Okay, so why did we start this? Well, in short, one of our staff members recently engaged in selling his home (for the first time) and we have been filled with daily and weekly updates on the process since July of 2006. He had such a horrific and tiresome dilemma that we figured we had to dedicate some sort of information for consumers so they wouldn't have the same scenario happen to them. We also have gone through this process (on both ends) and figured that we all could shed some light and informative tips on what consumer's need to know. 

So what happened? Well, our staff member decided to list his first home for sale (a townhome in the West Suburbs of Chicago) back in July of 2006. Actually, it all started on a Saturday just before he and his wife went on vacation. They were just getting packed and ready to go when he heard his wife say, "Look, I just found this house online...lets see if we can go see it..". Being a time-conscious person, he uttered "No", but eventually saw the online listing and figured he would let his wife call the listing agent for a showing. To their surprise, the agent asked if they could come and see the property in one hour. They decided that they could fit the showing into their schedule before departing on vacation. Well, they went and saw the property and loved it. In two short hours, they had decided to put a bid in on the home. At this point, they figured that going on vacation was not such a good idea now as they had to put their property up for sale to begin the process.

The listing agent of the property they put a bid on was "one man shop". He was the realtor, the broker, and the owner of the agency. At first glance, he seemed to be just another real estate agent trying to sell a property to excited buyers. After he and his wife put in the bid, they were now unsure of what they had to do next, but figured they had to put their home up for sale. The listing agent began to tell them that this needed to be done ASAP and they should consult with a real estate agent to do so. Since all this happened so fast, they asked the agent who he recommended and of course, he recommended himself. They were still unsure about this person as they had just met him, but after learning that he only charged 1 percent commission, they figured they would give him a try. At this point, everything was going great: They put their bid in on the property, they decided to list their home ASAP, and found an agent who was going to sell it for them.

Due to the fact that the bid was entered under a dual-agent contract (because they contacted him directly and had no previous real estate agent they were working with), the listing agent felt it was best to have the sellers and buyers directly work out the intangibles regarding price and closing dates. Eventually, the bid was accepted by the sellers and the home inspection passed with flying colours. 

On the same day they put the bid in, they signed a listing contract with the listing agent of the seller's property. He put the sign out front of their home, took pictures, put the property on MLS, and arranged for a virtual tour. Everything was going great and they started to get a lot of showings...a lot of showings with no interest. They asked the agent why they had gotten no bids (after 15 showings) and his response was, "Well, its a bad market..". So they pressed on and thats when things got really weird.  They asked the agent to obtain feedback from the agents who brought in clients. Everything checked out good. No poor responses and nothing was noted as what needed to be changed from an arbitrary opinion. During this timeframe, another bid came in. They were both a bit  suspicious and asked for some sort of proof. To their surprise, the agent faxed them the ENTIRE bid of the other buyers (including a copy of their earnest money check). Unfortunately, their agent began to increase the number of calls to them, often at late hours of the night. After the 20th showing, it appeared he began to panic and began worrying if they would be able to sell their home before the closing date on the other property. His phone calls began to become harrassing in nature and once swore to them about not doing a showing (with a 4 hour time window when they had other committments). After having just about enough of this agent, they contacted the sellers of the other property about terminating him due to his lack of professionalism. The sellers said to get rid of him and they did and hired a new agent (just as Fall hit).

After hiring the new agent, they found glaring holes in the marketability of their home. The new agent had experience in staging a home and told them to remove the "clutter". They were shocked about the ideas, but figured they had to do something in order to get the house sold and make it more presentable to potential buyers. The house was always immaculate, super clean, and in great shape (only 5 years old), but did have a lot items in the house that made it appear busy. 

To make a long story short, they never did sell their home..with either agent and decided to cancel the listing just before Christmas to get a break. Fortunatley, they were able to recoup their earnest money on the other property and will relist their home in the Spring of 2007.

What did they do wrong in this process? Do you see anything in this story that could have been circumvented or changed in order to come to a better outcome?  

 

6 Comments on Selling a home: A horror story

DEC
27
2006
171,116 Points 32 Featured Posts Outside Blog

First let me say that although I prefer to work for a large brokerage, there is nothing wrong with a Broker doing business on his/her own.  There is also nothing wrong with attempting to get your staff members listing, it is just business. 

