Special offer

Dual Agency Life in the Fast Lane

By
Real Estate Agent with Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty
Dual Agency Life in the Fast Lane...whoa...gotta slow down a bit.

Understanding what Disclosed Dual Agency is and is not is crucial in today's ever changing real estate market.

In a previous blog I talked about Reasonable Care one of the Fiduciary Duties a REALTOR® owes to their clients.  I explained that the easiest way for me to memorize the fiduciary duties I owe my clients is this way...OLD CAR.

 
                                  O...Obedience

                                   L...Loyalty

                                   D...Disclosure,full

                                   C...Confidentiality

                                   A...Accounting

                                   R...Reasonable Care and Diligence 

I also learned to memorize what is compromised or limited in a dual agency situation, remember that Dual Agency is legal in many states including New Hampshire, I know it may not be so in your state but up here it is. 

In fact in New Hampshire rather than joining the states that have banned or made the practice of disclosed dual agency illegal, N.H., has recently taken on changes that once approved would in fact make dual agency much easier to practice...much more in line with common practice. 

Good -Bad or Indifferent...Disclosed Dual Agency, I think... is here to stay at least in New Hampshire.  Which is why a good solid understanding of Dual Agency is a must both for the consumer and the real estate agent.

So lets look at it this way and hopefully this help you understand or be able to better explain it to your clients.

What is compromised or limited in Disclosed Dual Agency is the OLD part of old-car...Obedience, Loyalty and Disclosure.

O...Obedience, Lawful Obedience You can't be 100% obedient an example would be that The Sellers instruct you to negotiate the highest price possible and the Buyers also instruct you to negotiate the lowest price. This is clearly conflicting instructions of which you can not obey.

L...Loyalty You can't be 100% loyal as you now have two clients and you can not do anything to or for one that would put the other client at a disadvantage...imagine yourself walking a Razor Sharp Tight Rope as NAR's legal council Laurie Janik once put it...one wrong move and you fall off. Or better yet imagine having 2 children both who you love equally and must protect equally even if one needs your protection more than the other...you can not advocate for the weakest child more so than the strongest one. Equal Care no matter what...this can be extremely difficult to do.

D...Disclosure,full This One is very hard...the best example I've ever heard is...You list a home, your sellers are your friends, you've known them a long time. They fall on hard times..job loss, illness and may lose the house and have not a penny to spare.

You have been working with buyers who are clients, you like them very much and they have become good friends.

Suddenly the buyers financial situation changes and they can increase the price limits and now want to look at your listing.

After getting informed consent from all parties you put the transaction together as a dual agent...all is fine till the home inspection.  You attend it and can't help but hear the inspector point out several items needing repair and you clearly hear the buyers say things like "No problem, I can fix that" or "No problem my brother is a contractor and he can fix that...I can get that done at cost" and "I'm handy that's a piece of cake for me to fix" all in all a pretty good inspection and later when the sellers ask how it went..you tell them only that it seemed to go well, but until the report comes back and the buyers sign off you really don't know.

Then the Buyers bring you THE LIST, the demands for repair or price adjustments to the tune of $25,000...your sellers cry when hearing this..they are devastated and need your guidance ...and you know that your buyers really don't need 25k and can do the repairs themselves for a lot less money than they are asking for...  Suddenly the words Obedience, Loyalty, Disclosure and Confidentiality take on a whole new meaning!

Not only for the agent but for the consumer as well. 

Remember...The CAR part of Old-car...remains unchanged in a dual agency situation.

C...Confidentiality...You still owe 100% Confidentiality 

A...Accounting...You still have to account for all funds and for the property

R...Reasonable Care and Diligence...You still have the obligation of protecting the client and that includes making sure they understand the limitations of the dual agency situation.

 Dual Agency is not easy and is not at all pretty. When you really think about it, it is most assuredly the hardest form of agency to practice and one full of hidden traps and with the most liability to the agent...a recent NH case resulted in a judgment in excess of $120,000...OUCH!!!

