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My sister Paula, the owner of HomeRun Title, has been in the business since she was 18 years old. I have heard many stories about this business back from 1992. How times have changed over the past 15 years! Just the Title Insurance business itself.

You see, my sister started out with a family operated title company as a "Title Opener". Not knowing anything about the industry, the owner's of the company took her under their wings and taught her a good deal of what she knows today. Needless to say, the owner's retired and they asked Paula to stay with them for another 6 months to handle any calls that came in with any questions relating back to files that closed. She agreed. What she told me the most important thing she learned from this company was "Customer Service". Most people who decide to shut their doors, do just that. They still cared about customer service and that's why they had her stay. This is where my point is starting to come in.

Back in those days, there was no such thing as that now forbidden word...."KICKBACKS". How you got mortgage companies, realtors and lenders to use you was to be "Professional, Knowledgable, Attentive and Curteous". This is what Customer Service is.

Over the years, Paula had received many recommendation letters from companies like FORD and GREAT WESTERN, amongst the mortgage companies. She would herself handle over 200 files a month. One of her main things was, you always take the customers phone call. Even now, we don't have individual voice mail. We are taught to pick up the phone, no matter what.

So you see, when she told me I should get into this business 4 years ago, I was taught the same values. I was originally hired as a Marketing Rep. Prior to entering this business, I was in sales for many years with Howard Johnson Hotels.  To me, I figured it was a no brainer. This was my chance to start a new career and work for my sister.

Coming to my close now. Was I so wrong about a no brainer. When I first started, I had to learn the ropes before I could hit the streets. You have to be able to know what type of service you're providing and be able to answer questions. Once I knew this, I was very excited about going out there and getting business. Much to my surprise, I kept getting people ask me "What KICKBACKS does your company offer?". The first time I heard this, I didn't know what to say. My response was "Let me make a phone call". After speaking to my sister, I told the guy that we don't offer KICKBACKS but our Customer Service is outstanding and just give me 1 deal. I was told "Sorry sweetheart but our title company gives us $300 per file". I thanked him for his time and walked out. Over and over this is what I get. Do you want to know how many companies I acquired as my client in the past year and a half? TWO!

This business has come down to pure greed and that's one of the biggest reasons why this market is where it's at today. GREED!

All I can say, is thank GOD, the buyer gets to chose their title company. That's the reason we're still in business today because of the Customer Service we have given to the customer. They always come back and refer us to their friends. It's just too bad that not everyone knows they are able to use their own. Even when they do, they are for the most part forced by the parties involved to use someone else. Why? Because the company is getting a KICKBACK!

I am not in any way, blaming it all on the brokers or realtor's. If my own Industry would not offer these things, then they wouldn't exist! So do I ever think things would get back to the good ole days? Unfortunately not.

 

55 Comments on What happen to the good ole days?

Dawn

This is undeniably one of the best, meaning honest, posts that I've seen on Active Rain.  I've heard repeatedly from title professionals that the going rate for kickbacks is roughly $300 per deal just as you've said.  Harvesting orders from past customers is definitely a sound strategy for a title company.  I'm glad to hear that it's working for you and I'm glad you've joined this network. 

11/30/2007 11:30 AM by Ed Rybczynski (Rybczynski Consulting)


Well Ed, I was a little nervous since this was my first post. Wasn't too sure how people would react. I want to thank-you for your comment. Take care........Dawn.

11/30/2007 11:39 AM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


I thought this practice was illegal!  I certainly have never gotten a kickback in 9 years in this business and always use the title company that reponds to calls and knows how to handle crisis situations at the settlement table.

11/30/2007 11:43 AM by Endea Thibodeaux, CLHMS, RECS Real Estate Auctions (Auction2Sell, LLC)


Dawn,

I couldn't have expressed it more eloquently...Everything you said is 100% accurate...oddly the 'going rate' for kickbacks started at around $100.00 when this diabolic practice first started...I guess in the world of scoundrels and greed mongers there is competition also...problem is that here on AR you have principled agents who for the most part have opted out of these kind of shenanigans...I HOPE!!! Thanks,   Fran

11/30/2007 11:52 AM by Fran 'The Title Man' Gaspari Title Insurance-PA & NJ (Patriot Land Transfer, Inc.)


