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Security Bars - from the appraiser's view point.

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Real Estate Appraiser with Appraisal Pros in Texas

It seems each year during the holidays we hear some tragic story about home fires caused by Christmas trees or some other cause.  I was saying a small prayer that this year would be different.  It started me to think about the number of houses I appraise that have unsafe security bars.

Those are the security bars on bedroom windows that have no quick releases or quick releases that are rusty and do not work properly.  Sadly, I see this often and I wish I would not. 

If there are no quick releases on bedroom windows I tell the borrower that they must have quick releases as required by law in California.  If they have quick releases I make sure they work and are not rusted shut...this i do for my own piece of mind. 

As an appraiser, I must report the lack of quick releases and usually do before I even start the appraisal...but before I do that I talk to the borrower about how unsafe this situation is. I especially try to make an impression when I see small children in the home.  I don't mind painting a graphic mental picture of what would happen if the fire department could not get to people in those bedrooms because of the window bars.   I try very hard to carefully scare them into removing the bars or changing them out to bars with quick releases. 

Please understand, I try to handle this gently as it is never my intention to upset a borrower or heaven forbid, loose a deal for someone BUT I also want to make it clear that the safety of someone's family is the most important thing above all else.  I also explain that it might affect their ability to refinance their home because I have not heard of any lender that will lend on a property until the situation is corrected and compliant with the law.

On a side note:  Loan agents, I ask you, do you ask your prospective borrowers about security bars before sending your appraiser out there?  While I do not know if the laws are the same for every state, I have to assume most if not all states must have something similar to California, if so....you should try to handle this issue before sending your appraiser out there.

Kay Perry
Kay Perry, Broker - College Station, TX
I am fortunate to live in an area that does not have these.  I've seen a few and they do not look safe for the home owner, as you pointed out.
Nov 25, 2007 06:27 AM
Sara Goodwin
Estimation Nation Corporation - Portland, OR
Portland, Oregon Appraiser

My neighborhood used to have security barred windows and doors all over the place... as if it was an epidemic but not all that necessary (sort of like vinyl siding or chain link fences). 

I must say that I kept our security doors up to give the dogs a nice breeze whether we were home or not, but the windows really make a place feel (and act) like a jail from both inside and out. I wish there were more affordable options out there, but at least the states are stepping up and realizing the dangers.

Nov 26, 2007 07:28 AM
Michael J. O'Connor
Diamond Ridge Realty - Corona, CA
Eastvale - 951-847-4883

I've often wondered why this issue doesn't seem to be covered by a disclosure such as those required for water heater strapping and smoke detectors.  Quick-release mechanisms are just as important because even if the smoke detector works it doesn't make a bit of difference if the exit is blocked.  Our current standard California Association of Realtor forms don't mention this issue anywhere - including in the new agent's visual disclosure form.  Hopefully they'll rethink this when they update some of these forms.  I think it would make lots of sense to have a section where the agent is required to 'check-the-box' so show that they inspected the water heater, smoke detectors and quick-release mechanisms.

Nov 26, 2007 04:00 PM
Alisa McKeel Willson
Appraisal Pros in Texas - Huntsville, TX
Certified Res. Appraiser

Kay and Sara, you are right about the appearance on both counts.  They don't look safe and they do look like jail bars..smile..I can only imagine that the people living inside homes with them have a false sense of security.

Michael, good point! I do think it would be a great idea to include it on realtor forms.  You can't have too many people watching for this situation.

Nov 26, 2007 06:45 PM
Jeremy Cowin
Jeremy Cowin Appraisals - Altadena, CA

I have been asked by lenders NOT to mention either way if there are security bars or not just so they can close a loan!  Even when they are clearly seen in the photos!  But I agree, they can be a safety concern and it seems that lenders should be diligent in prescreening a house so that there is less "issues" that arise upon an appraisers inpsection and disclosures!

 

 

Nov 27, 2007 12:59 PM
Alisa McKeel Willson
Appraisal Pros in Texas - Huntsville, TX
Certified Res. Appraiser

Jeremy, I have been asked the same thing and I am always amazed when it happens.  Imagine the liability.  Yes, prescreening would be a wonderous thing! 

 

 

Nov 27, 2007 02:00 PM
John Fariss
Fariss Appraisal Services - Bakersfield, CA
Appraiser - Bakersfield, CA

Wow! I haven't been asked to do anything like that, but I'm sure there will be such a day.

 I always indicate if there are bars on windows and if there are releases or an alternative exit. I just had one where there were bars on a den window and a slider. My photo of the rear didn't show the door clearly, so the lender asked me to go back out to take a picture of the door. I'm glad I have clients that are not trying to overlook such possible dangers.

Nov 28, 2007 05:23 AM
Alisa McKeel Willson
Appraisal Pros in Texas - Huntsville, TX
Certified Res. Appraiser
John, good point about making sure the door shows in the photo.  In my reports I include  pictures of the quick release from the inside and the outside. 
Nov 28, 2007 07:03 AM
David Hintz
Accurate Appraisals & Consulting of AZ - Maricopa, AZ
AZAppraiser

There are lots of properties in my area with security bars.  Mostly older homes in areas with potentially higher crime rates.  I always include individual pictures in my reports of each security bar setup located on all sides of the structure.    I also  ALWAYS  mention security bars and condition in reports.  It's called  Disclosure.   I addressed that issue not too long ago  Disclosures May Hurt a Deal - Non-Disclosures Will Get You Sued!  Alisa is right about potential liability.

I also explain to the borrower or property owner that the lender will most likely require the bars be removed if they do not have quick releases before the deal can close, and I will have to do a final inspection for the lender when they have been removed.

 

Nov 28, 2007 09:02 AM
John Fariss
Fariss Appraisal Services - Bakersfield, CA
Appraiser - Bakersfield, CA
Sometimes, I just pop the bars open and take a picture or the whole room or from outside. That pretty much explains everything.
Nov 29, 2007 04:51 AM
Denise Allen
Resh Realty Group - Chesapeake, VA
Realtor@ Chesapeake, Hampton Roads
We don't have many security bars in our area thank goodness and I don't know what the law is pertaining to them.  I will put this in my memory bank for future reference.
Dec 05, 2007 04:29 AM