Dual Agency can be practiced successfully but only with Full Informed Disclosure and Consent in writing given by competent buyers and sellers and most importantly COMPETENT agents.

 

 

Jay and Monika McGillicuddy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Monika McGillicuddy

Serving Southern New Hampshire and Rockingham County

Monika McGillicuddy Real Estate Training Website

NH Real Estate Blogs

Prudential Verani Realty

Hampstead NH Real Estate

603-548-7728

 

Posted by

Jay and Monika McGillicuddy, Southern NH and the Seacoast area real estate specialists.

Jay and Monika McGillicuddy, covering southern NH and the Seacoast area. If you’re thinking of selling or buying a southern NH or Seacoast area home give us a call…we’d love to help make your home ownership dreams come true.

E-mail Jay and Monika or call or text at 603-548-7728

Jay and Monika McGillicuddy, NH REALTORS

Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty

603-944-9172 direct line

603-434-2377 office

 

Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area

Jeff...Many times buyer have told they never signed a agency disclosure before sometimes they're telling the truth and sometimes they're not. I don't doubt that some agents don't really do a good job explaining what it really means. I usually use my example that I stated up in the blog about the home inspection...and trust me when I use that example it usually initiates a TON of conversation...how can it not? It would make anyone think twice...as they should.

 

Suzanne...We have both single and two agent (same company) DDA  and do single agent DD often.

Thanks for your comments and Happy Holidays. 

 

 

Dec 24, 2006 06:19 AM
Tricia Jumonville
Bradfield Properties - Georgetown, TX
Texas REALTOR , Agent With Horse Sense

Jeff, Monika, I've had customers who've clearly not had agency in Texas explained to them.  However, in my past life as a legal assistant, I've also known people to sign things after they were explained to them when they really didn't have a clue what they'd been told but didn't want to say so (which we found out later - they seemed to understand at the time).  And I've also had things explained to me by one person that didn't make sense but, when someone else put it another way, suddenly the lightbulb lit up. 

In your example, Jeff, since the woman said, ". . . it wasn't explained to me this way (emphasis mine)", I'm guessing that it might have been the latter situation.  It was explained, perhaps by someone who's not good at conveying confusing information, or perhaps simply in a way that wasn't easily comprehended by the woman, and your explanation was much clearer to her. 

Dec 24, 2006 07:19 AM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Jeff, I understand my responsibilities all to well, that is one thing that the Mortgage Company I work for made very clear from day one.  But that responsibility is different then the one I have to my Borrower. In representing my employer I am a direct extension of them in dealing with the Borrower, as a result any information the Borrower shares with me whether verbally or in writing belongs to my employer.  All of the paperwork has the Mortgage Companies name on it, and what they are agreeing to, is between them and the Mortgage Company not me. Also all the loans close in the name of the Mortgage Company.  On the same note what ever private information that my Borrower shares with me does not go any further then between them, me my employer.  Both myself and the Mortgage Company I work for have a responsibility to our Borrowers to be honest and upfront with them, and to keep their information confidential.  That is what my employer expects of me and I follow it.  The conflict would come if I started to share their personal information with the Sellers or their Realtor without their permission.

I think that the example that Andrew used above in the relationship to a doctor and attorney have with their clients is very good, but I would even go further.  Is a doctor or attorney relieved of their fiduciary responsibility to their clients if they work for a hospital or a law firm? Of course not.  Are the fiduciary responsibilities different? Yes they are.  Can both fiduciary responsibilities exist at the same time without conflict with each other?  I certainly hope so, or we are in big trouble.

The same thing can be said of a Realtor who works for Realty Company in a single agency situation.  Do they have a fiduciary responsibility to both? Again yes.