You're right Endea, it is 100% illegal. As we all know, there is always a loop hole. There is a correct way that this can be done. I am proud to say though, we don't even go that route. It's too complicated and not even worth it. I'm glad to hear though that you are not one of them. You'll be around for many more years to come. Good luck....Dawn

11/30/2007 11:53 AM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


I never thought it was like that for title reps., except maybe for new construction.  I do however see it in the mortgage business.  What you'll soon realize is that the real estate business has to police itself.  If you don't turn in the companies that are asking for kickbacks, who will?  While it may not get them a conviction, it might.  If nothing else, it may get them investigated, and they'll just love that.  Ask them who's giving them kickbacks, maybe they'll be stupid enough to tell you.  Thanks for sharing your situation, perhaps you'll take my advise and start doing something about it.

11/30/2007 11:56 AM by Gregg Wynn, Southern California (ABSOLUTE APPRAISALS)


Right now Gregg, I'm hoping nature will take it's course. You see, one good thing with this whole mess the market is in, is that alot of those companies will close down. If the title companies aren't making as much money, then they have to cut back on what they offer. Which then, they will lose business and eventually shut down. If not, maybe I have to take your advise. Nice guys finish last, right? Well, I hope to be the last one standing!

11/30/2007 12:09 PM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


What's really sad in this story is that we all have heard this so many times.  And when we've taken this kind of stuff to our regulators, little if anything got done.  Further, if a realtor tells you he knows some other realtor (same for lenders) is doing this, but she wont because she sees it as unethical, they still wont turn each other in.  The title people wont turn in the realtors because they wont get any work...... its a hell of a cycle.
Bless you Dawn for your honesty!

11/30/2007 12:43 PM by tim killcoyne


Thank-you Tim for your comment. What you've said is very true. I read someones Blog today and he is trying to do just that. Report to the proper authorities what he has encountered and is having no such luck. I believe in so many ways, nothing is being done because as long as these companies are around, the higher ups have jobs and continue getting their paychecks. Imagine, if all the crooked companies were to go out of business, how much money would the economy loose? It definitely is a viscous cycle.

11/30/2007 12:57 PM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


Dawn

You just picked up your first subscriber on Active Rain.  I'm sure it's the first of many as you write well and have an important message.  Keep writing, others need to hear your voice. 

I hope your sister decides to start posting as well. 

11/30/2007 03:06 PM by Ed Rybczynski (Rybczynski Consulting)


The pressure is on! Thank-you for the wonderful comment. Hopefully I will live up to your expectations.

11/30/2007 03:23 PM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


Our market has some title companies, but generally uses attorneys who are selected by the buyer.  If a buyer client asks my opinion I give them a list of attorneys who specialize in real estate transactions and are heavy on experience in that discipline.  My only goal is a professionally concluded transaction that protects my clients interest to the highest degree humanely possible.

Thank you for opening this discussion. 

11/30/2007 06:47 PM by Jim McCall (PRO REALTY INC)


Sounds those guys are violating RESPA which could result in the loss of their license.  I put more value on my license and reputation than to sell it for $300.

11/30/2007 07:23 PM by Vicky Poe, Realtor/Apprentice Auctioneer (Realty 1 Group)


Dawn.  Welcome to ActiveRain.  I believe you'll like it here.  If nothing else, you now have a platform from which to try to make change.  RESPA is a strange force.  It works for the honest agent and broker and keeps them from violating the law.  Unfortunately, for the dishonest agent or broker, they blantently break the law with impugnity. 

What I want to see is a few well publicized perp walks.

That will stop some, or will it just make them more careful?

11/30/2007 07:27 PM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


Thank you all for your comments. I was a little nervous to post it but am glad I did. Hopefully we can all open up some eyes and together change the way things are done. Good, honest, clean living. Will it pay off? I sure hope so.

11/30/2007 07:40 PM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


Dawn

  Very good post, and your so right. I have been a real estate broker for 28 years and this business has changed 125% throughout the years. Alot of changes have been great then some changes have created alot more chaos and trouble than they are worth.  So just keep doing buisness they way you are and you will be around a long time

11/30/2007 07:44 PM by Tim Riddle


Dawn,

This was a nice post, welcome. Keep posting, don't be nervous, you did a great job...

As always positive...

