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102 Comments on Buyer-Broker Agreements.....Why They Are Not Good For Agents
AJ: That's what I hear, will be curious to see how that works with the public.
Denise: The non-binding nature...both in legality and practicality....is what is the worst part. We are making our clients uncomfortable for no real purpose.
Andrew: I don't think it is
Shannon: That's interesting....certainly something in writing which all parties agree to as a working relationship could be a good thing
Todd: I think the few clients I've "lost" would have been lost anyway.
Melina: But unethical agents will continue to be that way. Any property a client brings to me to see....we see. You're right that I'm talking about the BB agreements we have to work with at this time. Unenforceable and scary.
Melissa: That could make things even worse?
Bill: ouch.... :)
"Buyers are liars" is a phrase I learned early in my career from some "old school" agents and so to me the BBA is used to hold me and more importantly, the Buyer accountable. Agree with Elizabeth #67. Question is when to introduce the agreement? As already stated, the BBA is mandatory here in Georgia and I simply tell the Buyers that it's my employment contract with them and that they are hiring me to protect their interests during their home purchase.
I use the buyers broker agreement at the time we are putting in an offer. And then I use ,in Georgia, the non exclusive agreement. Right at the top of the agreement it quotes the law that says in order to rep a buyer i have to have this . so I guess I split the difference with you and give them a free trial up to the point of an offer
Karen -- you have touched on an important topic, and you didn't need your asbestos suit! It is great that people can share their thoughts, even on very controversial point, in a reasonable manner. One of the best things about AR!
Karen it's been a standard practice for us to use a BB for many years. Not so much with our long time clients that come back time after time but rather with new clients. We go over the BB and agency on their 1t first visit. The reason I like it because it is a good educational tool and clearly outlines what the agent will do and what the buyer will do or not do, IE not go to new home subdivisons without their agent on the first visit, learn what to say when going to open houses of other agents and how not to take up too much of their time - of which we give them a stack of cards to take with them. I don't recall having any issues with the BB.
I spoke to my broker and he said he would support me 100% because I didn't do anything wrong. He said I showed them many homes (on 3 occassions) and have done everything I needed to. One day notice is not sufficient and after him bullying me for 2 hours in emails/texts and not answering his phone, HE forced me not to show him homes the following morning which I had originally agreed to. But after 2 hours of bullying and pushing me, I ran out of time.
Bottom line is this: I think he did a "no-no". He did something wrong and knew it and was trying to flip the blame to me. Remember when you dated a guy and he was super nice but you liked someone else? You made your current boyfriend mad so he would break up with you so you wouldn't feel so guilty? I believe this is what happened. This buyer did something (called another agent, saw another home....) - SOMETHING that scared him so he started bullying me and pushing me so I would just give in. One of his emails said "Well, if you want us to find another agent" and another said "Well, say the word and we will find someone that can help us...." HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING. He knew he had an exclusive and he was trying to get me to give him PERMISSION to walk away.
Didn't happen. I won't be bullyed and I push back.
I don't ask buyers to sign it first off. But I do after we've looked at houses several times and I'm ready to ask them to "commit" to me.
Sounds like you have your own business style. Good for you! Kristine
Karen ~ I've had my license and been selling real estate for 19 years in the Denver area and buyer agency/buyer brokerage has been used since right before I got into real estate. I don't use this to "trap" a buyer into using me, but without a signed BA contract, I am limited. I don't sign an agency agreement until I am comfortable with them. It is a two way street when it comes to signing. Also, the way it is presented makes a world of difference. In our office, we just had a buyer go rogue. This buyer had been explained the buyer brokerage agreement and signed it. Our agent was active in showing the lady properties and the lady ended up buying a house with another company. Our agent will be owed a commission if the buyer continues on with purchasing the house.
I think buyer brokerage is the only way to go. Why? The biggest reason is that Buyers should be represented when they purchase a home. Without the agreement, they have no representation. How often do we spend $200,000?
Karen - I like things in writing. It's probably the attorney in me. I typically do an initial consultation with the buyer and explain it as part of my initial consultation. I also explain to them that I want them to be comfortable, and that I will happily go out with them once to see if we work well together before asking them to sign. We sign listing agreements with sellers, and I think it makes sense to do the same with buyers. Wouldn't agents be more committed to their buyers if they weren't wondering whether the buyer was going to buy over the weekend at an open house? Wouldn't if benefit the buyer to have an agent looking out for them rather than moving from agent to agent, none of whom are committed?
KAren I have to agree that it scares a lot of buyer right of the gate if you try to have most buyers sign before they know anything about me. Most buyers are more than willing to sign one once we have met and spoke about their goals for a home and learn what I can offer. Too many other agencies either trick or demand buyers sign BA agreements tying them to it and making them very upset. There is a lot of bad talk then about that company that they may not even realize is hurting them. Thanks for opening a great conversation
Jon: That's true...although I think the situation in the other post was a bit more contentious. Abuse is never allowed. But there are times when I can't show homes, and I hope that the work I've done thus far keeps them waiting for me....but if it doesn't, due to the multiple offer situation we have here...then it doesn't. I'm ok with that.
