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85 Comments on I'll Tell You What's Wrong With That Flipped House Without Even Looking At It
Wow...very interesting! Seems like something people would definitely like to know when buyin these "shiny, new, flipped houses! Great post!
What always amazes me are the flipped houses where the corners of trim or counters don't meet properly. If what they're showing us isn't good, I can only imagine what they're NOT showing us, what's behind the walls. I caution my clients about these every time.
Great post. Especially liked the coffe can lid siding, thought it was very creative. There are a lot of creative folks - artists - living in my area and there have been many jokes about what can be found in homes (like curtain rods put up with paperclips). I did not realise drains had the problems you said, usually the flipped places state new this/that, new plumbing . . . One more thing to be on the lookout for.
And, let's not forget the flippers who get in over their little ol' heads. Have seen some seriously aweful reconfigurations begun in houses foreclosing yet again. One guy even poured a partial concrete slab over a rotting wood floor so he could install a new boiler and water heater. Sigh. And a thin slab, to boot! And the electric in the place was a mess and a hodge podge.
Thanks for the great photos and information.
Thank you Thank You Thank you, for posting stuff like this up.
Most of what you posted is common sense for anyone whom has restored or done work on their own home, but how many Realtor have done this, Not many, SO ITS GREAT that you posted this.
One silly trick I do when looking at a flippers house is to pull on the hand railings, you would be surprised how many times they come right out.
I am very glad that you are sharing this with everyone.
Michael
Great blog with great pictures! If you have been in the business more than 6 months, you have seen at least 1 of these homes. I do my best to steer 1st time buyers away from one of these!
There's a bank owned home in my neighborhood that the bank decided to 'fix up'. It was in very bad shape, severe structural issues, septic and roofing issues. So they replaced some doors, put in a new kitchen, flooring and paint and marked up the price. Looks good...but they never addressed the major issues. Buyer beware! As is homes can be scary!
99% of the time I can detect a home that has been flipped. The profit margin is so low today that most are cutting every penny they can and it is reflected in the work. Very few home are done correctly.
Always great posts! I usually find more concerns with home handy men than flipper but maybe that's because there are more of them.
You can usually see the quality of someones work as soon as you open the door.
I have Sellers do a home inspection up front before I list their homes so I avoid these issues as surprises later.
This is helpful information! There are a lot of fixed up flipped homes in Flagstaff, and I didn't know that so many had so many leaks and other issues. This was very informative!
Reuben - I have three words for a buyer... inspect, inspect, inspect!
Some people do a great job with flips and really have integrity but, it is the buyer's responsibility to do their homework!
Hi James, I can walk into a flipped house and almost "smell it"! It is so obvious and then you wonder what they covered up!
I've been looking to purchase a flipped multi-family building for a few months now and found this to be a very helpful starting point for evaluating them!
While i am appauled that all rehab companies have been bunched/lumped into this article, this problem, thought and attitude towards those of us that flip houses is what made me form our business, it's business model and the principles that guide us through our day to day business and the goals we pursue.
The Dry Moon Group Inc., rehabs single and multi-family properties and would dare anyone to compare our properties to anyone or any other company anywhere. Our company leaves no stone unturned and leave nothing to chance when we rehab a property absolutely every detail regardless of importance or size has been given the attention it needs and deserves period. We treat every property the same whether it is a 50K or a million dollar property it doesn't matter it get's first class treatment! And we give a 100% guarantee on every home we sell and its not one that is sold it is our own if it breaks within 3 years of buying your home from us we fix it at our expense even the windows throw a rock through it not a problem our window company will fix it at their cost that's The Dry Moon Groups way!
I have been in the construction business for 34yrs (actually all of my life and not to tell my age but i am 50yrs old and one of the best carpenters in the business) and have met many people in my time that really does care when they remodel a house for resale. I encourage you to think of those of us that do put quality into every house to work on because we know and want our houses to become homes where people raise families have thanksgivings and christmas and everything in between for many years and can say i bought this house from The Dry Moon Group Inc, with pride.
My last thought i am tired of hearing its the American way. The American way to is to make a living and offer products second to none. And making a fair living isn't just American it's called being human and having needs, wants and dreams that is not American it's all people it is one thing we all have in common. I gave six years of my life and time to the USA it is called the Army so the American way can be pursued so if there is something wrong with that then each of us can look in our own mirror and see the American way!
Jeffrey Sampson
President
The Dry Moon Group Inc
Thanks for all responses!
Donald (#61) - I think the reason some people get a little pickier when it comes to flippers is that there is often the impression that the house was completely rehabbed, so defects that are found are often more surpising than those found in traditional owner-occupant homes.
There is no question that I found a lot more goofy DIY repairs / improvements than on flipped houses, but those are never as surpising to buyers.
Brenda & Ron (#67) - how frustrating. It's stories exactly like yours that make home flippers want to take shortcuts.
Michael (#71) - you're not kidding about the handrails.
Jeff (#83) - I didn't lump all flippers (or 'rehab companies') in to this category; please read the conclusion. I applaud companies that do high quality work, and I make a point of letting my clients know about good workmanship when I see it.
It sounds like you take pride in your work, and I'm glad to hear it.
Reuben. You write the best posts so I will leave it up to you to pen another one. Just insert "Freddie Mac" & "Fannie Mae" in place of "flip", "flipped, & "flippers"
Hank - ha! Great idea :)
Good post. Anyone that will not pay for a home inspection is crazy.
I'm a rehabber, and unfortunately I have to combat these preconceived notions people have about "flipped" houses (as if it's a dirty word) thanks to many other flippers who do a poor job like you described. The biggest problems inexperience flippers make is paying too much for the house. It's hard to find good deals, and rather than go the extra effort in their marketing to find deals that really make financial sense, they just take the first foreclosure that comes along. Because they didn't buy right, the deal starts out too skinny, so they have to cut corners in order to save their miniscule profit. And then to make matters worse, after they renovate it poorly, they also price it based on how much they want to make, not what it's worth...which is unbelievably ignorant. And so, the house often sits on the market for months while their tiny profit turns into a loss as they pay holding costs. It's not a business for the flippant (pun intended), and can lead to huge losses if you don't know what you're doing.