Your staff member should have known something was wrong when he only charged them 1%.  If you cannot negotiate on your own behalf, how are you going to negotiate on mine?  And the old adage comes into play;  you get what you pay for.

Dual Agency is also termed double ending in the real estate business.  There is nothing wrong with it provided it is handled properly and is legal in your state.  Few agents have the ability to handle a dual agency situation with the finesse it requires.  His putting the buyer and seller at the table together was not the worst idea on the planet and seems to have worked out OK since they came to an equitable agreement and went into escrow. 

He took pictures, put it on the MLS and set up a virtual tour, he is already leagues ahead of most discount brokers.  There were a lot of showings, also good.  He was doing something right. 

When asked why there were no offers after 15 showings he told the sellers that the market was bad.  Well you did say it was July 2006 but you didn't mention what city this is in so I am going a little out on a limb here.  In July 2006 the market was not good, and 15 or 20 showings may feel like a lot, but it is not, they should have had that in the first week of the listing.  There was a tremendous amount of inventory on the market in July, most of it terribly overpriced.  You didn't mention the price or the comparables.  Was your staff members house priced properly?  Did they reduce the price over time as the market dropped over the summer months?

You say, another bid came in on the property they were in contract to purchase.  Well, with a contingency to sell a property that was just being placed on the market, the agent would have done his sellers a dis-service if he did not continue to seek back-up offers.  This could have been handled many ways, you were vague, I don't have the details.  The sellers could have said, buyer remove the contingency or quit with an agreed upon time frame usually a 24 or 48 hours notice to perform that is designated in the original purchase contract.  You did not give specifics here and these things vary from state to state. 

Faxing the new offer to purchase to the buyers already in contract, your staff member,  was unthinkable and none of their business.

The phone calls and harassing behavior that you mentioned is very vague, so beyond saying that it is not very professional I am going to leave that alone and stick to the facts you have provided.

This business of the buyers contacting the sellers about terminating him sounds fishy.  You described a scenario where the relationship between your associate and their listing agent was collapsing.  You did not say anything about the relationship between the seller of the other properties relationship with this agent.  All your staff member had to be concerned about was their relationship with the agent.  They had every right to fire him if they were unhappy with his services and to extricate themselves from the contract to purchase his other listing.  That is it.  Once in contract with him as the agent, they would need a release before hiring another agent to represent them on the purchase and the sale or the original agent would be able to claim the commission through procuring cause, and rightfully so.   

Moving right along, your staff member hires another agent who made some very realistic suggestions about presenting their home in the best light.  Why they were so shocked is beyond me, clutter gets in the way of a sale and the agent had experience in staging a home, they should have been grateful, not shocked.  A buyer needs to see clean surfaces and empty spaces so that they can visualize their own belongings in their potential new home.  The market was still flooded with properties, prices were dropping rapidly, interest rates were rising, and it is highly likely that their property was overpriced even if they do not feel that it was. 

What they did wrong in this process was in not hiring a seasoned professional, an area specialist, and paying a commission worthy of a true professional, and more than likely overpricing their property.    Understand that agents earning full commissions do so for a very good reasons.  They provide services which cost a great deal of money, and do not recover that money unless the property sells.  They are financing the marketing and advertising of the sale of the property.  This often runs into the thousands when done properly and increases when a property sits on the market for an excessive amount of time. 

Please go to this link:  A Must Read Before Hiring Your REALTOR this article was written in July 2006, (right at the time this all occured), and published in our local paper in the Real Estate Section.  It does not matter what city you are in, it is applicable to hiring an agent, and should be mandatory reading before doing so.  Please share this article with your staff member and tell them to be more discerning when they hire their next REALTOR and to price their property properly. 

There are buyers out there, they have their choice of many properties and they are hunting for value.  Provide value and the property will sell. 

There really is only one reason any property does not sell and that is price.

 

 

5:29am • #1
434,724 Points 70 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Sounds like this could be made into "The Twi-Light Zone.. Very scary..
5:38am • #2
138,203 Points 15 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor
As soon as they heard 1% that should have rung a bell - after the cost of advertising what would be left?
5:52am • #3
JAN
01
2007
3 Featured Posts

Laurie,

Thanks for your reply. Happy New Year. In your second paragraph you mentioned "If you cannot negotiate on your own behalf, how are you going to negotiate on mine?" Well actually they did negotiate the commission for the realtor. The realtor asked for 1.5 percent and they asked for 1.0 percent. The realtor was the owner, broker, and the agent. From what they understood, this was their niche as they didnt have to share the commission with a clearinghouse or firm (Coldwell Banker, etc.). It actually made perfect sense and was worth a shot. You are right thought, you get what you pay for...