 

11/30/2007 07:47 PM by Karen Monsour,REALTORĀ® Broward,Palm Beach,Miami/Dade! 954-464-4194 anytime! (Coldwell Banker Fort Lauderdale Beach)


Dawn, Welcome and thanks for the awesome post. I worked in title/escrow for 2 years in CA and I can tell you that "kickbacks" are alive and well in many areas. They may not think they are "kickbacks" and lots of title reps have a way of "disguising" them - but I say "if it walks like a duck.... you know the rest" Thanks for being so honest!! I sure would give you an order :)

11/30/2007 07:53 PM by Jo Soss | Bremerton WA Real Estate (Skyline Properties, Inc.)


Dawn

You're having quite a first day.  Congratulations for the featured post! 

11/30/2007 08:07 PM by Ed Rybczynski (Rybczynski Consulting)


It is definitely an illegal oractice in Tn. and a dangerous one I think.  I am extremely loyal to my title company and what made me that way was their willingness to accomodate me and my clients and their flexibility and problem solving ability.  I always get to speak to someone and if there is a serious problem that needs immediate attention I call the owner on her cell phone.  I try to use them at every opportunity.

11/30/2007 08:25 PM by The Best Spot Realty/Waterfront Real Estate/Ooltewah Real E


Well Gayle, I'm not really a believer in putting all your eggs in one basket BUT I do believe in loyalty. Sounds like your title company has gone above and beyond and therefore, deserve your loyalty. It shows what type of person you are. Do you want to move to Florida? I'd be more then happy to have you! Take care....Dawn

11/30/2007 08:51 PM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


Dawn,

Congrats on your feature...well deserved!!! Thanks,   Fran

11/30/2007 09:18 PM by Fran 'The Title Man' Gaspari Title Insurance-PA & NJ (Patriot Land Transfer, Inc.)


Really Fran, I can't say thank-you enough to all the kindness I have received. It's kinda like your first report card. You get an A and then your parents expect the rest of the reports to be just as good. So much pressure!

THANK-YOU to all that have read my blog. It's greatly appreciated.

11/30/2007 09:24 PM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


many realtors have asked me for a kickback. knowing full well that it illegal. the few i work with now are on the level.

i could have given the kickback and made a lot of money. but i dont want to work with scumbags.

 

11/30/2007 09:55 PM by Tom Burris | FHA VA & Conv. Texas Mortgage Loans (DallasLoanGuy.com)


There are two components in this situation ... the agents that require the "Kickback" and the title companies that are willing to give them.  As the old saying goes ... it takes two to tango.

11/30/2007 10:03 PM by Allen Wright CNS, AHS, REPS (RealtyU)


There must be things going on around us that we are clueless of  because all the years in the business we have never been offered any kickbacks from any title company and do not know anyone who has. So if this goes on, it is no where that we are at.

11/30/2007 11:08 PM by Bob & Carolin Benjamin - E Phoenix Arizona Real Estate (Benjamin Realty LLC)


  The midwest must also be Virgin to title kickbacks...or at least our market...never heard stories like this OR been offered anything other than the pen used to sign at closing.

11/30/2007 11:35 PM by Sally & David Hanson Realtors WI Residential-Commercial-Short Sale (First Weber Group)


Hi Dawn:  Sorry you have to put up with that stuff.  In Texas... that practice would be illegal.  Title companies are barred from doing anything like that whatsoever.

12/01/2007 12:26 AM by Fort Worth Real Estate - - - Karen Anne Stone (RE/MAX Trinity)


Thanks for your post, Dawn.  And so many wonder how we have gotten to where we are at today.  Reminds me of a story which ran in the Detroit News recently: "Michigan Legislature, Faced with Looming Mortgage Crisis, Slashes Budget of State Mortgage Regulatory Agency."  Go figure. . .

 

 

12/01/2007 02:04 AM by Buyer's Broker of Northern Michigan, LLC


What it looks like to me, in reading the comments about my post is, maybe I need to move to another State! I'm in no way trying to imply that anyone on AR participates in these practices but it does make you wonder why all the voices except for Karen Monsour, are from other states! Hmmm?

12/01/2007 06:39 AM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


Customer service is the key. Kickbacks can and will get you in a world of heartache. I use 2 title companies and switch from deal to deal. Both of them know about each other because i was totally upfront with them. And trust me i receive GREAT service from both.

12/01/2007 09:34 AM by Robert L. Brown~Grand Rapids Real Estate Flexit Realty, West Michigan (www.mrbrownsellsgr.com)


GREAT POST!
I have been using the same wonderful Title Company for the last 15 years - they are worth their weight in gold and then some.  They practice their business like you.
BTW, Has anyone ever told you - you look like Ann Coulter?  I have to keep squinting at your photo - to make sure it's not her! LOL

12/01/2007 10:02 AM by Debbie Cook (Long & Foster Real Estate, Inc)


Thank-you for your post Debbie! I can assure you that I am not Ann Coulter. I do see the similarities in her photo. Maybe she is a long lost sister LOL.

