In the next few years this will be a problem that will spread to almost every state.
10:27am • #38
DEC
04
2007

Kaye, You have written an excellent piece. I might add wall street stopped providing seconds on August 1, 2007. B of A and WAMU stopped broker lending 12/1/ 2007 and all stated programs for borrowers under 680 fico can refinance. Oh, I forgot to mention no one is purchasing jumbo loans in the secondary currently. Yes, we are waiting for FHA to raise the limits to 150% of current conforming to qualify all loans over 417,000.

How come no one is discussing that realtors were selling 1 out of every 4 buyers investment properties in the last 30 months that most are in foreclosure? May be cause for 10-20% declines in housing besides billions of free news worthy advice on DON'T BUY REAL ESTATE UNIL THE PRICES COLLASPE. Interesting times, though I will reveal that ten years from now 2017, a basic home in Orange County will be 80% hire then it is today.

I bet you cannot purchase a home on the strand for 417,000 nor will you be able to touch 1,o milllion

Thank you for expressing my thoughts 

Greg Gantman

12:18am • #39
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Greg- You would be correct that you can't buy a Strand home in MB for under $9 milllion at this time and truth is that the last sale was at $10.7 million and I believe it was all cash... sold in a week.. We moved to CA in 1952 and I can guarantee you  can't buy a house today for what you could in 1990 or 1997 or 2000.. the market may slow but it will come back...
7:31pm • #40
DEC
21
2007
I live in the southeast US, and I have a paid-for 2500 sq ft home on an acre.  Probably would sell for around $200,000. here.  Of course I would not sell it, as it is not just a house, it's home!  Then I look on line and see real estate listings in CA for the same price, which look like shacks in ghetto-like areas.  WHY? and why would anyone suffer themselves in all that clogged up traffic?  Are you really that happy there in CA, and are you really making all that much more money?  One's lifestyle is ones own choice, but I just can't understand $250,000. for a run down house out there.
Herb
9:06pm • #41
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Herb- I'm with you.. it does seem a little crazy.. especially when you throw in the traffic.. but then we have a day like today..about 67 .. very warm ...clear skies.. the beach is beautiful  and that's hard to give up.  I've often thought about moving but I will confess I'm a beach girl.. I've always lived by the water.  Is our property worth so much more then yours.. maybe..

I have family in Mississippi.. One of my cousins lives on a lake.. fabulous home.. big yard.. it's so beautiful .. but I wasn't real thrilled when they talked about the water moccassins and how we had to be real careful if we walked to the lake... and how they found one in the kitchen.. I'll take  Manhattan Beach thank you... We don't have bugs or poisonous snakes or other little things that residents often fail to mention..So I guess for me it may just be worth it..

9:16pm • #42

Kaye--

I can see your point in the beach and scenery.  There are pluses to everything------and minuses.  I have been to all parts of CA while I was in the US Army.  Especially Ft Irwin.  I prefer the mountains, and woods.  I like clear lakes and streams.  I fish a lot, and have an RV which I use most of the year except the Dec - Mar timeframe. 

I dont wait in lines well, or have much patience in traffic.  I am what you call a "porch-swing" pilot also, having logged many many many hours in doing that "swanging".  I also drink a mean cup of flavored coffee, and I dont PAY $5.00 for it!!!  I make my own.  I guess I am a cheapo.

Its all in what one wants.  Thanks for your response.

Herb
9:44pm • #43
DEC
22
2007
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Herb- you sound like a cotented man who has found his place.. I grew up in CA and I still love it even with all the traffic and $5.00 Starbucks. I will admit that I do think about going somewhere less hectic in the future.. It's a tough call to make.  I do like the sound of being a porch pilot in a place with lots of water..

 Keep a light burning you never rknow who will show up..Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family..

 

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