Dec 24, 2006 08:08 AM
Andrew Hodge
Right At Home Realty Inc. - Richmond Hill, ON

Bryant- If you use that definition you could not list two similar homes in similar areas that would compete for the same type of buyer because each of your clients needs are diametrically opposed.  Both clients want to sell first for the highest price and they are competing for the same buyers.  With your definition we would have to disclose to all of our seller clients when ever we wanted to list another property and get their permission to list a home that could compete for the same buyers.  We would also have to inform all of our buyer clients if we found a new buyer prospect that was looking for a home with criteria that over laps any other clients search criteria as they would be looking at similar homes and we can only call one at a time.  Which one are you going to call first?  Which ever one you choose you are neglecting your fiduciary duty to the others as the first one has the advantage of time to set up a showing and book your time.

Even if your buyer clients are not looking for the same type of home, you can only show one group of client homes at a time, unless you are showing them all the same Which client are you going to say is going to have to wait until you are free?  After all if they say they want to see a home at 2:00 a non limited fiduciary relationship would have us dropping whatever we are doing, no mater how important to us or another client, in order to show them that home.

Dual Agency is not that difficult it just takes a basic understanding of the process and a strong set of principles that allow the agent to actually do what is best for all clients within the limitations that one person working for many has.  It is generally understood that showings are done on a first come first serve basis and that we all work for many clients for a variety of purposes.  Keeping their personal information safe is the paramount duty and to think that all duties are equal is to open every industry, which has "clients" instead of customers, up to excessive volumes of court actions.  After all if you went to your lawyers office unannounced and they were with a client do you really think that they would put everything on hold until they had addressed your needs, just because you wanted it that way?  I think not.

Dec 24, 2006 12:19 PM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area

Andrew...There was a case a few years ago... very similar concept...Same firm...2 agents.. each with a buyer client.  one co-broke listing...both buyers made offers..unbeknown to each other or to the agents...undisclosed dual agency BUT the only person who knew who the players were was the listing agent...I believe this is still in appeals...I can't remember where or when..But it was very interesting!!! Do remember hearing anything about this? Great points and certainly food for thought.

 

Tricia... I've experienced that myself. Buyers usually just want to go see a house and initially at least they don't care about agency disclosures. They usually nod say okay and sign.  Some agents don't recognize when a  buyer doesn't get it or they simply take the easy road and go along with it or they really don't care.  I remember being told in the my early years that.... buyers are liars...I never believed that but said instead that agents don't know the right questions to ask.

George..Thanks for the clarification...that's actually how I thought it was in banking. 

 

Merry Christmas  

 

Dec 24, 2006 01:41 PM
Tricia Jumonville
Bradfield Properties - Georgetown, TX
Texas REALTOR , Agent With Horse Sense

Monika, I think that the saying "Buyers are liars" comes from the fact that buyers frequently insist they want one kind of property and, in fact, end up buying something totally different.  People who say that they do NOT want to live in a suburb and want an acre and a particular kind of house end up buying a house on a tiny suburban lot, after the agent has spent a lot of time trying to find for them what they *think* they want.  I think it's because buyers - some buyers, by all means not all of them, but enough to create a cliche - don't really know what they want, in many cases.  One part of my job is to help them figure it out, even when they think they already know - there are usually signs that they're not really in touch with their own needs.  I learn a lot more from what they say when they're talking about how they live now and what their plans for the future are than from what they say about the house they're looking for, usually. 

 

Dec 24, 2006 02:02 PM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time
Andrew, And there lies the problem with a "true" fiduciary in Real Estate.  By working as a Transaction Broker, the difference is that I have no clients. All of my sellers and buyers are customers. I have a agency relationship with no one. That's the advantage of Transaction Brokerage or no agency relationship. That is why I feel a no agency relationship is a truer picture of what we do. As a TB we can work with all buyers and sellers without ever crossing a line as long as we are fair and honest with all.
Dec 25, 2006 06:53 AM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area

Tricia...I understand your point and agree with it in general.

But....I've asked buyers in the past if they are working with another REALTOR only to be told NO and then an other agent comes out of the woodwork. 