Ron: If it were mandatory...then the consumer is already aware of them, and it's the norm. I see nothing wrong with them....actually I see nothing wrong with them period, but do think they end up hurting the agent more than helping.
Charlie: I see that many agents use the BBA instead of the agency disclosure that we have here. Which makes perfect sense.
Steven: It's a good crowd here...definately a great thing about AR
Anna: That's great...and it is a good tool used that way. But we could do the same thing with a conversation...you're right, that they do get the point that if they buy a new home without us, they owe us a commission...but then again, should they? After one visit with us?
LaNita: You absolutely were in the right...and bullying tactics are never allowed. What I'm more curious about is what are you going to do? Call and let them know they have to work with you? It's really an interesting situation and you are handling it the way the agreement was meant, I want to know how it turns out.
Erica: That would be the time to ask
Kristine: yes
Dawn: I don't think it's about trapping a buyer...but also, since most agents agree they will let a buyer out at any time, what is the point? In our state, we have an agency disclosure which clearly states that I am representing the buyer, so they are represented.
Christine: I guess it's the old school salesman in me :). "what have you done for me lately" approach to building value
Scott: I'm glad they are not typical in my area....unhappy buyers is not a good thing
Well how you want to do business is your choice. I didn't want to get into the pro and con discussion, I'm just posting regarding those of you who keep posting that they are unenforceable in California, go to law school or get another lawyer I didn't use the CAR form, I used a single page one I created and it held up 3 times in court for my agents who had buyers that were trying to play games. They played and they payed.
Brian: maybe it's better to say that they are not enforced in California....at least not anyone that I have heard of. Procurring cause is still king when it comes to commission, and that's what we are talking about for the most part.
Kim: Our agency disclosre is what I use for that purpose...interesting to hear how other states handle things.
Karen wrote: "There is always a lot of talk about Buyer-Broker Agreements. I have used them on very rare occasions and for very specific reasons...but in general I do not. In fact, I think they are detrimental to agents (this is me bracing myself for the response:))."
Lenn writes: Buyer Agency Agreements were developed to prevent the prevailing and mistaken impression by buyers who believed that the agent with whom they were working was THEIR AGENT. At that time, prior to agent who worked WITH buyers were still sub-agents of the seller. Buyers did not understand.
Back in 1986, the NAR published a pamphlet for agents to use titled "Dual Agency is a Totally Inappropriate Agency Relationship" Of course that was "BEFORE EDINA" the lawsuit that cost a Minn. brokerage about $40,000,000 when a home buyer discovered that the agent with whom they had worked when they purchased a property, in reality, and completely undisclosed, represented the seller. Due to problem following the settlement, the buyer sued and won and won BIG.
There was genuine panic throughout the real estate community. Then, the NAR, through state legislatures, got busy promulgating laws making DUAL AGENCY perfect legal. Once it was discovered by the consumer that the agent with whom they were working was a sub-agent of the sellers, agents were at risk of "Undisclosed Dual Agency" which is, of course FRAUD! Eeekkk. Can't put licensees in jeopardy. So, they made DUAL AGENCY legal with various permutations from state to state whereby the agents/brokers could still give the appearance of representing the interest of a buyer, while still maintaining the power of the listing.
Karen wrote: "Hear me out! I believe they deter potential clients. Have you seen the ads which offer a 30 day free trial? or 60 day? or 90 day? Sure you have! Have you even taken advantage of it? I bet you have....do you know why? Because people have a desire to know what they are buying....Before They Buy."
"I believe that real estate agents are no different. There is a lot of misinformation in the media about agents. I think when an agent waves a binding agreement before even walking through the door of a listing, they are contributing to this."
"There is a reason people like to try before they buy....so I think we should let them."
Lenn writes: I agree. The industry constantly tries to equate representing a buyer with representing a seller. They are apples and oranges. Sure a contract is a contract. But, that's about as far as the comparison goes. A home owner seller is free to interview as many listing agents as they wish. Those agents provide a wealth of material to the seller before the seller hires them, CMA, market reports, personal bio, blah, blah, blah. The seller says "Thank you and I'll be in touch". HA! That seller has had the privilege of "touring that listing agent without any contract, representation agreement or anything else".
I ask, why shouldn't a prospective home buyer have the same privilege??? Why is a consumer/buyer asked to make a commitment to a buyer broker prior to touring a home for sale??? Why can't a buyer consumer contact an agent who is not the listing agent or in the listing brokerage and ask an agent to simply - - -
"Show me a homes I found on the Internet". Or,
"I like your web site and would like for you to take me on a tour of some homes I found on the Internet."
Isn't that consumer really interviewing that showing agent while on a tour of homes for sale??? Why is that different from the home seller who interviews many listing agents before hiring one???
