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Mold Is Not The Problem - You Must Treat The Source

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

Inspecting a seven-year-old condo a week or so ago, one of the things discovered was mold.  MOLD IS NOT THE PROBLEM - YOU MUST TREAT THE SOURCE.

My clients were not present at the inspection.  They are an investor couple and have employed me many times, sometimes while not attending the inspection.  Their absence requires careful explanation of found items.

From the outside I noticed two things that bothered me before going in.

And they both looked like potential moisture concerns.

This is a swollen door thresh hold.

It is diverting water toward the corner of the door.

On the left there is wood rot and a rusty (probably drywall) screw on the trim.

There is also a vent below.

This was one of two circumstances that lead me to wonder about the inside.

Under this and another door is the garage for the unit I was inspecting.

The homeowner is responsible for the unit.

But the condo association is responsible for anything outside that might cause a problem with a unit!

Inside I found what I expected to find.

Mold in lots of locations.

And right under the problems I wondered about when outside.

But there is more.

Looking at the corner, that is obviously a previous repair.

That is a patch!

The drywall work is different from the rest of the garage.

There is staining on the newer work.

There is mold on the newer work.

WHATEVER WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY TO "REPAIR" THE PROBLEM WAS NOT DONE WELL AND DID NOT REPAIR THE PROBLEM.

And what is the problem?

WATER!  MOLD IS NEVER THE PROBLEM!  WATER IS THE PROBLEM!  MOLD IS MERELY A SYMPTOM OF THE PROBLEM!  THE ASSOCIATION APPARENTLY "REPAIRED" THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM OF MOLD, WITHOUT TREATING THE SOURCE.  YOU MUST TREAT THE SOURCE OR THE MOLD WILL RETURN.

The investors begged off and canceled the contract. 

Nobody was surprised.  The buyer is a doctor.  Does he want to deal with that?

However, the Realtors called to say that a second inspection was desired, that the contract was back on.

The first inspection was incomplete because no utilities were on (!).  The buyers wanted a complete inspection.

However, at the same time a mold remediation company was coming to open the space up and treat the mold.

My question back related to the source and asked about it. 

All that was in process.  Complete evaluation and repairs were planned.

The seller was there, the remediation company came and I completed my inspection.

The seller had been dealing with this for years.  He bought the house and this was an immediate problem for him.  His words were he had "not been taken care of by anybody - not the builder, not the Realtor" and the builder did a "free" home inspection for him! (cough) 

I found out that he bought the unit AFTER the first repairs had been done!  By the builder...  who did the free "inspection." 

As a first-time buyer, this guy got snookered.  By everybody.

Well, in dramatic contrast, my client's Realtors were terrific!  They dealt with the association, and the seller and were not backing off anything.  They spoke very frankly with everyone about what was being done and what needed to be done.  They understood it all completely, and their client, my client, WAS BEING TAKEN CARE OF!

And, if I might add, I was pretty frank too...

I got an email from the Realtor saying the buyer considered all the new information and did again back off.  To me this situation seems a can of worms that would likely be dealt with for a long time.  And it was the association that would have to be dealt with!  That's hard to do as an absentee owner, even with a pit bull property manager.  The seller was having a hard enough time, and he is here!

My recommendation:   remember the title of the post!  MOLD IS NOT THE PROBLEM - YOU MUST TREAT THE SOURCE.  And when dealing with a third party, that is often very, very difficult.

 

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(79)

Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Marshall - like so many things, it is good and bad!  And difficult to control.

Karen - I have taken many a mold class, but I do not claim expert anything regarding it!

Dorte - if the association treats its members like that, it is the members fault for putting up with it.  They need to get together and force some change.

Thanks Charles, and you are invited to stop by any time!

Raymond - here the licensing and insurances are very hard to obtain.  The mold professionals have to be just that.

Mar 18, 2012 05:18 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Derrick Team - nothing else matters.  Continue the water, continue the mold.

Paula - that question is very hard to answer!  I would have to be a fly on the wall to see what they do.  You might want to check inside the wall to see if there is another source for the moisture too.

Sylvie - how often have molds returned after "remediation?" In my world, often.

Mar 18, 2012 05:20 AM
Bill Reddington
Re/max By The Sea - Destin, FL
Destin Florida Real Estate

I agree with everything you said other then it was the Realtors problem. Sorry but I feel I follow up with the best of them. If a builder tells me the problem is fixed and you look at it and it appears to be fixed then I would say it is fixed. I  have had no problem going back to builders 6 months later with an issue that was fixed and had them do it again. Am still not an inspector and I do have inspectors re-inspect . If you take the water source away the mold will stop.