You also mentioned that the realtor did something right by putting the listing on MLS and creating a virtual tour. Is this all it takes? If that's the case, it appears that more sellers should look at www.buyowner.com or www.forsalebyowner.com.

You also say in July 2006 the "market wasn't good"? What does that really mean? If someone walks up to your door after you have your house listed for a day and puts a bid in (and you accept it), is that really a bad market? Statisics can be used for whatever you want them to be used for...try the stock market and see how statistics do for you...

The sellers actually had their price lower than others in the area (in the same subdivision). All three sold for $270,000 (one listed at 280k, the other at 279,900 and the last at 275,000). The listed their's at $274,900 even with an extra bedroom and nicer layout and with hardwood floors throughout when others had carpeting. They went down to $264,900 in the end before pulling the listing. Are you saying it was overpriced? All houses took at least 6 months to sell regardless of "the market". In the end, the house didnt sell, was it a "bad market" or something else? I'd be happy to send you the listing to draw your own conclusions...

Would you send another competing offer to another bidder? If so, that's bad...Watch the movie "Wall Street" and see where I'm getting at.....A harrassing phone call is a harrassing phone call, not vague, just harrassing. Bottom line. In fact, the seller and the buyers never dealt with the agent. The agent was like Switzerland and played neutral. The agent let the buyer and seller work out the price and closing date.

Then you mention about the listing with another agent. What's your definition of clutter? Its the responsibility of the agent to let the seller know what best suits the sale of a home, not the seller(s). The house was impeccable.....People live in houses!

What is a seasoned professional? A college degree (if so, there's not many), years of experience, etc.? What's the rate for a seasoned professional? 1%, 2.5%, 3.0%, 3.5%? Houses sell themselves...you know this!!!

Great link to the article...it was very informative....instead of realtors saying they specialize in "first time homebuyers", they should say "first time home sellers".

Besides, what makes you sooo different? Why would I choose you over Penny and John Dumke if I was moving to CA?

1:38am • #4
171,116 Points 32 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Hello there again,

Happy New Year to you also.  I see we are both having an exciting New Years Eve on the Internet, lol.  At least it is safe here. I was wondering when you would return. 

You do pose a lot of issues here, so I will respond in the order they were posed.

That the agent only asked for 1.5% and accepted 1% is an indication that they will not be spending any money or time to promote the property, it is just not financially feasible.  Marketing and Advertising costs are very expensive when handled properly. Normally a commission is 5 or 6% split between the listing agent and the selling agent 2.5 or 3% each.  After a broker cut which we all negotiate with our brokers (it is not 50%) and expenses and overhead, there is some money left to call earnings.  Most people do not realize the cost of doing business for Realtors.  We have very heavy insurance and operating expenses. 

When I mentioned that the Realtor did something right by taking pictures, putting the listing on the MLS and creating a tour I should have been clearer.  Discount brokers generally will put a listing on the MLS and that is about it, I was surprised that this agent even spent money on the virtual tour.  Discount brokers work very differently than the rest of the real estate community, they are on a thin line financially and must provide a no frills model.  This works well in a sellers market when buyers abound, but in a buyers market when there is heavy inventory and few buyers, more is needed. 

No that is not all that is needed.  Properties need to be marketed through targeted print media and advertising, they need massive Internet exposure.  Agents need to have an arsenal at their disposal to present a property in its best light to the largest possible audience.  They also need to court the other agents in the area to entice them to show this particular property. 

The summer months are usually when the housing market gets very busy.  School is out and there is a mad flurry of selling and buying.  Most want to be settled into their new homes before the next school year begins.  This is also when prices have accelerated for many of the past years.  This year was different.  Prices capped out and the buyers resisted.  Properties weren't moving making potential sellers nervous and throwing their properties on the market for fear of losing value and adding to an already high inventory of homes on the market.  Buyers saw the hesitation and pulled back, prices were dropping and they were going to wait and save themselves some money.  Many of the properties that were listed did not sell.  (I am speaking for the California market here, I cannot speak for your market, but I suspect it could not have been too much different.)  The good news here is that due to the price drops of 2006 the market seems to have leveled out for now and inventory is starting to move again, slowly, but it is moving.  We are all hoping that it will stay level. 

