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There must have been something about that Thanksgiving Turkey...The past 48 hours have spawned one of the most far reaching discussions that I've ever read on Activerain about the foreclosure crisis in different parts of the country.  The value of this discussion is enormous...both from an educational perspective and the ability for a professional forum to hash out some much needed analysis.  It's also extraordinary to watch Realtors, Lenders & Appraisers add insight...Kudos to Gena Reide, Lenn Harley, Ed Rybczynski, Bryant Tutas, Carole Cohen and others who have added so much Value!  Broker Bryant has compiled a list of related blog posts so far. 

The inital thread was sparked by Gena Reide's reporting

about what the governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger was proposing to deal with the widening crisis in his state.  Apparently, an agreement was made with four lenders which had 25% of their portfolio in sub-prime loans to preclude any re-set at least for a time.  This was when Lenn Harley began asking some questions about the implications of this approach to dealing with the crisis.  This sparked the tinder of wild fires here so quickly that even Active Rain falling down hard could not contain them!

Carole Cohen's Post struck a cord...

As I read through the posts...the article which resonated most with the situation which we face in Michigan was Carole Cohens post about Cleveland, Ohio.  Like Cleveland, West Michigan and Grand Rapids, Michigan in particular did NOT participate in the real estate boom in the same way that many other areas of the nation did. Our appreciation rates were modest...3-5% in most areas through the boom years which saw 100% escalation in equity values in other parts of the country. In fact, I worked with several families who migrated from California over the past 7 years.  They ALL expressed shock by what their dollars could purchase once they got here.

Why Is Michigan Not More Like California...

Normally, this should have created a windfall.  Great prices, attractive inventory.  But there was another issue that started to slowly drain away any potential gains.  Michigan began to loose jobs.  At first, we all thought it was temporary.  Just a bad set of announcements timed ironically just before Christmas.  It started in the late 1990's and year after year, thousands of lay-offs were announced.  New business was not coming into the state at nearly the rate of loss. 

Our governor took to travelling abroad and around the country to convince companies to stay in Michigan.  At one point, city officials from one small west Michigan community pulled out all stops to prevent Electrolux, a major employer from leaving.  Pfizer pulled out of Ann Arbor leaving a gaping hole where major research facilities had existed.  Then Comerica Bank which had been in Michigan for 150 years decided to pull out its' headquarters and move to Dallas this March. It's been rough.  Jobs continue to leave...And not just the lower echelon.  This hit to the job sector was felt deeply within the managerial ranks...engineers, mid-level managers...even schools were putting hiring freezes in place.

We Can Give You the Answer...with or without the Turkey...

But those of us who live in Michigan know all that.  We watched the State plummet to 50th place from the top third tier in a number of significant economic indicators. Severe corrections were forestalled by the entry of increasingly aggressive options for financing.  Ten years ago, a FHA mortgage with 3% down was standard.  But as the nation flirted with innovative financing, Michigan added this layer to its economic woes.

Trousers

 Here the story diverges. There are two Michigans... 

and they don't wear the same size of pants.  Although the entire state has suffered significantly, the West Side of the State has weathered the storm so far, much better than the east side of the state. According to an article published by Lisa Lyons of the Grand Rapids Association of Realtors, Michigan has ranked within the top tier of 5 States for foreclosures with 14,000 homes going into foreclosure in August 2007 alone!  However, what is hidden in those numbers is that less than 700 of that total was from West Michigan

Currently, approximately 1 in 10 homes FOR SALE on our local Board in Grand Rapids, Michigan is in a short sale or foreclosure situation. This is a dramatic increase in the dollar volume of Total Sales since the beginning of the year... from 8.77% of our dollar percentage of sales to 24.83% in November so far.  But, this number pales compared to what is transpiring in metro Detroit where one report indicates that  1 in every 80 homes in the area is in some stage of the foreclosure process.