So now I ask them "are you contractually obligated to another REALTOR...the reason I ask is..I would not want to do anything that could put you in a position of owing multiple commissions"!!!

Let me tell you that many times they look at me and say..."well I did sign something...not sure what, let me go out to the car and get it so you can see what it is"...Usually they come back in with a buyers agency agreement.

  So I do think sometimes they omit the truth but many times we don't ask the right questions or ask them in the right way.

Dec 25, 2006 10:15 AM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area

Bryant...You can work with your sellers as a transaction Broker..owing them no fiduciary duties?  Do you always work with them in that capacity?

 

Dec 26, 2006 01:26 PM
Allison Stewart
St.Cloud Homes - Saint Cloud, FL
St. Cloud Fl Realtor, Osceola County Real Estate 407-616-9904
What a Great Devise!  Oldcar  super thanks so much I love it!
Jan 09, 2007 03:36 AM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area
Thanks Allison!!! Oldcar was the best way  for me to memorize them!  :)
Jan 09, 2007 05:08 AM
Paul Anyanwu
RE/MAX SOLUTIONS - West Orange, NJ
CRS, SFR, Broker-Salesperson, Sales West Orange,NJ
Great stuff
Feb 07, 2007 03:12 AM
FRANK LL0SA Esq.- Northern Virginia Broker .:. FranklyRealty.com
Northern Virginia Homes - FRANKLY REAL ESTATE Inc - Arlington, VA

What do you think about when you have a listing and a buyer comes in without an agent, to call them an "Unrepresented buyer" (Like a FSBO,but a buyer). Thus allowing you to work for the seller, instead of being an intermediary pencil pusher?

I dont like straight Dual Agency since I can't give advice to EITHER side. 

Frank 

Mar 04, 2007 04:20 PM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area

Frank...When a buyer comes in and wants to see my listing or any listing in my company...I must represent the seller UNLESS the buyer wants to be represented...then and only would I be a disclosed dual agent. I work with buyers as what we call a Non-Agent when showing  co-broke listings unless of course they want representation then I would be a buyers agent. We have some changes happening that if approved may allow us to just what you do. Thanks for stopping by.

Paul...Thanks for the visit, My comment notifier must not be working as I never saw your comment...Sorry for not replying. 

Mar 04, 2007 10:12 PM
Anonymous
J Mackenzie
We were really burned in Hawaii using a dual agency agreement with a reputable firm. The agents were a husband -wife team, the husband was the lister and the husband and wife were the buyer's agent. We had no representation and, indeed, we believe confidential information was passed on to their buyer on price acceptance and a number of other items. By paving the way for their buyer, the agents  collected commission on both sides. I would tell anyone never to sign a dual agency agreement. It is a complete conflict of interest which is probably not tolerated in other businesses.
Apr 21, 2007 12:25 PM
#74
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area

J Mackenzie...DDA is a conflict and must be disclosed properly. I'm not sure what the rules/laws are in Hawaii but in NH we have to use a written disclosure. Sounds like your experience was really bad. Did you file a complaint? I hope so and I 'm sorry you had such a bad experience.

 

Apr 22, 2007 01:10 PM
Anonymous
Christina Asad Edwards @ www.teamedwards.info

Great post! Please contribute to my post on dual agency here http://www.activerain.com/blogsview/579085/The-True-Test-of

Christina

Jul 04, 2008 05:02 PM
#76
Anonymous
DD

Yeah, what annoys me about using a real estate agent is that it feels like a bad game of telephone.  The buyer talks to his/her realtor, the buyer's realtor talks to the seller's realtor, the seller's realtor talks to the seller, vice versa, repeat....  It is utterly stupid, and half the conversation is never passed along at each stage.  While I like having my house listed with an agency, I want to talk DIRECTLY with the buyer's agent and the buyer.  I want to do my own negotiation, not have a proxy.  It's the same reason that, while I respect the right of a group to have collective bargaining, I don't want it myself.  I stand by my own ability to negotiate.  Where are the progressive agents who will let their clients negotiate for themselves?