Mar 18, 2012 06:31 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Bill - I don't know what you mean about my saying it was the realtor's problem.  I thought the realtors did a good job.  The seller's problems began long ago and he was not taken care of, for sure.  And you're right, mold cannot survive without moisture!

Mar 18, 2012 06:38 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

Mold is a tough issue.  In this area unless you are a certified mold inspector the word mildew should be used.  If the damage is under 10 SF you are generally OK with a regular contractor.  More than that you need the moon suites (in California and just as a rule of thumb).

Mar 18, 2012 06:50 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Gene - I just say "evidence"of mold, or "evidence of microbial growth."  I am not sure mildew is the same thing.  But still, I simply say it needs to be investigated by a mold professional.

Mar 18, 2012 07:02 AM
Wayne Jackson
Lakeshore Realty 208-714-4109 - Hayden, ID
North Idaho Realtor, Serving Coeur dnullAlene and Hayden Lake

Jay, Great post. I have seen this happen many times and people are just living with it.

Mar 18, 2012 09:51 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I have seen that too Wayne.  But for an investor, they probably don't want to take on a potential ongoing problem and liability.

Mar 18, 2012 09:58 AM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

Hi Jay, I agree, unless you attack the origin of the problem you will not resolve it.

Mar 18, 2012 10:12 AM
Julie Babcock -Nook & Cranny Home Inspections
Nook & Cranny Home Inspections Tonawanda, NY - Tonawanda, NY

Water is the enemy of all things house... unless you cover it up with new drywall, right?  (Eye roll).

Mar 18, 2012 10:25 AM
Randy Ostrander
Lake and Lodge Realty LLC - Big Rapids, MI
Real Estate Broker, Serving Big Rapids and West Central MI

Good evening Jay. Nice of the builder to do a fre inspection of his own work. No conflict of interest there. lol. Good job to you and the Realtors for representing your client and not taking the easy way out. Sounds like it will go on for a while until they "get it"

Mar 18, 2012 11:04 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Glad you do Bob!  I am in good company!

You hit that one right Jules.  I love it when the builder gives an hour's notice that drywall is going up and we can have our pre-drywall inspection any time in the next 60 minutes...

Randy - this is still in process!  The listing agent is mad at me and the buyers love me.  What can I say?

Mar 18, 2012 12:24 PM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Jay - Your post made me think about health care - and all the pills people are taking to treat the symptoms without doing anything to cure the source of the problem.

Mar 18, 2012 04:41 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That's a good analogy Marte!  And we won't get off onto "health" care will we?  Probably best...

Mar 18, 2012 07:29 PM
Ellen Kippel
Weichert Realtors - Suffern, NY
Licensed NY and NJ realtor 914-588-2365

I represented a buyer recently where we had this precise situation, and although I identified a potential problem to the seller's realtor after showing the condo, and it was verified at the home inspection (because I asked the home inspector to notice it - he was ignoring it and I was not happy about that), the deal fell apart.  The seller's realtor acknowledged the issue, and said it would be taken care of and that the mold remediators would be there to remove the walls and spray for mold and the seller would replace the carpet and put in new walls.  When I asked where the source of the water was, she had no idea and felt that was irrelevant because the problem had been solved.  I spent a great deal of time talking to neighbors who lived above this unit.  One had the same problem and the other didn't.  Eventually, the source was identified as water coming in from an air-conditioner intake on the top floor of the building, during storms.  By the time I found all of this out, my buyer walked.  She couldn't bear not knowing where the source was and I couldn't bear it either and since no one would say the source of the problem would be found and would be taken care of, my buyer was "out of there"!  PS. The listing went off the market and has not been seen since!

Mar 19, 2012 12:11 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Ellen - you went to a lot of trouble to find out what the condo association should have known well before!  Good work on your part and your buyer's decision was probably the best one!

Mar 19, 2012 12:22 AM
Jim Miner
Miner Noh & Associates - Phoenix, AZ
Loan Modfication & Short Sale Specialist

Very good blog.

Mar 19, 2012 01:07 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Jim!  It's colder today where you are than where I am!  What a switch!

Mar 19, 2012 01:12 AM
Patricia Beck
RE/MAX Properties, Inc., ABR, GRI, SRES - Colorado Springs, CO
Colorado Springs Realty

Great reminder, the problem runs deeper than what the eye can see...the mold is resulting from water somewhere, take the water away and the mold issue should stop.

Mar 19, 2012 08:38 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Yes, Patricia, but the amount of mold and the associated damage is still relevant too.

Mar 19, 2012 07:48 PM