So, we have 2 different situations within the same state.  The economy of the West Side is more diversified and has been more resilient in this crisis.  The East side of the State was heavily affected by the misfortunes of the top 3 automobile manufacturers. The major corporations who have moved out have also had a disproportionate effect on the east side of the state. In addition, predatory lending was rife in Detroit communities. Earlier this year, the FBI made several trips to the state to educate local lenders and real estate agents across the state about the situation. Detroit, Michigan was ranked at the top for Mortgage Fraud.

Unique Factors Create Unique Issues... 

So while Michigan was affected by the problems faced by the nation as a whole, there were other factors which created unique issues.  The State lost so many people who had to move out for lack of jobs that if there had not been substantial immigration, the situation would have been much more dire according to a report by the United Way.  This, in addition to losses across the manufacturing sector took a real toll. 

The federal government has not come to the aid of our state with special funding.  Nor did our governor negotiate a special deal with mortgage companies.  Over the past several years, we've been digging out of this hole, step by step.  Those who stayed are going back to school to get more education or are starting their own businesses.  A lot of people have taken on 2 or 3 jobs.  And people are selling their homes or renting. We've noted that mortgage companies in some cases have become tougher to deal with...often pursuing judgements rather the writing off loans that are in default.

Which is Why We Benefit Most from Uniquely Local Solutions....

Michigan is a prime example of why it would not be wise to institute federal law regarding the foreclosure crisis.  The foreclosure crisis, like most things real estate related is LOCAL.  Different communities and areas have different reasons for the way in which this crisis is impacting them. The solution in California is geared to assist homeowners who are living in their homes.  But what sort of qualifiers will be in place particularly if the crux of the problem is that homes were bought for speculation and investment?  Will borrowers have to prove the integrity of their purchase to qualify for assistance? 

Most of the mess in the state of Michigan was NOT a result of investors flooding the market and hoping for a quick flip. Most of the people who are loosing their homes are loosing them because they have lost their jobs and can no longer afford them.  Many of these people have been fighting a loosing battle for several years...draining saving accounts and working whatever jobs they can to stay afloat.  It has simply become too much.

When the Pant Legs are Two Sizes...

Simply concocting a one size fits all solution will over shadow the necessity of examination to reveal the systemic flaws which caused chaos in the real estate market. Unravelling the crisis in Michigan will require an economic overhaul and a comprehensive approach to finding ways in which the state can compete in the global economy.

Unfortunately, the bundling of mortgage securities makes the examination of the true issues very challenging.  This may prove to be too time consuming an analysis...one which will not play well for quick sound bites within a campaign commercial. My concerns it that the solution may become so intricately locked up in the bureaucracy of examination that the lesser of two evils may be to do Anything...even if the Result is not the best thing.  

In a somewhat related aside...the following post was unearthed about another segment of society which is being impacted by the foreclosure crisis...Pets are victims of foreclosure crisis too.

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27 Comments on When the Pant Legs Are Two Different Sizes...Why A One Size Fits All Solution Won't Work!

NOV
24
2007
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The contributions to this discussion from the posts mentioned above made for great reading earlier tonight. Thank You. Unfortunately, I will be away from my computer so I will respond to any comments to this post at a later time.  Not that much can be added to the excellent insights provided so far....:)

10:55pm • #1
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Good Blog.  Thanks for bringing a few of these other blogs to my attention. I have been busy with family that I have not had time to read a/r this week.
11:06pm • #2
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Lola,

Here in Ohio there are the three "C"s that get the most attention.  Two of those three are fairing quite well in all this mess with Cleveland being the hardest hit.

In Toledo (the NW Ohio corridor in general) we have taken a serious hit but not solely because of poor lending practices.  We have had industry close up and move away taking jobs and money with them.  The ripple effect is devastating.  

This was in the Greene County Dailies today:

An Ohio Foreclosure Prevention Task Force, with mortgage industry representation, concluded a five-month study in September. The panel submitted a set of recommendations that called on each principal in this deepening crisis, from lenders and borrowers to state and local policymakers, to take responsibility for specific and concrete actions that would reduce the impact on families and neighborhoods.