Yet, the agent, while fully capable and equipped with key access to show a home for sale, can't help that prospective buyer/consumer before the buyer SIGNS SOMETHING, even though the showing agent is not employed by the listing broker. That would trigger a requirement, disclosure of agency relationship with the seller to circumvent the fact that they represent that seller. Compliance by listing broker/agent's disclosure requirement, last figure I saw was about 20%. HA! Consumers know that if they call on a yard sign, someone in the listing brokerage's office will be more than glad to show them that home for sale. Yard signs sell homes.
Karen wrote: "I also think that when they go bad, they turn out to make things far worse for the agent. Why? Because as a real estate agent, would you ever hold a buyer to the contract? Assuming that you are not in an escrow, of course. Probably not....I doubt there are many, if any, agents who would actually tell a buyer that they are bound by this agreement, even if they don't wish to use the agent any longer. Perhaps a broker would step in and reassign the buyer to another agent....but again, the agent does not benefit."
Lenn writes: A Buyer Representation Agreement, if the consumer agrees to work exclusively with an agent for a period of time and buys a home gives that agent/broker one thing - the right to use legal means to enforce the fee agreement in the BA representation agreement. Even if the agent wants to sue to collect the fee, is the broker going to want to commit the time?? The broker is probably a corporation and would have to be represented by an attorney. The buyer can defend themselves. Of course, the buyer is quite likely to defend on the grounds of abandonment or negligence, etc. on the part of the agent/broker. Judges are notoriously pro-consumer. Attorney retainers are also notoriously expensive. If a broker is with a large corporation, there may be company counsel. What would their advice be. Take a guess.
Agents believe that with an agreement, the buyer will be loyal. HA! Just take a couple of hours before returning a message and they'll find out differently. I do get buyer loyalty! HOW, you ask??? WITH SUPERIOR SERVICES, COMMUNITY KNOWLEDGE AND HARD WORK.
Karent wrote: Along with the lack of enforcement aspect, in the event that the relationship does sour, it only makes the parting more bitter. Typically, if a buyer wants to change agents...they simply move on with some form of excuse. They might even regret this later on if the new agent does not live up to expectations. Either way....they are most likely not going to be negative about the original agent. When the Buyer-Broker Agreement comes into play...they usually feel they need to justify why they want out. A simple case of different styles can then become a contentious or angry confrontation. This naturally leaves a negative taste in the buyer...this is a negative feeling that lingers. Not something we want in our community.
Lenn writes: Right and right. Also, don't forget the primary reason why Exclusive Buyer Representation Agreements rarely work. Unlike a piece of land for sale, improved or unimproved, that buyer can walk/drive/tour by themselves/call for info on yard signs/attend open houses, etc., ALL WITHOUT THE BUYER'S AGENT.
What can a buyer's agent NOT able to do in MD without a signed agency agreement with a buyer - write a contract. Prior to that, disclosure of the agency relationship is required, "Understanding Whom the Real Estate Agents Represent", is disclosure. Buyer representation is presumed. It's not a contract. Virginia is in the process of requiring more disclosure and less presumed agency than in the past. Presumed buyer's agent in Virginia was the normal relationship. I heard counsel for the Virginia Real Estate Board once way, "If you're working with a buyer, you're a buyer's agent".
Would that it was that simple.
"I don't want to sign anything."
"My father told me not to sign anything."
So, the real estate industry, with rinky-dink disclosure/contract requirements succeeded in one thing - driving prospective home buyers to the listing agent where they know they'll be able to see a home for sale without having to sign something.
Lenn: I think I should have let you write this post to begin with. :). I agree 100% with your points, clearly. i think the biggest problem is the way they terminate (if they do). The negativity which must necessarily accompany the written release of an agreement. The point is to protect agents, but I just don't see that it does. Great response and elaboration.
Karen ~ I have loved all the comments and views here. Without an agency agreement, the buyer, here in Colorado, only receives information that they will have to decipher on their own. We do not use or require attorneys in Colorado. The buyer would be on their own. No one looking out for their best interest, no one to give them advice or counsel them. Why would any buyer want to get themselves involved in any transaction for several hundreds of thousand of dollars and figure everything out for themselves?
Colorado was one of the first states with Buyer Brokerage/Buyer Agency. I would have to say that 98% of all buyers here have a buyer broker representing them on the purchase of their home. Dual Agency is not allowed here at all.
Karen, not only my buyer sign the BBA, I also ask upfront for a $250 non-refundable retainer which is credited back to them if I get paid a commission. Yes I have lost clients many times because they won't sign but I think more than likely I have saved myself time by not working with those clients.
Dawn: That's interesting...we do not have to have that agreement for agency here. So the buyer is represented based on agency.
Roseline: I really disagree...we are sales people and sometimes people don't buy, that's just part of the job. But if we know what we are doing, qualifying, we don't need a piece of paper to tell us if they are real or now.
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