Here is a major problem with agents. Sellers overprice their homes to account for commission (myself included). Say a house is priced at $266,000 with 3/3 split of 6%, and both agent and seller know the house would fly at $250,000. As $250,000 adds greater exposure (in other words, it can appear at both the top or bottom end of a search), listing a house for $250k on a solid FSBO site (in a location where FSBO is strong) offers close to the same end price for the seller if no negotiations are made. The seller could come down to $250k with the agent, but why would he or she? Why not wait until the listing expires and list for 250k FSBO?

P.S. I love the idiots who would price the house at $249,900. Why the HECK would you do that when you get increased exposure at $250,000? What are houses...check out aisle snacks?

Aug 15, 2008 09:53 AM
#77
JOHN HOLST
MetroStar® Realtors® Chesterfield Relocation™ - Chesterfield, MO

I am writing a White Paper and a Book on why Dual Agency should be eliminated.  Please provide any lawsuit information or other horror stories on how the clients' best interests were compromised or diluted.

There are multiple forces in the works: 1. In Congress, with fault being discovered that many buyers were not properly represented that added hot sauce to the housing melt-down, 2. With Errors & Omissions insurance carriers seeing that in 50% of all lawsuits agency is brought in as an allegation, see new Standards of Practice coming soon, 3. Well funded consumer advocacy groups (as in the 1993 Edina lawsuit that cost $18 Mil) are preparing to file multiple class action lawsuits in early 2010 against all the major players for inherent conflict of interest on dual agency and double-dipping brokers trying to "represent" both sides of a transaction, 4. The courts are getting tired of issuing warnings, eliminate dual agency or else.

It has been ten years since the real serious shot over the bow from Oklahoma:

In the case of SNIDER v. OKLAHOMA REAL ESTATE COMMISSION, June 1, 1999 the Oklahoma Supreme Court said: "Sellers' agents and dual agents do not and cannot by law give a buyer the same degree of loyalty as an agent who acts on behalf of a buyer. Sellers' agents owe their allegiance to the seller. Dual agency invites a conflict of interest. A buyer who relies on the seller's agent or on dual agency does not receive the same degree of legal protection as that afforded by an agent acting solely on behalf of the buyer".

Professionally, I find the concept of dual agency as completely indefensible and should be eliminated along with the perverse ways to thread the needle with transaction brokerage, designated agents, and disclosed dual agency.

There is no way that you can deliver a true informed consent from a Seller that is no longer going to have full fiduciary level of representation when somebody in the office is now going to be representing the buyer.

Just like the Veterinarian's Office; Cats go in one door and Dogs go in another:

Step 1. Need for only an Exclusive Buyer's Broker to represent the BuyerMake sure that the agent / broker that represents you gives you the highest level of representation possible, full fiduciary duty to only represent your interests as a Buyer and not the Seller. Engage an agent that will pledge in writing to exclusively represent only your interests. Say NO to: dual agents, designated agents, transaction agents and seller's agents. The Seller usually in 95% of the deals will fund the fees (just a normal real estate commission) to pay for this Exclusive Buyer's Broker to only represent the Buyer.

 Step 2. Need for only an Exclusive Seller's Broker to represent the SellerMake sure that the agent / broker that represents you gives you the highest level of representation possible, full fiduciary duty to only represent your interests as a Seller. Engage an agent that will pledge in writing to exclusively represent only your interests.

 PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR BEST VIEWPOINTS AND COMMENTS

Dec 06, 2009 10:25 AM
Anonymous
Marc

Would you let a lawyer represent you on the prosecution side and the defense side at the same time? Do lawyers represent both sides in a legal transaction ever? Of course not! Its highly unethical and hence illegal and puts the clients, ie buyer and seller LAST. Whomever is stupid enough to let a Realtor, Attorney, accountant, whomever to represent them on both sides of a transaction is a FOOL!

Mar 31, 2010 04:49 PM
#79