Gov. Ted Strickland responded promptly. The lenders and loan service companies he invited to join in a voluntary partnership balked, asking instead for more discussions.

 

If you're interested, you can read the rest of the article here. This whole mess is no less important in any one area, it just proves that we are all feeling the impact - but possibly for different reasons.

11:10pm • #3
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Lola,

I found your comment about the loss of jobs in 1990 interesting. We actually had a major loss of jobs (ours was aerospace related) about the same time in CA, which back then impacted our r.e. market. The early 90's we actually had more people leave CA than arrived, our population decreased, further adding to our decline in values.

Although our decline now is different with the sub-primes for example, it's still cyclical.

11:24pm • #4
NOV
25
2007
Thanks for "bottom lining" this, Lola.  Great post, as usual. 
4:37am • #5
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Lola, as I was reading other articles the last few days I kept hearing "Michigan is different!" popping into my head.  This morning I read your article and I'm surprised I didn't wake you with my cheering and shouting "finally!".  Thank you thank you thank you for pointing out so eloquently that what we are seeing here in Michigan and why we are experiencing it cannot be compared to what is going on in other areas of the country.  I hope you don't mind, but I wrote an article this morning citing yours and explaining what I have seen happening that is typical with families in Metro Detroit. 

 

5:21am • #6
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Lola, this is exactly the spin I took away from the conference I met you at. There are two pant legs in Michigan. Ann Arbor was an exception to the rule until Pfizer left. It is all about jobs and that is what caused our dilema here. The major of Detroit is hosting a mayors summit and Toledo is coming to try to deal with this crisis over here.

You are correct the western part of the state didn't have the sky rocking prices and so they were not as in shock when prices came down.

It is sad our much our state has slipped in national rankings.

6:40am • #7
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Wonderful insight Lola.  You know your market. 

Job loss was not the cause of our rapid price escalation.  We have had job gains over the years, although wages haven't kept up with the extraordinary rise in home prices. 

Our problem was, is and will be for some time, homes priced out of the reach of the average home buyer. 

When the AVERAGE home buyers can't buy, you have no real estate market, merely some sales. 

I flagged this for features, although the AR guys have been "on top" of our series very nicely.

6:45am • #8
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Lola, thanks for taking the time writing this and for clarification on your market.  You know that I enjoy hearing you report what is going on in Michigan, as well as Kris Wales.  I am adding both of you to my resource list.

As someone pointed out in BB's blog, we need to report what is going on in the most honest way.  Mostly to restore buyer confidence! 

8:46am • #9
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Another great, informative blog! Thanks! I love reading your posts!
9:46am • #10
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Lola- this post and the others that address this issue have been my source of information recently. Oregon typically relies on the sellers in California to relocate and utilize the money from that sale to purchase homes. As the market has been shaken in California, it has trickled into Oregon. Great reading - I am bookmarking this post, as well as the others you mentioned in order to stay on top of this.
11:48am • #11
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Lola, good information especially about the descrepancy between east & west sides of the State.  Hopefully the problem will be contained to metro Detroit.
4:00pm • #12
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Lola, The whole country is suffering from jobs loss. Michigan didn't lose jobs to California or Texas, Michigan lost jobs to Mexico and China. We're all losing jobs to Mexico and China. What you are feeling now, we will feel soon. Recession is coming. The Democrats are coming. Don't look for things to get better any time soon.

Actually we don't have a mortgage crisis at all, we have a money crisis. If The Fed didn't think we had a money crisis they would not have escalated the rate increases like they did. Even with another quarter point drop in December we will still have a liquity crisis. Everybody is pointing at each other saying "it's your fault." No it's not. It's Greenspan's fault. He dropped rates to zero. All the bad things followed.