12/01/2007 10:13 AM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


Dawn,

About your comment: "What it looks like to me, in reading the comments about my post is, maybe I need to move to another State! I'm in no way trying to imply that anyone on AR participates in these practices but it does make you wonder why all the voices except for Karen Monsour, are from other states! Hmmm?"

"...a prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house." Matt. 13:57

Thanks, Fran

12/01/2007 10:54 AM by Fran 'The Title Man' Gaspari Title Insurance-PA & NJ (Patriot Land Transfer, Inc.)


The people who expect a kickback are bottom of the barrel, and it is refreshing to hear how abhorrant this is to you, Dawn. Kickbacks exist in many industries, and the more all of us can do to eradicate this, the better. As a home inspector, I was asked for kickback money at at real estate ofice in a well-to-do area one time years ago, and was surprised to be asked this. I then grabbed my business cards and brochures out of their hands, and politely said "I don't need any business from you", as I walked out.  Keep up the good (honest) work. - Ray

12/01/2007 12:43 PM by Ray Wilson - NYS Licensed Inspector (Meticulous Home Inspection Corporation)


Ah, the good ole days.....  the days before you needed a form to assure your client you would be honest and deal fairly with them.   The days when you were loyal to title companies or lenders not because of a kickback but because they did the best job for your client....and you.

I was first licensed in real estate before FAX machines were standard equipment in every office - Realtors were more interactive with EACH OTHER and not so cut throat and deceptive as today.  Yes of course there were snakes even in the good ole days but it's different today.

There are still a lot of good, honest people who are sincere in the work they do.  I just wish we could get rid of the licensees who use trick & scheme (decption) in their drive for a big fat commission check.

12/01/2007 01:55 PM by Wendy Smith Real Estate


You are here in Florida and I have to admit that I am surprised that kickbacks are so common down there! I have used many title companies, but I do have a favorite and if a customer asks for a recommendation, I always say Sunbelt Title in Port Charlotte. They do offer the best possible kickbacks! Freshly baked cookies! And during the Holidays, their office manager even brings them around to different broker offices for the agents! that is the ONLY kickback we get and I must say, it is the best! It is legal and ethical!

12/01/2007 04:37 PM by Barbara-Jo & Bill - - Florida Realty Professional - AHWD (Charles Rutenberg Realty)


I don't know Barbara-Jo what it is with down here but I can't even stress how bad it is! I'm not in any means conceited but I must say, I'm attractive, smart and one of the most outgoing people you could meet and I can't get past the front door of these places! They have no shame to immediately ask what I'm going to give them. One title company walked into one of the offices of a mortgage company I deal with and besides offering them the money, stated they have a Yacht that they let the brokers use whenever they want. Unbelievable!

12/01/2007 05:19 PM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


Dawn,

Take a look at the Sherman Anti Trust Act and I think you will find the offense of accepting a "kickback" quite expensive to the individual and the firm.  This is unbelievable to me.....no one would ever offer me anything for my business because I have a reputation for doing what is required under law....turning them in.....

12/02/2007 09:52 AM by Julie Chapman Realty Homes Brunswick Georgia


I will take a look at the Sherman Anti Trust Act. Thank-you. I will also say, Paula, the owner of HomeRun, has a vacation home in Georgia and has told me it's like a different world there. The realtor's openly except you into their office, they are extremely polite and she never heard a mention of KICKBACK. Now I'm not too sure if everyone is like that but two thumbs up to Georgia!

12/02/2007 10:50 AM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


That practice is definitely illegal in Oregon. It's too bad you have to work in that kind of environment. How can Florida allow this practice? It's not good for clients.

12/02/2007 02:38 PM by Tigard Oregon Real Estate >> Wayne B. Pruner, GRI (Oregon First)


It's not good for the clients. I question all the time how could there be so much of it going on here? Considering it's not really a hush hush thing. People are really open about it. I'm careful about what I say but when the actual client tells me someone was trying to force them to use a particular title company, I let them know usually when that happens they are getting something from it. It's not always the case and that's why I'm careful not to implement anyone.