If a seller received an offer within a day of placing their home on the market in July 2006, they should thank God, because they were blessed.

Regarding the pricing of the home:  it sounds like it was priced very well.  The 3 comps that you mentioned, when did they close?  I need to know more here to respond properly.  Please go to my website http://www.lauriemanny.com/ at the bottom of the first page you will find my email address, please go ahead and send me a copy of the listing, also the comps if you have them and any pictures you might have available.

I would never send or disclose the contents of a competing offer to anybody, it is truly unthinkable. 

Funny you mention the movie Wall Street, my brother is in the movie.  He works on the floor and is in every shot they took on the floor just to the side of one of the large support posts. We must remember that was just a movie though, but a very good one.

You keep mentioning a harassing phone call.  I am sorry, but I am at a bit of a loss here, I don't understand what went on in the conversation or what it was about.  It sounds like there was a major communication breakdown.  

It also sounds like the agents way of dealing with dual agency was to have the seller and buyer negotiate directly.  I suspect the Switzerland stance was his way of attempting to keep the dual agency neutral.  Dual agency is difficult at best, and is not for the weak. 

Your original statement regarding the new agent and the house was "After hiring the new agent, they found glaring holes in the marketability of their home. The new agent had experience in staging a home and told them to remove the "clutter". They were shocked about the ideas, but figured they had to do something in order to get the house sold and make it more presentable to potential buyers. The house was always immaculate, super clean, and in great shape (only 5 years old), but did have a lot items in the house that made it appear busy."

Then you go on to state: "Then you mention about the listing with another agent. What's your definition of clutter? Its the responsibility of the agent to let the seller know what best suits the sale of a home, not the seller(s). The house was impeccable.....People live in houses!"

Over time we all accumulate "clutter".  Most clutter is precious to us and has great sentimental value.  Pictures of families, knick knacks that were picked up on a special trip, a gift given by a child, relative or close friend.  Of course we don't see it as "clutter".  Buyers really do need to be able to visualize their own family pictures and belongings in the space, that is easier achieved with clean surfaces and by a general 'decluttering'.  Also alleviating clutter makes a home feel more spacious and clear.  The only reason I addressed the clutter was because you mentioned that it was there. 

A seasoned professional, is a Realtor (listing agent, in this case) who knows the area, has sold other properties in the area (not just a few) has the tools required to sell property in this market, and is a proven entity.  They listen to the needs of the seller, explain the process, and go the extra mile to make their dream come true, whatever it takes

I am glad you enjoyed the article, a lot of thought went into it.  It works well as a guide to hiring your Realtor, especially if you have never done so before. 

Most agents (not all) who advertise for first time home-buyers are newer agents.  It is where they earn their wings.  Everybody has to start somewhere.  Some seasoned agents specialize in first time home-buyers.  First time home sellers need a bit more handholding than a seller who has been through it before.  You just have to find an experienced listing agent who has the patience to explain the process and walk them through it.  Communication rules in this business. Ask the agents that you interview about their experience.  In the end you have to hire somebody you are comfortable with and can get the job done, with the least amount of stress possible. 

What makes me different?  I guess I could get philosophical here and ask why I should be different, but I won't.  I have excellent negotiating skills and the tools that it takes to get the job done. In our business it is said that 20% of the Realtors do 80% of the business.  In that 20% only some utilize the arsenal of tools that I have at my disposal and few have the determination that I have to get the job done, and done well.  How many of them would be sitting at their computer at 1:00 AM on New Years Eve working?

Penny and John Dumke are excellent agents.  If you were moving to California you would not go wrong hiring them or myself, we would both get the job done and get it done well. 

I will be looking forward to your email.  Please put my name LAURIE in the subject in case it goes to my junk mail folder so that it does not get deleted.  I receive a tremendous amount of spam.

I wish you a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year.

Warmest Regards,

Laurie

 

 

3:28am • #5
JAN
02
2007
3 Featured Posts

Great post Laurie...your answers were precise and very accurate and I can only assume that you are a leading agent in your area from your demeanor and expertise. I think your reponse is great information for anyone considering selling their home. I remember selling my home 2 years ago and cannot relate to the person in the story (mine sold in 3 days), but always did wonder what separates other agents from the pack.

Great post and have a Happy New Year....

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