Bill Roberts

5:53pm • #13
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Lola- I totally believe that getting the government to bail out the mortgage crisis is not the answer. Let it ride its course. 

Bill- Let's not focus on dems coming, let's work on supporting the opposition to keep dems out. Katerina 

9:07pm • #14
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26
2007
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Hi Carol, Thanks for your comment.  Like much of the midwest, the situation in Ohio has been impacted by the loss of industry...jobs.  These aren't coming back anytime soon, so the approach to constructing a solution to the crisis has to be more comprehensive.
2:16pm • #15
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Hi Lynda, Thanks for your comment.  Michigan has sustained economic losses due to a variety of industries in the manufacturing sectre.  It has been broader than just the automobile industry although that factor has been huge and has had a ripple effect.  Other areas in the country have gone through this and have eventually bounced back.  We will too, it's just taking a little longer. :)
3:37pm • #16
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Karen, Thanks for stopping by to read and comment.  You & I are living through this reality. :)
3:38pm • #17
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Kris, I read your excellent article.  It was great the way you "humanized" the crisis.  This is affecting real people in extraordinary numbers and an extraordinary fashion.  As real estate agents, we're not taking a "birds eye view", we're in the trenches with folks.
3:40pm • #18
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Hi Missy, Thanks for your comment.  I'm glad that city officials are talking to each other.  This issue is going to take all of us working together.  Michigan is a wonderful state.  I truly wouldn't want to live anywhere else.  It's been hard to see our state take a hit...but, I am optimistic.
3:43pm • #19
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Renee, Thanks.  I've learned a lot from reading your posts about what is happening in Vegas.  Learning from professionals across the country has given me a much richer perspective and enhanced my understanding.  I am a better real estate agent as a result.

3:45pm • #20
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Bill & Barbara Jo, Thank you very much.  I always appreciate your visits. :)

Hi Gary, Thanks for your comment.  What happens in Detroit affects all of Michigan.  That's why it is so important to address the problems intelligently.

3:48pm • #21
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Alecia, Thanks.  The other posts are excellent sources and give a good perspective of what is happening around the country.  This has been one of the best discussions I've seen on Activerain.  As industry specialists, we see this on a daily basis and deal with the aftermath professionally all the time.
3:50pm • #22
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Interesting perspective Bill.  You're right that the loss of jobs has impacted other states, but according to statistics and census data, Michigan was affected much more severely than most other states during the last 7-8 years.  Your point about a liquidity crisis regarding the money supply is correct.  But from the consumer's perspective, it is a mortgage crisis in the sense that lending standards are tightened and/or credit is not extended at all.
3:57pm • #23
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Hi Lenn, Thanks for stopping by to read and recommend. :)  Your excellent series of questions started this & it has been great to participate in the discussion which has emerged.  This is one way in which a network like Activerain can truly add Value to fellow professionals and the public.  There are not a whole lot of forums in which a discussion like this can take place across the nation and across specialities.

This statement of yours sums things up: When the AVERAGE home buyers can't buy, you have no real estate market, merely some sales.  No matter WHY this occurs, the result is the same.

4:11pm • #24
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Hi Katerina, Thanks for your comment.  I think there is a role for everyone...individuals, business, the community and the government.  It's a matter of understanding how each piece of the solution needs to be "properly fitted" together. 
4:13pm • #25
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Lola, excellent commentary on Michigan.  The problems seem so intractable because of the fundamental job loss issues.  It certainly does confirm that all real estate is local.  Broad sweeping policies will simply exacerbate the problems. 

You couldn't have said it better... we are all better Realtors for discussions like this.  And it's exactly what I thought ActiveRain was when I joined and I hope is what it will become.  Broad ranging discussions from all perspectives on a concentrated topic.  Powerful.

4:29pm • #26
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It's very powerful Josette,  Thanks for stopping by to read and comment.  One of the higher potentials for a network like this is to have professionals from different areas of the industry in different states giving their perspective. I really appreciated this discussion as well.
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