12/02/2007 03:09 PM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


Hi Dawn, I just found your post by following a link in Lenn Harley's article.  What you have written about kickbacks hows how terrible the practice is.  How can people be so greedy?  I hope that as more and more consumers and agents are made aware of this practice that there will be positive changes.  You are a new agent for positive change with your blogging! 

Congratulations on your debut post!

12/02/2007 10:30 PM by Deborah Burns ~ Seattle Real Estate Agent (BRIO Realty)


It is unfortunate, but true.  Been through it myself.  Fortunately, my buyers trust me and they decide whom to go with. 

Thanks for the great post and congratulations on the star!

12/03/2007 07:04 AM by Brigita McKelvie - Lehigh Valley, PA, Residential, Rural & Horse Properties (Vision Realty Group)


The sad part is that the majority of KICKBACKS are the RESPA LEGAL ABA's.  So many Realtor Owners and Mortgage Brokers float out into the market that they will give their business to the highest bidder.

My company, Bertrum Settlements has thus far refused to partake in this discusting business arrangement.  We are doing quite well without this nonsense and wish the Mortgage and Realty industry would simply try 'harder' to make their profits without sucking 'FREE MONEY' out of the Title industry.

Extortion.  Sucks. 

12/03/2007 09:36 AM by Rob Robinson- Lehigh Valley PA (Bertrum Settlements (Title & Abstract))


Dawn,

I just wanted to remind my friend Rob that nothing is 'free'...they will pay the price of 'branding' themselves with a suitable reputation to go along with their non-consumer friendly tactics!!! Thanks,   Fran

12/03/2007 10:00 AM by Fran 'The Title Man' Gaspari Title Insurance-PA & NJ (Patriot Land Transfer, Inc.)


I hear you Rob. ABA's are something that I refuse to deal with. Again, I prefer to get my business the good ole fashioned way. Working hard and proving who and what I am.

I know of a mortgage company who has interest in a title company and in speaking to some of the brokers, they call the company "NO CHOICE TITLE". What I have noticed with all this is these mortgage companies and realtor's at some point in time, wind up having problems with the whole agreement. The title company no longer needs to work hard and give the best service possible. Why should they? They know the title orders are still going to come in everyday because they have the arrangement.

12/03/2007 10:03 AM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


I am amazed at the number of Realtors I've spoken that 'HATE' their Title Company (incompetent, not flexible, etc.), yet CONTINUE to use them.... because they get a piece of the action.  And they say this with a straight face.

Shoot me.

12/03/2007 10:28 AM by Rob Robinson- Lehigh Valley PA (Bertrum Settlements (Title & Abstract))


The new photo of you is better and clearer - I see no resemblence (except for the hair) to Anne now! LOL

12/03/2007 11:12 AM by Debbie Cook (Long & Foster Real Estate, Inc)


Thank you Debbie. We kinda have similar features. Have a great day!

12/03/2007 11:26 AM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


Being in this business for 26 years I have seen just about everything you are commenting on. I don't think anything significant will happen until some serious enforcement of the existing laws happens. I mean people need to go to jail. In California Title Companies have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of fines, but to my knowledge no real estate agents or lenders have been fined or even had their hands slapped for accepting kickbacks. I keep doing everthing I can to be an honest operator and will keep doing it. I have made a good living for many years and I hope to continue that as well.

12/03/2007 01:43 PM by Greg Knowles Santa Barbara Ca. (Lawyers Title Co.)


My thoughts exactly Greg. People do ask me why don't I just cave in and do it. Besides it being illegal, I work hard for my money and why should I give some to someone else who is also getting paid. Just like you said, big deal they get fined. The worst I have seen is the underwriter for these title companies won't underwrite them anymore. What do they do? They open up again under a new name and with a new underwriter.

12/03/2007 02:14 PM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


Dawn, it is refreshing to read your post and to see other people who conduct business in an ethical manner.  I spoke with a lady recently who is in medical sales and  many the doctors she visits want to know what they're getting out of it.  How about thinking of what their patients are getting instead?

Keep doing things the right way, in the long run you'll come out ahead. 

01/16/2008 03:55 PM by Tchaka Owen (Elite Coastal Properties)


Thank you Tchaka for the comment. It's amazing but this really doesn't just apply to real estate industry. So many others want the same thing.

I will always stand my ground when it comes to kickbacks. Thanks again.

01/17/2008 09:39 AM by Dawn Rodriguez/HomeRun Title/ Title Insurance Company (HomeRun Title)


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